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[ROG]

thanks so much - that puts my mind at rest as this person was determined I should not be towing with the CRV!

Ask that person to show you the law or rule that backs uo what they are saying = they will not find one !

If they say because it has the POTENTIAL to exceed the towing capacity then tell them this ..... in a 30 limit my car has the POTENTIAL to do 70+

 

[EmmaLou]

2140 is the max weight the vehicle can weigh = GVW

2140 + 1300 = 3440 so under the max 3500 for B licence towing

If Derby at 675 empty then max load for trailer = 625
If HB403 at 770 empty then max load for trailer = 530

Hi Rog,
I have just seen your comment regarding the Internet myth which I believed to be true hence why I would be having the trailer down plated to stay under the 3500 on my B licence. Bateson website are using this as a selling point for holders of a B licence. The Bateson Derby gross weight is 1700kg, unladen 675kg. My car kerb weight is 1600kg, 2140 GVW and 2000kg towing limit.
Because of this myth I thought I would need the trailers gross weight to be changed to 1300 to be legal. Unless it's different for B licence

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog,
I have just seen your comment regarding the Internet myth which I believed to be true hence why I would be having the trailer down plated to stay under the 3500 on my B licence. Bateson website are using this as a selling point for holders of a B licence. The Bateson Derby gross weight is 1700kg, unladen 675kg. My car kerb weight is 1600kg, 2140 GVW and 2000kg towing limit.
Because of this myth I thought I would need the trailers gross weight to be changed to 1300 to be legal. Unless it's different for B licence

For a B licence the max plate for the trailer would be 1360 with a 2140 GVW vehicle

This made up example would also be legal for B licence towing -

Vehicle GVW 1900
Max vehicle tow limit 1500

Trailer plated MAM 1600
Trailer empty 800

Max load for trailer = 700 (1500-800=700)

As you can see from this LEGAL made up example the plated MAM of the trailer is 100 more than the vehicle tow capacity but still conforms to the B licence towing max of 3500 (1900+1600=3500)

 

[EmmaLou]

For a B licence the max plate for the trailer would be 1360 with a 2140 GVW vehicle

This made up example would also be legal for B licence towing -

Vehicle GVW 1900
Max vehicle tow limit 1500

Trailer plated MAM 1600
Trailer empty 800

Max load for trailer = 700 (1500-800=700)

As you can see from this LEGAL made up example the plated MAM of the trailer is 100 more than the vehicle tow capacity but still conforms to the B licence towing max of 3500 (1900+1600=3500)

OK so the down plating to stay within 3500 max combined weight ( not towing ability) only applies to stay within your licence limitations. Is the myth bit about it applying to the vehicle capabilities where as it only applies to the licence?

 

[ROG]

OK so the down plating to stay within 3500 max combined weight ( not towing ability) only applies to B licence holders. Is the myth bit about it applying to everyone?

The myth usually refers to a B+E set up where trailer MAMs can be higher than B licence set ups

 

[spookypony]

Brilliant, thanks so much for all the clarifications. Am towing a 505 with one small horse (total trailer + horse weight about 1350) with an Outlander; should be well within capacity, but it does feel wimpy. The thing is an LPG conversion, so I've been told that this will downgrade power when running on LPG; perhaps should get into habit of towing on petrol only. Wouldn't dream of trying 2 horses in there, and am cautious about taking it along difficult/long routes at the moment, which might be a problem once endurance season starts. I miss my Pajero!

 

[roz84]

Hi ROG am hoping you can confirm that this would be ok with a downplated trailer? Thanks!!


1 -B license- to tow ONE mare weighing no more than 500kg
2 - 1655
3 - Not sure!! 2008 mitsubishi outlander 2.0 di-d....
4 - 2000
5 - 1700
6 - 675 (bateson derby!!)

 

[ROG]

Hi ROG am hoping you can confirm that this would be ok with a downplated trailer? Thanks!!


1 -B license- to tow ONE mare weighing no more than 500kg
2 - 1655
3 - Not sure!! 2008 mitsubishi outlander 2.0 di-d....
4 - 2000
5 - 1700
6 - 675 (bateson derby!!)

Need to know GWV of car - that is the top figure of the 4 listed on the weight plate usually hidden under the bonnet or in a door frame OR if you have the V5 keepers form handy then it is the MAX PERMISIBLE WEIGHT number

 

[roz84]

I think that is 2360 🙂

 

[ROG]

I think that is 2360 ��

If it is GVW 2360 then the max plated weight (MAM) for a trailer under B licence rules is 1140

At MAM 1140 with an empty weight of 675 leaves a max load for the trailer of 465kg

Solution - you need a vehicle with a lower GVW

 

[roz84]

If I took the trailer test would the above combination then be legal? I find it all so confusing, however I think I have set my heart on this car!

 

[ROG]

If I took the trailer test would the above combination then be legal? I find it all so confusing, however I think I have set my heart on this car!

Legal with B+E

Towing limit 2000
Trailer MAM 1700
Trailer empty 675
Max trailer load 1025

 

[Durhamchance]

1 - B+E
2 - 1940kg
3 - 2475kg
4 - 1700kg
5- 2340kg
6 - 905kg

I think those figures are correct, we have a 2012 Vauxhall insignia 2.0d eco Nav 178bhp sports tourer and want to tow a IW505

 

[ROG]

1 - B+E
2 - 1940kg
3 - 2475kg
4 - 1700kg
5- 2340kg
6 - 905kg

I think those figures are correct, we have a 2012 Vauxhall insignia 2.0d eco Nav 178bhp sports tourer and want to tow a IW505

Max load for trailer = 795kg

 

[Durhamchance]

Does that mean we can carry a 500kg horse plus 295kg in equipment? (Theoretically)

Thanks for the quick reply, I was getting horribly confused!

 

[ROG]

Does that mean we can carry a 500kg horse plus 295kg in equipment?

YES

 

[Durhamchance]

YES

Thank you ��

 

[Arch99ck]

Hiya,

i'm in the middle of trying to buy a new towing car so wanted your advice. I can take my B+E but I'm very confused as not sure if this car can even pull the weight required. The garage says it can as goes on nose weight but i'm not so sure. Any info would be great!

Looking at Jeep Renegade 1.6 multi jet II diesel brand new, so hope I've done the calculations right

1 B
2 - Kerb weight 1404kg
3 - GVW - 1905kg
4 - towing capacity of the towing vehicle 1200kg
5 - 1400kg down graded (HB403)
6 - 767 kg plus 1 horse at around 500kg

your wisdom would be gratefully received as going to see the dealership again today.

Thank you!!

 

[ROG]

Hiya,

i'm in the middle of trying to buy a new towing car so wanted your advice. I can take my B+E but I'm very confused as not sure if this car can even pull the weight required. The garage says it can as goes on nose weight but i'm not so sure. Any info would be great!

Looking at Jeep Renegade 1.6 multi jet II diesel brand new, so hope I've done the calculations right

1 B
2 - Kerb weight 1404kg
3 - GVW - 1905kg
4 - towing capacity of the towing vehicle 1200kg
5 - 1400kg down graded (HB403)
6 - 767 kg plus 1 horse at around 500kg

your wisdom would be gratefully received as going to see the dealership again today.

Thank you!!

Legally on a B licence that is ok
At 767+500= 1267 so over the vehicle towing max = NOT ok on any licence

The only trailer I can think of which would just work with those numbers is a Bateson Derby at 675 empty and plated at a max of 1595 which would be 675+500=1175 so just inside the 1200 tow max

 

[Arch99ck]

Legally on a B licence that is ok
At 767+500= 1267 so over the vehicle towing max = NOT ok on any licence

The only trailer I can think of which would just work with those numbers is a Bateson Derby at 675 empty and plated at a max of 1595 which would be 675+500=1175 so just inside the 1200 tow max

That's what I thought!!! so glad i double checked!
thank you for this. looks like it would be better going for the 2.0 litre with 1500kg max towing weight and kerb weight of 1502kg would this still be ok on B licence?

GVW 2,010kg

 

[ROG]

That's what I thought!!! so glad i double checked!
thank you for this. looks like it would be better going for the 2.0 litre with 1500kg max towing weight and kerb weight of 1502kg would this still be ok on B licence?

GVW 2,010kg

What is the GVW of that model ?

 

[Arch99ck]

GVW 2,010kg

 

[ROG]

GVW 2,010kg

1500 max tow
trailer 767 empty
trailer MAM 1400

3410 total so ok for B licence
Max load for trailer = 633

 

[The Hound]

1 - B (but looking into taking B+E test)
2 - 1715kg
3 - 2140kg
4 - 2000kg
5 - 1905kg
6 - 905kg

Should be correct weights for a Rav4 2.2 D-4D, haven't bought the car yet but hoping to look at it again this week if this combination works!

 

[ROG]

1 - B (but looking into taking B+E test)
2 - 1715kg
3 - 2140kg
4 - 2000kg
5 - 1905kg
6 - 905kg

Should be correct weights for a Rav4 2.2 D-4D, haven't bought the car yet but hoping to look at it again this week if this combination works!

Total MAM for licencing is 4045 so above the 3500 B towing limit

With B+E the max load for the trailer is 1000

If down plating to 1360 for B towing that would only leave max load for the trailer of 455

 

[Rides]

Hi @ROG & all!

Interesting conversation just now with a trailer retailer.. before anyone says it, i've already emailed VOSA myself for confirmation but wondered if anyone on here knows-


He advised me that the rule applying to post '97 licenses is now that the ACTUAL weight must not exceed 3500kg. Not the plated MAM/GVW. Other rules i.e. car: trailer weight ratios still apply. Anyone shed any light?

 

[ROG]

Hi @ROG & all!

Interesting conversation just now with a trailer retailer.. before anyone says it, i've already emailed VOSA myself for confirmation but wondered if anyone on here knows-


He advised me that the rule applying to post '97 licenses is now that the ACTUAL weight must not exceed 3500kg. Not the plated MAM/GVW. Other rules i.e. car: trailer weight ratios still apply. Anyone shed any light?

Dopey retailer who does not know the law

Please post who the retailer is so that I can contact them to avert them getting other drivers into legal trouble

 

[SuperCat007]

1: B
2: 1430 kg
3: 2600 kg
4:2000 kg capacity
5: Not sure HB505/6 so 1905 kg?
6: 920 kg

Downplate trailer to at least 1900 to tow on a B licence?

Thank you.

 

[ROG]

1: B
2: 1430 kg
3: 2600 kg
4:2000 kg capacity
5: Not sure HB505/6 so 1905 kg?
6: 920 kg

Downplate trailer to at least 1900 to tow on a B licence?

Thank you.

Is number 3 (GVW) correct ?

 

[SuperCat007]

Apologies, no. I'm struggling to find that. It's a 2015 VW Passat though