Seasick
New User
Thank you Rog for quick response! I was hoping you might have some comments on the nose weight/tow ball weight issue?
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ROG
Well-Known Member
Not my field
Seasick
New User
OK thanks.
lchloer
New User
Afternoon Rog
Would the below be legal - Mercedes-Benz C Class 2.1 C220 which is a salon. Thanks
1. B
2. 1485KG
3. 2055Kg
4. 1600KG
5. 1600KG - Cheval Libete Tourer single
6. 750KG
Would the below be legal - Mercedes-Benz C Class 2.1 C220 which is a salon. Thanks
1. B
2. 1485KG
3. 2055Kg
4. 1600KG
5. 1600KG - Cheval Libete Tourer single
6. 750KG
ROG
Well-Known Member
NOT LEGAL at the moment but easily fixed.....
Trailer needs to be down plated to 1400 (or anything less than 1445) leaving a max trailer load of 650
Contact Cheval to start the process which usually means you removing the current plate then sending that plate with a smallish payment to Cheval where they then send you the new plate for you to fix on
you need drill and pop rivet gun
Gypley
Well-Known Member
Hi ROG,
I have a question that I feel may be daft, but I’m going to ask anyway.
Do I need to take in to account the weight of the load in the car when working out what I can tow?
So if I transport tack in the car, rather than the trailer it would give me slightly more payload in the trailer? So long as I’m not overloading the car itself.
I’ve probably not explained myself very well, but hope you catch my drift!
I have a question that I feel may be daft, but I’m going to ask anyway.
Do I need to take in to account the weight of the load in the car when working out what I can tow?
So if I transport tack in the car, rather than the trailer it would give me slightly more payload in the trailer? So long as I’m not overloading the car itself.
I’ve probably not explained myself very well, but hope you catch my drift!
ROG
Well-Known Member
The car and the trailer each have their own separate weight limits and is it not daft to ask that
There is also a total combined weight limit
lchloer
New User
Thanks Rog much appreciated can you done plate the trailer to 1300KG so you could tow with the following combination - Only looking to tow a 400kg pony
1. B
2. 1625KG
3. 2155Kg
4. 1600KG
5. 1600KG - Cheval Libete Tourer single
6. 750KG
1. B
2. 1625KG
3. 2155Kg
4. 1600KG
5. 1600KG - Cheval Libete Tourer single
6. 750KG
ROG
Well-Known Member
Yes you can
Trailer needs to be down plated to 1300 (or anything less than 1345) leaving a max trailer load of 550 at 1300
Contact Cheval to start the process which usually means you removing the current plate then sending that plate with a smallish payment to Cheval where they then send you the new plate for you to fix on
you need drill and pop rivet gun
harleyboy
New User
B+E Licence
Ifor HB506 unladen 920
2horses & hay water 1160
Total = 2080
Would a vw Tiguan that can tow 2500 be ok for this?
Ifor HB506 unladen 920
2horses & hay water 1160
Total = 2080
Would a vw Tiguan that can tow 2500 be ok for this?
ROG
Well-Known Member
yes
pinkypug1
Well-Known Member
Hi I need a simple answer to a towing question!
I passed my test in 1997 so only have B licence
I have 3 cars in the family so need to know if any would be legal without doing b+E test
Can I tow a 510kg horse in an ifor 506 with a 2011 Kia shortage 3 1.7?
Can I tow same horse/trailer combo with 2015 Range Rover sport
Can I tow with 2015 Audi A4 estate 2.0
Is only for short distance up to 20 miles 4/5 times a year
I passed my test in 1997 so only have B licence
I have 3 cars in the family so need to know if any would be legal without doing b+E test
Can I tow a 510kg horse in an ifor 506 with a 2011 Kia shortage 3 1.7?
Can I tow same horse/trailer combo with 2015 Range Rover sport
Can I tow with 2015 Audi A4 estate 2.0
Is only for short distance up to 20 miles 4/5 times a year
pinkypug1
Well-Known Member
Sorry I meant to write 1998
ROG
Well-Known Member
I need the GVW for each of the vehicles
GVW is the top of the four numbers on the weight plates usually hidden in a door frame or under the bonnet
GVW or max permissible mass is listed on each of the V5 keeper docs
pinkypug1
Well-Known Member
ROG
Well-Known Member
Look to be ok
HB510 is 2600kg MAM and 920kg empty
Horse is 510kg
Contact IW and down plate from 2600 to 1500 leaving 580 for the trailer load
You can then tow that with the Kia or Audi on a B licence proving the max towing capacity of those is at least 1430kg
pinkypug1
Well-Known Member
Many thanks for that. Its the 505 I have so maybe lighter again than the 510. Both the Kia and Audi can tow more than 1430 so looks like Ill be good to tow
ROG
Well-Known Member
Many thanks for that. It’s the 505 I have so maybe lighter again than the 510. Both the Kia and Audi can tow more than 1430 so looks like I’ll be good to tow
HB505 = 2340kg and 905 empty
Down plating to 1500 goes like this ....
You call IW
You remove weight plate
You send weight plate and about £50 to IW
IW send you new weight plate
You fit new weight plate
Needs drill and pop rivet gun
Nicola89
New User
Hi, i Am hoping someone can help! my cars towing capacity is 1800kg, the trailer weighs 767kg unladen and max gross weight is 1600kg. As its under 3.5 can I tow it with out a trailer licence? Also if a trailer max gross is say 2300kg but the actual trailer with horse weighs less than my cars towing capacity of 1800kg is my car legal to tow once I have a license?thanks
ROG
Well-Known Member
No law or rule which states that a trailer plated MAM cannot exceed a vehicles max towing capacity
Example that is legal -
Tow capacity 1500
Trailer MAM 2000
Trailer empty 800
Max load for trailer 700
What is the GVW of your car ? - need that to answer any Qs for B licence towing
Nicola89
New User
Its 2200
ROG
Well-Known Member
GVW 2200 = thanks
2200 + 1600 = 3800 so 300 over the 3500 B licence towing limit
GOOD NEWS = you can contact IW and have the trailer down plated from 1600 to 1300 which mean the max load you can put in the trailer is 533kg so I hope you do not have a horse too heavy
How down plating goes =
You call IW with all the trailer info
You remove weight plate and send it to IW with about £50
IW send you new plate
You fit new plate
Needs drill and pop rivet gun - most mechanics have them if you need that option
Gypley
Well-Known Member
Looking to take my trailer test soon once new car arrives.
Just wondering if anyone knows if I can use my reversing camera to hitch the trailer in the test?
Assuming it will be a no as its cheating but worth a try, right?!
Just wondering if anyone knows if I can use my reversing camera to hitch the trailer in the test?
Assuming it will be a no as its cheating but worth a try, right?!
ROG
Well-Known Member
Yes you can use it for the test
rsm100
New User
Hi Rog.
Been looking to pull my partners horse, but Ive searched all of yesterday, think Im going cross eyed.
Anyways, with a limited budge 4K on the vehicle, the trailer its self we dont even know what to look for and may only have 2k ish(might save a bit more if needed).
So I have a B lisence, I have picked a vehicle yet, as I thought I just needed a jeep that could tow a good weight, with research its not so much just that! Im totally confused with weights and what to be looking for!
So is there any vehicle & horse box you could recommend? Our horse is about 600kg.
I had looked at a Mitsubishi Outlander 2l 07 but prob to heavy and put me over my 3.5t.
Any help or recommendations is valued as gold to me.
Many Thanks
Robert.(sorry if this doesnt make much sense or is limited on info)
Been looking to pull my partners horse, but Ive searched all of yesterday, think Im going cross eyed.
Anyways, with a limited budge 4K on the vehicle, the trailer its self we dont even know what to look for and may only have 2k ish(might save a bit more if needed).
So I have a B lisence, I have picked a vehicle yet, as I thought I just needed a jeep that could tow a good weight, with research its not so much just that! Im totally confused with weights and what to be looking for!
So is there any vehicle & horse box you could recommend? Our horse is about 600kg.
I had looked at a Mitsubishi Outlander 2l 07 but prob to heavy and put me over my 3.5t.
Any help or recommendations is valued as gold to me.
Many Thanks
Robert.(sorry if this doesnt make much sense or is limited on info)
ROG
Well-Known Member
For B licence towing you need to keep within the 3500 limit which is made up of the vehicle GVW added to the trailer plated MAM
Trailers can have their plated MAM reduced by contacting the manufacturer - cost is usually under £50
A lot depends on what type of surface you need to tow on because if only hard solid ground then a normal car will suffice
Example -
Skoda Octavia (4x4 maybe) which has a GVW of say 2100 with a Bateson Derby trailer at 675 empty where the MAM has been down plated from 1700 to 1400 leaving a max trailer load of 725
rsm100
New User
Well I had looked at something like that but Id be a bit scared if we got stuck on grass ha ha. What happens if I find the perfect jeep + trainer... what about like tack and hay and humans? Does this effect the weights?
ROG
Well-Known Member
What goes in the vehicle comes under the vehicle GVW and what goes in the trailer comes under the trailer MAM
What is the GVW and towing capacity of the jeep you are looking at ??
What trailer are you considering ?
rsm100
New User
Im looking at
Mitsubishi Outlander 2.0 Di-D 2007 kerb 1609 towing 2200
Unsure of a trailer. Need something obviously light weight and can take a 162.
Its mostly for going to the odd riding lesson and horse show.
ROG
Well-Known Member
Need the GVW figure but I think it is likely to be about 2300 so too much