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[SWE]

Hi ROG

Buying a new 4x4 and have 3 options at the moment, just wondering if you could tell me if the setups are all legal? Horse is about 500kg and if I can't put another in it's not the end of the world at all.

Option 1 (H,T)

1 - B+E
2 - 1490 = unladen/empty weight
3 - 2050 = fully loaded weight
4 - 2000= max towing weight
5 - 2340 = max trailer weight when loaded
6 - 905 = trailer weight when empty

Option 2 (M,SS)

1 - B+E
2 - 1915 = unladen/empty weight
3 - 2710 = fully loaded weight
4 - 2800 = max towing weight
5 - 2340 = max trailer weight when loaded
6 - 905 = trailer weight when empty

Option 3 (J,C)

1 - B+E
2 - 2031 = unladen/empty weight
3 - cant find anywhere for the life of me!! = fully loaded weight
4 - 3500 = max towing weight
5 - 2340 = max trailer weight when loaded
6 - 905 = trailer weight when empty

Thanks so much for keeping up with this thread and sharing your knowledge - much appreciated!!

 

[ROG]

Hi ROG

Buying a new 4x4 and have 3 options at the moment, just wondering if you could tell me if the setups are all legal? Horse is about 500kg and if I can't put another in it's not the end of the world at all.

Option 1 (H,T)

1 - B+E
2 - 1490 = unladen/empty weight
3 - 2050 = fully loaded weight
4 - 2000= max towing weight
5 - 2340 = max trailer weight when loaded
6 - 905 = trailer weight when empty

Option 2 (M,SS)

1 - B+E
2 - 1915 = unladen/empty weight
3 - 2710 = fully loaded weight
4 - 2800 = max towing weight
5 - 2340 = max trailer weight when loaded
6 - 905 = trailer weight when empty

Option 3 (J,C)

1 - B+E
2 - 2031 = unladen/empty weight
3 - cant find anywhere for the life of me!! = fully loaded weight
4 - 3500 = max towing weight
5 - 2340 = max trailer weight when loaded
6 - 905 = trailer weight when empty

Thanks so much for keeping up with this thread and sharing your knowledge - much appreciated!!

Option 1 = max trailer load 1095
Option 2 = max trailer load 1435
Option 3 = max trailer load 1435

 

[Moomin499ck]

1. B
2. 1765kg (this is kerbweight/unladen right?)
3. 4188kg (not too sure about this hard to find this info on the internet)
4. 2100kg (Capacity)
5. 1905kg (HB505)
6. 905kg

Think I have this right. Its a friends car which is the Ford Kuga 2.0 5 door titanium 2010 model.

 

[ROG]

1. B
2. 1765kg (this is kerbweight/unladen right?)
3. 4188kg (not too sure about this hard to find this info on the internet)
4. 2100kg (Capacity)
5. 1905kg (HB505)
6. 905kg

Think I have this right. Its a friends car which is the Ford Kuga 2.0 5 door titanium 2010 model.

More likely to be about 2100 for number 3

If number 3 is 2100 then the trailer would need down plating via contact with IW to 1400 which would leave a max trailer load of 495kg

If number 3 is 2200 then the trailer would need down plating via contact with IW to 1300 which would leave a max trailer load of 395kg

 

[bluetrees]

1) B
2) 1612
3) 2100
4) 1500
5) 2600
6) 865

I would only be towing a small pony

Thank you

 

[ROG]

1) B
2) 1612
3) 2100
4) 1500
5) 2600
6) 865

I would only be towing a small pony

Thank you

GVW is 2100 so the max MAM for a trailer on a B licence is 1400 so 2600 is 1200 too much but if you can get it down plated by the trailer manufacturer to 1400 then that will leave a max of 535 for the trailer load

 

[little_critter]

Hi Rog, quick question. Can I tow an IW 505 with a Hyundai Tuscon 55 plate CRTD CDX (auto)?
Sorry - I forgot my licence details - I'm old enough to not have needed to take a trailer test...so whatever licence that is (sorry!)

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog, quick question. Can I tow an IW 505 with a Hyundai Tuscon 55 plate CRTD CDX (auto)?
Sorry - I forgot my licence details - I'm old enough to not have needed to take a trailer test...so whatever licence that is (sorry!)

On the V5 keepers doc what does it say the max braked towing limit is?
OR
What are the top two numbers on the weight plate ?

 

[little_critter]

On the V5 keepers doc what does it say the max braked towing limit is?
OR
What are the top two numbers on the weight plate ?

I'll have to go rummage and get back to you...thanks.

 

[little_critter]

On the V5 keepers doc what does it say the max braked towing limit is?
OR
What are the top two numbers on the weight plate ?

Hmmm - OH has just had a look on the V5 and they're not stated. Will have to find the weight plate.

 

[ROG]

Hmmm - OH has just had a look on the V5 and they're not stated. Will have to find the weight plate.

Usually hidden in a door frame or under the bonnet
Top 2 of the 4 listed numbers please

 

[little_critter]

Usually hidden in a door frame or under the bonnet
Top 2 of the 4 listed numbers please

Found it (I hope). Black sticker with some long numbers on it then:
2210kg
3810kg
1170kg
1200kg

 

[ROG]

Found it (I hope). Black sticker with some long numbers on it then:
2210kg
3810kg
1170kg
1200kg

3810-2210=1600 so 1600 is the max towing capacity
IW HB505 weighs 1000 empty so you can load it with a max of 600 on a B+E licence

 

[little_critter]

3810-2210=1600 so 1600 is the max towing capacity
IW HB505 weighs 1000 empty so you can load it with a max of 600 on a B+E licence

Fab, thanks Rog. Horse weighs 550kg (absolute max) so sounds like we are ok.

 

[TwixMum]

Can anyone let me know what towing capacity I would need or suggest cars that are suitable.

I have a b + e license. And an ifor 511 and one horse that weighs 560kg. I only ever tow one horse.

I’m confused if I need a car to tow 2.7 tonnes even though I don’t ever reach that weight or if it is the actual weight

 

[ROG]

Can anyone let me know what towing capacity I would need or suggest cars that are suitable.

I have a b + e license. And an ifor 511 and one horse that weighs 560kg. I only ever tow one horse.

I’m confused if I need a car to tow 2.7 tonnes even though I don’t ever reach that weight or if it is the actual weight

HB511 is 1000 empty
Horse is 560
Total is 1560

With B+E licence you need a tow car that is listed to tow at least 1560

The tow capacity of a vehicle does not have to accommodate the MAM of a trailer

 

[ItandaBit]

Hi,

I tow with a 2015 Ford Kuga 2.0 AWD

I hold a B+E Licence
Kerb weight of the Kuga = 1707 (I think)
GVW = 2250 (I think)
Towing Capacity of Kuga - 2100kg
Plated MAM of the trailer = 2500kg
Unladen weight of the trailer = 930kg
Horse Weight = 548kg


I have only towed with my own horse, bearing the above in mind- My car can tow 2100kg, I would never go over that but how close is it safe to go to that figure? My horse and equitrek trail treka total - 1478kg leaving me 622kg in theory.

I have read about only towing 85% of your towing cars capacity. Is this the case? If so I would only be able to tow 1785kg, leaving me only 307kg if I were looking to tow another horse. If my weight / tack etc is considered I am 52kg and say 30kg for all the tack and food I take then I would only have 225kg. Is this right?

 

[ROG]

Hi,

I tow with a 2015 Ford Kuga 2.0 AWD

I hold a B+E Licence
Kerb weight of the Kuga = 1707 (I think)
GVW = 2250 (I think)
Towing Capacity of Kuga - 2100kg
Plated MAM of the trailer = 2500kg
Unladen weight of the trailer = 930kg
Horse Weight = 548kg


I have only towed with my own horse, bearing the above in mind- My car can tow 2100kg, I would never go over that but how close is it safe to go to that figure? My horse and equitrek trail treka total - 1478kg leaving me 622kg in theory.

I have read about only towing 85% of your towing cars capacity. Is this the case? If so I would only be able to tow 1785kg, leaving me only 307kg if I were looking to tow another horse. If my weight / tack etc is considered I am 52kg and say 30kg for all the tack and food I take then I would only have 225kg. Is this right?

85% ADVICE IS FOR CARAVANS ONLY

Your vehicle is designed to tow up to 2100 so loading 1170 into the trailer should be safe and legal

 

[ItandaBit]

85% ADVICE IS FOR CARAVANS ONLY

Your vehicle is designed to tow up to 2100 so loading 1170 into the trailer should be safe and legal

Oh amazing, thanks for clearing that up for me! I just wanted to be 100% sure.

 

[Moomin499ck]

Hi Rog, for a friend - She is buying a CX 5 Mazda SE-L 2.2 Diesel Auto 5 door 2013 and has a HB401 trailer.

1. B
2. 1594kg
3. 2130kg (but unsure about this one).
4. 2000 kg
5. 1600 kg (HB401)
6. 770Kg

Thanks so much!

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog, for a friend - She is buying a CX 5 Mazda SE-L 2.2 Diesel Auto 5 door 2013 and has a HB401 trailer.

1. B
2. 1594kg
3. 2130kg (but unsure about this one).
4. 2000 kg
5. 1600 kg (HB401)
6. 770Kg

Thanks so much!

IF 2130 is correct then the trailer needs down plating via contact with IW to 1300 (or 1350) which leaves a max of 530 (or 580) for the trailer load

 

[Moomin499ck]

IF 2130 is correct then the trailer needs down plating via contact with IW to 1300 (or 1350) which leaves a max of 530 (or 580) for the trailer load

Thanks ROG she is just checking with the dealership so will advise if different.

 

[ROG]

Thanks ROG she is just checking with the dealership so will advise if different.

Top two numbers on the weight plate will be useful

 

[Moomin499ck]

Hi Rog

Find the attached file.

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog

Find the attached file.

GVW 2035
Towing capacity 2000
Max trailer plated MAM for a B licence = 1465 but most will do 1450
At 1450 it will leave 680 for the trailer load

 

[Chihuahua]

Hi Rog

Hopefully I've done this right. Hoping to buy the following car and trailer set up for B licence towing (Nissan X Trail 2.2 dci aventura and fautras JMS classic 1.5 trailer). Info from googling and I think it's a good set up from what I can see?

1 - What licence they hold - B
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle 1525kg
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle 2050kg
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle 2000kg
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres website states '1050 - 2000kg', assume I would need 1200 to travel 1x 550kg horse?
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer 650kg

Thanks!

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog

Hopefully I've done this right. Hoping to buy the following car and trailer set up for B licence towing (Nissan X Trail 2.2 dci aventura and fautras JMS classic 1.5 trailer). Info from googling and I think it's a good set up from what I can see?

1 - What licence they hold - B
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle 1525kg
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle 2050kg
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle 2000kg
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres website states '1050 - 2000kg', assume I would need 1200 to travel 1x 550kg horse?
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer 650kg

Thanks!

If the plated weight on the trailer is over 1450 kg then it needs to be down plated via contact the manufacturer
At 1450 it will have enough load allowance to take a 550 kg horse

 

[Kimbo767]

Hi Rog,

I was just wondering if a Nissan Qashqai is decent enough to tow with? The model I have been looking at is a 1.6dci Tekna 4wd 2014 plate and says it can tow up to 1800kg but I have Had a couple of people say that they are not the best to tow with. I also wondered if I could tow a hb403 eith this car on a b license?

Kerb weight ranges from 1300-1580 and the GVW ranges from 1870-2110.

The unladen weight of the trailer would be 767kg and my horse weighs around the 460-470 mark

 

[Abi90]

Hi Rog,

I was just wondering if a Nissan Qashqai is decent enough to tow with? The model I have been looking at is a 1.6dci Tekna 4wd 2014 plate and says it can tow up to 1800kg but I have Had a couple of people say that they are not the best to tow with. I also wondered if I could tow a hb403 eith this car on a b license?

Kerb weight ranges from 1300-1580 and the GVW ranges from 1870-2110.

The unladen weight of the trailer would be 767kg and my horse weighs around the 460-470 mark

I towed a HB403 downrated to 1400kg with mine which was legal with all the weight requirements. It towed beautifully and never struggled 😊

Done trailer test now so buying a bigger better tow car but it worked fine. The Qashqai won tow car awards several years in a row with the old version and the facelift version (which I think you’re talking about) is even better

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog,

I was just wondering if a Nissan Qashqai is decent enough to tow with? The model I have been looking at is a 1.6dci Tekna 4wd 2014 plate and says it can tow up to 1800kg but I have Had a couple of people say that they are not the best to tow with. I also wondered if I could tow a hb403 eith this car on a b license?

Kerb weight ranges from 1300-1580 and the GVW ranges from 1870-2110.

The unladen weight of the trailer would be 767kg and my horse weighs around the 460-470 mark

Cannot tell you what they are like to tow with but if it says it will tow 1800 then it will tow 1800

Lets pretend the GVW is 2000 as a mid range figure
That leaves you 1500 for the trailer plated MAM
HB403 is made at 1600 so you would need to contact IW to down plate it to 1500
That would conform to the 3500 towing B licence law
HB403 is about 780 empty so at 1500 it can be loaded with 720