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[ROG]

Not a horse trailer towing question exactly and probably a fairly stupid question, but I have literally no idea about towing!

I've got a horse and carriage that I need to transport. Can I tow one of these on a B licence?

http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/117029686/trailer.html?link=/classifieds/trailers?page=4

I cant seem to find out the weight of them anywhere, the carriage would be 250kgs at the most. Would a standard sort of estate car pull that?

If I was to eventually get a 3.5ton horsebox could I tow it with that? I assume that would need a trailer test?

EDITED to say I think the weight of that size trailer should be about 200kgs

That to me looks like an un-braked trailer so the max for trailer with its load will be 750kg
That assumption being correct then it can be towed on a B licence as long as the vehicle has an empty weight of at least 1500kg

Check handbook or V5 keepers doc under mass in service figure to check the 1500

 

[Leo Walker]

It doesnt have to be that one. I just need something to put the carriage in, so I could look specifically for an unbraked one if that keeps me within the limits.

Now to look for a car with a mass of 1500kg max that doesnt cost the earth to run.

Thanks for your help, its much appreciated.

 

[ROG]

It doesnt have to be that one. I just need something to put the carriage in, so I could look specifically for an unbraked one if that keeps me within the limits.

Now to look for a car with a mass of 1500kg max that doesnt cost the earth to run.

Thanks for your help, its much appreciated.

If you get a trailer with a plated MAM over 750kg then the B licence towing law applies which is - the plated GVW of the vehicle added to the trailer plated MAM must not total more than 3500kg

 

[ester]

ROG.. several people have just said elsewhere that having to downplate a trailer is a myth, any thoughts on that please?

 

[ROG]

ROG.. several people have just said elsewhere that having to downplate a trailer is a myth, any thoughts on that please?

CORRECT = IT IS A MYTH for those with B+E licences but not for those with B licences who need to conform to the max MAM 3500 law

 

[SatNagNoo]

Hi I was wondering if you could tell me if my friend and I would be ok with a trailer and car combo? We're considering selling our 3.5t lorry for a trailer.

She's having a seat leon estate - minimum kerbweight 1251, maximum towing weight braked 1800, gross vehicle weight 1890.
We're looking into the bateson deaville at 860kg or Cheval Liberte One at 750kg. And our cob is 420kg. We're old and took our tests pre 1997

 

[ROG]

Hi I was wondering if you could tell me if my friend and I would be ok with a trailer and car combo? We're considering selling our 3.5t lorry for a trailer.

She's having a seat leon estate - minimum kerbweight 1251, maximum towing weight braked 1800, gross vehicle weight 1890.
We're looking into the bateson deaville at 860kg or Cheval Liberte One at 750kg. And our cob is 420kg. We're old and took our tests pre 1997

B+E licence = ok
1800 is the max actual towing weight and 860 + 420 = 1280 so well within the 1800 limit

 

[SatNagNoo]

Thank you so much. We are only half an hour from Leicester, if we get a trailer, could we possibly arrange for you to come over a give us a lesson please

 

[ROG]

Thank you so much. We are only half an hour from Leicester, if we get a trailer, could we possibly arrange for you to come over a give us a lesson please

Certainly - be happy to do so with my expenses (if any) covered

 

[sandyjayne]

Hi Rog,

Hope I get this right!

1-BE
2-1977
3- 2600
4- 2500
5- 2600
6- 1000

Only passed my B+E test yesterday and am trailer hunting but firstly need to know the legal bit! It is very confusing - Thanks in advance

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog,

Hope I get this right!

1-BE
2-1977
3- 2600
4- 2500
5- 2600
6- 1000

Only passed my B+E test yesterday and am trailer hunting but firstly need to know the legal bit! It is very confusing - Thanks in advance

Firstly this =

With a towing capacity of 2500 and an empty trailer weight of 1000 means you can legally load 1500 into the trailer which will still be within 100 of the trailer 2600 MAM limit so legal under B+E rules

 

[sandyjayne]

Excellent thank you so much! I was 90% certain I had it all figured out but still had an element of doubt! Time to invest in a towbar now! Thanks again

 

[harleyboy]

Hi

Looking for some advise on what suitable car will be able to tow I have BE licence

Ifor 506 - unladen weight 950

2 x Horses weight 1100kg

I am thinking anything that would tow 2500kg

Please correct me if I am wrong

I am looking at possibly Kia Sorrento?

Thanks

 

[ROG]

Hi

Looking for some advise on what suitable car will be able to tow I have BE licence

Ifor 506 - unladen weight 950

2 x Horses weight 1100kg

I am thinking anything that would tow 2500kg

Please correct me if I am wrong

I am looking at possibly Kia Sorrento?

Thanks

2200 towing capacity should suffice

So many types of towcar that it will probably come down to what you personally like and what you can afford

 

[harleyboy]

Thsts great, thank you

 

[spugs]

I have a Nissan x trail SVE DCI
Tow weight 2000kg
Max permissible mass 2050
An ifor 505 and a 500kg pony

Can I down plate my trailer so I can tow legally with out doing the tow test?

Thanks

 

[ROG]

I have a Nissan x trail SVE DCI
Tow weight 2000kg
Max permissible mass 2050
An ifor 505 and a 500kg pony

Can I down plate my trailer so I can tow legally with out doing the tow test?

Thanks

HB505 is 905 empty
Pony is 500
Total weight to be towed = 1405

Down plate trailer to 1450 leaves 45 spare so YES it can be done

IW will probably charge you about £50 - you call them - you remove weight plate - you send them plate with money - they send you new plate - you fit new plate

 

[Cherylx]

I need serious help as I cannot get my head round the weight thing!

If I have a Nissan xtrail... can I tow my single 500kg horse in a ifor 505 or ifor 510?

I intend to buy trailer now anyway. I also intend to do my test next year but I wonder if getting a 505 meaning I can tow now.

Please help. 😊

 

[ROG]

I need serious help as I cannot get my head round the weight thing!

If I have a Nissan xtrail... can I tow my single 500kg horse in a ifor 505 or ifor 510?

I intend to buy trailer now anyway. I also intend to do my test next year but I wonder if getting a 505 meaning I can tow now.

Please help. ��

What is the GVW of the Xtrail ?
GVW is the top of the 4 figures on the weight plate usually hidden under the bonnet or in a door frame - it is also the max permissible mass listed on the DVLA V5 keepers doc

ASSUMING the GVW is 2050 then the HB 505 would need to be down plated from 2340 to 1450 and as it weighs 905 empty that will leave a max trailer load of 545
The HB510 would need down plating from 2584 to 1450 but as it weighs 1000 empty that only leaves 450 for the trailer load so not enough for a 500 horse

Down plating would need a call to the manufacturer (IW) and then this is the procedure
You remove the plate
You send plate with fee (about £50) to IW
IW send you new plate
You fit new plate

B licence towing law - the plated GVW of the vehicle added to the plated weight of the trailer (MAM) must not total more than 3500kg

 

[taylor301709]

ive got a ford kuga 17 plate
looking to get a ifor Williams 403
im on a B license
im unsure of the weights but I know my car can tow 1800kg and its unladen weight is 2100, so can I tow a single trailer that's been down plated with a horse that weighs 550kg without taking a test?

 

[ROG]

ive got a ford kuga 17 plate
looking to get a ifor Williams 403
im on a B license
im unsure of the weights but I know my car can tow 1800kg and its unladen weight is 2100, so can I tow a single trailer that's been down plated with a horse that weighs 550kg without taking a test?

GVW not unladen is about 2100 but depends which of these models you have = https://www.carleasingmadesimple.com/data/ford/kuga/gross-vehicle-weight/ ???

IF the model you choose in that list has a GVW of 2100 then the HB403 can be down plated to 1400 from 1600 for about £50 via contact with IW

At 1400 the HB 403 can be loaded with a max of 633kg as it is 767 empty

 

[taylor301709]

GVW not unladen is about 2100 but depends which of these models you have = https://www.carleasingmadesimple.com/data/ford/kuga/gross-vehicle-weight/ ???

IF the model you choose in that list has a GVW of 2100 then the HB403 can be down plated to 1400 from 1600 for about £50 via contact with IW

At 1400 the HB 403 can be loaded with a max of 633kg as it is 767 empty

thank you, I have the basic model one the zetec, I used to pull a rice Europa but have now stopped as I don't think I can under my b license, im unsure of the weighs of my rice box.
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[ROG]

thank you, I have the basic model one the zetec, I used to pull a rice Europa but have now stopped as I don't think I can under my b license, im unsure of the weighs of my rice box.
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Most Rice trailers have lost their weight plates so the MAM of the trailer is deemed to be the total of the tyre load ratings = see post number 3000 of this thread for more info

Which EXACT model is it in that link ?

 

[taylor301709]

Most Rice trailers have lost their weight plates so the MAM of the trailer is deemed to be the total of the tyre load ratings = see post number 3000 of this thread for more info

Which EXACT model is it in that link ?

Thank you, ill have a look and find out the MAM of my rice
https://www.carleasingmadesimple.com/car-leasing/ford/kuga-estate/76264/ << this is my car

 

[ROG]

Thank you, ill have a look and find out the MAM of my rice
https://www.carleasingmadesimple.com/car-leasing/ford/kuga-estate/76264/ << this is my car

Thanks - I was concerned that it might have been a model with only a 1300 max tow capacity but that one is ok

 

[taylor301709]

Thanks - I was concerned that it might have been a model with only a 1300 max tow capacity but that one is ok

thanks, could I tow a 505 with my car on a B license?

 

[ROG]

thanks, could I tow a 505 with my car on a B license?

Only by down plating it to 1400 but as it weighs 905 empty that leaves 495 max for its load

Assuming this is with a GVW 2100 car

 

[taylor301709]

Only by down plating it to 1400 but as it weighs 905 empty that leaves 495 max for its load

Assuming this is with a GVW 2100 car

sorry for all the questions? what other trailers could I possibly look at what would have enough to carry a 550kg horse? on my B license

 

[ROG]

sorry for all the questions? what other trailers could I possibly look at what would have enough to carry a 550kg horse? on my B license

Bateson Derby
Cheval liberte 1003xl

 

[Fourtoomany]

I&#8217;ve followed, contributed, searched and referenced this thread over the years and I just thought I&#8217;d pop by today to say WOOOHOOO as I&#8217;ve just passed my test today with 2 minors.

No it wasn&#8217;t cheap, and you get out what you put in...but no more worrying or grey areas for me as it&#8217;s now all legal. Thank goodness! Definitely worth doing it, as trying to work it all &#8220;legally&#8221; is just so limiting. Go for it!