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[Remi]

Hi ROG, I'm hoping you can help me out:

1 - B license
2 - Curb weight - 1597kg
3 - GVW - 2400kg
4 - GTW - can't find this but remember it being around 3500kg
5 - trailer MAM /
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer /

Would I ever be able to downgrade a trailer enough to tow without a license?

 

[ROG]

1 - B license
3 - GVW - 2400kg
Would I ever be able to downgrade a trailer enough to tow without a license?

The maximum trailer plated MAM would be 1100 kgs and the lightest trailer I know of is a Bateson Derby at 675 kgs so if that was down plated from 1700 to 1100 then it would only leave 425 kgs for the horse/load


you need a vehicle where the GVW is nearer to 2200kg to make this more of a realistic thing

 

[SarahRicoh]

Hello,

Got a question for you if that's okay?

would this car >> http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...ssat/onesearchad/used,nearlynew,new?logcode=p

Be legal on a B license towing a Rice Beaufort Trailer (700kg) with a pony weighing max 500kg??
Sorry it confuses me

 

[ROG]

Hello,

Got a question for you if that's okay?

would this car >> http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...ssat/onesearchad/used,nearlynew,new?logcode=p

Be legal on a B license towing a Rice Beaufort Trailer (700kg) with a pony weighing max 500kg??
Sorry it confuses me

I need to know the GVW for that vehicle and the plated MAM for the trailer - those are the plated max weights which each can legally be when fully loaded

What they actually weigh is of no use for licencing purposes as licences go on potential legal max weights

 

[ROG]

I need to know the GVW for that vehicle and the plated MAM for the trailer - those are the plated max weights which each can legally be when fully loaded

What they actually weigh is of no use for licencing purposes as licences go on potential legal max weights

Vehicle GVW will be on a weight plate usually hidden under the bonnet or inside a door frame
Trailer MAM will be on a silver plate on the A frame part of the trailer
GVW + MAM must not total more than 3500 for B licence towing

 

[ROG]

This thread makes interesting reading in regards to towing with a car on a B licence - https://forums-secure.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?659998-Towing-with-a-car-query

 

[Tayto]

I need to sit a B+E test in order to tow my IW505 however is my dad (who is licensed to tow) allowed to sit with me and practice towing the trailer empty?

 

[ROG]

I need to sit a B+E test in order to tow my IW505 however is my dad (who is licensed to tow) allowed to sit with me and practice towing the trailer empty?

SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.

All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.

The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner

 

[Shutterbug]

Can someone possibly confirm the towing capability of an 06 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.4 CDX - I have trawled the internet and cannot find an answer - the guy selling it tells says 2500kg but I am unable to find any clarification of this online.

 

[ROG]

Can someone possibly confirm the towing capability of an 06 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.4 CDX - I have trawled the internet and cannot find an answer - the guy selling it tells says 2500kg but I am unable to find any clarification of this online.

The 01 to 05 models state 1200 max

I cannot find 06 2.4 model

Best advice is to ask the seller what the top two figures are on the weight plate hidden under the bonnet or in a door frame then deduct the top figure from the second to give the max towing capacity

 

[Shutterbug]

The 01 to 05 models state 1200 max

I cannot find 06 2.4 model

Best advice is to ask the seller what the top two figures are on the weight plate hidden under the bonnet or in a door frame then deduct the top figure from the second to give the max towing capacity

Thanks hun - not convinced I wont have to sell a kidney to fuel it, so not gonna bother - looking at a Hyundai Santa Fe 2.0 TD Automatic. The search continues

 

[km-j]

Setup;
1 - BE
2 - 1410
3 - 1960
4 - 1700
5 - 1600
6 - 767

Thanks

 

[ROG]

Setup;
1 - BE
2 - 1410
3 - 1960
4 - 1700
5 - 1600
6 - 767

Thanks

You can legally load the trailer with 833 kgs

NOTE- if the trailer was down plated to 1500 it would be legal for a B only licence holder and could be loaded with 733 kgs

 

[AppaloosaPonyHorse]

1 - What licence they hold - B or BE
B (but planning to get BE licence)

2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle
1449

3 - GVW of the towing vehicle
2150

4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the
towing vehicle
1500kg towing capacity

5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres
MGW = 2340 Weight Capacity 1435kg

6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer "
905kg

 

[ROG]

1 - What licence they hold - B or BE
B (but planning to get BE licence)

2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle
1449

3 - GVW of the towing vehicle
2150

4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the
towing vehicle
1500kg towing capacity

5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres
MGW = 2340 Weight Capacity 1435kg

6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer "
905kg

On a B licence = no because 2150 + 2340 = 4490 which is 990 over the 3500 limit
The trailer could be down plated to 1350 but then it would only leave 445 for the trailer load/horse

On a B+E licence the lower figure between 1500 and 2340 is used so 1500 - 905 = 595 for the trailer load/horse

 

[AppaloosaPonyHorse]

On a B licence = no because 2150 + 2340 = 4490 which is 990 over the 3500 limit
The trailer could be down plated to 1350 but then it would only leave 445 for the trailer load/horse

On a B+E licence the lower figure between 1500 and 2340 is used so 1500 - 905 = 595 for the trailer load/horse

Thanks Rog

Hope I got the figures right, was going to change my little car for a ford mondeo 1.8 and get an IF 505

If you can recommend similar vehicle/trailer combo you think is good would be much appreciated.

Don't want 4x4 as need cheaper car to run day to day and would be doing mostly local shows to tow to 2-3 times a month.

Would most of time be towing one 15hh horse who is about 500kg (but needs to lose weight lol)

Thanks

 

[ROG]

Thanks Rog

Hope I got the figures right, was going to change my little car for a ford mondeo 1.8 and get an IF 505

If you can recommend similar vehicle/trailer combo you think is good would be much appreciated.

Don't want 4x4 as need cheaper car to run day to day and would be doing mostly local shows to tow to 2-3 times a month.

Would most of time be towing one 15hh horse who is about 500kg (but needs to lose weight lol)

Thanks

How about this on a B licence

OCTAVIA ESTATE - 1.6 TDI CR SE 4x4 5dr (yes, a 4X4 !!)
Gross vehicle weight 1998 kg
Max towing weight - braked 2000 kg

BATESON DERBY trailer
Empty 675
MAM 1700 but down plated to 1500

Max load/horse for trailer 835 kgs

OR = Alternative trailer
IW HB401/403
Empty 800
MAM 1600 but down plated to 1500

Max load/horse for trailer 700 kgs

OR
HB 505 trailer
MAM 2340 down plated to 1500
Empty 905
Max load/horse for trailer = 595 kgs

 

[AppaloosaPonyHorse]

How about this on a B licence

OCTAVIA ESTATE - 1.6 TDI CR SE 4x4 5dr (yes, a 4X4 !!)
Gross vehicle weight 1998 kg
Max towing weight - braked 2000 kg

BATESON DERBY trailer
Empty 675
MAM 1700 but down plated to 1500

Max load/horse for trailer 835 kgs

OR = Alternative trailer
IW HB401/403
Empty 800
MAM 1600 but down plated to 1500

Max load/horse for trailer 700 kgs

OR
HB 505 trailer
MAM 2340 down plated to 1500
Empty 905
Max load/horse for trailer = 595 kgs

Thanks Rog

Will definitely look into all of those options

 

[AppaloosaPonyHorse]

Meant to add this to last post

I am in Ireland and think B/BE licence same rules

This is what it says for B

What trailers does my category B licence cover?

You can tow a trailer with a

MAM no greater than 750kg, and/or
Where the MAM of the trailer exceeds 750kg but where the MAM of the vehicle and trailer does not exceed 3500kg.

So this is the same as in UK right?

Are single horse boxes usually lighter than double ones? might be good option for me

 

[ROG]

Meant to add this to last post

I am in Ireland and think B/BE licence same rules

This is what it says for B

What trailers does my category B licence cover?

You can tow a trailer with a

MAM no greater than 750kg, and/or
Where the MAM of the trailer exceeds 750kg but where the MAM of the vehicle and trailer does not exceed 3500kg.

So this is the same as in UK right?

Are single horse boxes usually lighter than double ones? might be good option for me

Same as mainland UK

Singles are usually lighter empty than doubles so allow more payload when down plated



B licence towing of a trailer over 750 kgs plated MAM- add vehicle plated GVW (MAM) to trailer plated MAM and that total must not be more than 3500 kgs - that is the one extra rule on top of the usual towing rules

 

[Laura2408]

Hi!

Can anyone tell me whether I can tow a single trailer (and which ones?) with an audi a3 1.6 tdi?
Braked weight of 1600kg I think and horse is a 14hh pony.

Also would I need to do test?

Thanks

 

[ROG]

Hi!

Can anyone tell me whether I can tow a single trailer (and which ones?) with an audi a3 1.6 tdi?
Braked weight of 1600kg I think and horse is a 14hh pony.

Also would I need to do test?

Thanks

http://carleasingmadesimple.com/business-car-leasing/audi/a3/gross-vehicle-weight/ - which model from that lot is yours?

I assume you only have a B licence because you mention that you might need a test

Most in the 1.6 range have a GVW of about 1900 so I will use that as the example

Car
GVW 1900
Towing capacity 1600 or more

Trailer
Max MAM 1600


Using a trailer such as an IW HB401/403 you would be perfectly legal on a B licence because 1900 + 1600 = 3500 which is the max allowed for B licence towing

As the 401/3 has an empty weight of just under 800 then you can load 800 into it

 

[Laura2408]

Thankyou ROG.
I thought it may tow one horse plus trailer however people have said it's dangerous due to breaking etc in a car?

I'm off to google terms now as I know nothing of cars or trailers!

The model is this however is older than this car (2010)
http://carleasingmadesimple.com/bus...i/a3-diesel-sportback_2/58499/technical-data/

 

[ROG]

Thankyou ROG.
I thought it may tow one horse plus trailer however people have said it's dangerous due to breaking etc in a car?

I'm off to google terms now as I know nothing of cars or trailers!

The model is this however is older than this car (2010)
http://carleasingmadesimple.com/bus...i/a3-diesel-sportback_2/58499/technical-data/

Well within safe and legal requirements for B toing with a trailer similar to the one I suggested

You could get something like a double HB505 and have it down plated to 1600 from 2340 and as it weighs 900 empty then it can still take a load of 700

Vehicles are designed to tow certain weights and as long as all is loaded correctly with all components in good order as well as being driven safely then there will be no issues

Loads tow horse trailers with basic family cars quite safely

 

[Gryfiss]

Hi rog I passed my test today whoop whoop !! Now I'm thinking of swapping my403 trailer for a 511 , I currently tow with an estate with a towing limit of 1600 would I need to deplate a 511 to 1600 until I get a new car with a tow weight that could take 2 horses my horse weighs 500 kilos . I think the cars laden weight is 2020
Can you also replicate a trailer more than once.
Thanks in advance

 

[AppaloosaPonyHorse]

Hi Rog

Thanks for all your advice before

After careful decison making and what is best long term and trying to be safe as possible towing going to get my BE licence as soon as possible as just gives a lot more options and flexibility. Going to go look at a Nissan X trail (diesal 4x4, 2.2, year 2007) hopefully soon that looks good and within my budget with trade in from current car and I like the IW HB505 so hopefully can get a decent 2nd hand one.

These are figures:

1 - What licence they hold - B or BE

will have BE licence

2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle

1490kg

3 - GVW of the towing vehicle

2050

4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle

towing capacity 2000kg

5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres

2340kg

6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer "

905kg


Thanks a mill

 

[ROG]

Hi rog I passed my test today whoop whoop !! Now I'm thinking of swapping my403 trailer for a 511 , I currently tow with an estate with a towing limit of 1600 would I need to deplate a 511 to 1600 until I get a new car with a tow weight that could take 2 horses my horse weighs 500 kilos . I think the cars laden weight is 2020
Can you also replicate a trailer more than once.
Thanks in advance

No legal reason to down plate - the max loaded trailer weight limit using a B+E licence is the lower of the trailer MAM or the towing capacity of the vehicle

what do mean by replicate?

Loads will be after your HB403 especially if it has already been down plated to ????

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog

Thanks for all your advice before

After careful decison making and what is best long term and trying to be safe as possible towing going to get my BE licence as soon as possible as just gives a lot more options and flexibility. Going to go look at a Nissan X trail (diesal 4x4, 2.2, year 2007) hopefully soon that looks good and within my budget with trade in from current car and I like the IW HB505 so hopefully can get a decent 2nd hand one.

These are figures:

1 - What licence they hold - B or BE

will have BE licence

2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle

1490kg

3 - GVW of the towing vehicle

2050

4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle

towing capacity 2000kg

5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres

2340kg

6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer "

905kg


Thanks a mill

Using B+E licence the maximum load for the trailer will be 1095 kgs (2000-905=1095)
Although the trailer MAM is 2340 the 2000 towing limit is lower so that determines the maximum when loaded

Using B licence the trailer would need down plating to a max of 1450 with a max possible load of 545 (1450-905=545)

 

[Gryfiss]

thank you for your reply

It was meant to say can you re plate a trailer more than once!

So just double checking if the towing limit on my car is 1600 and I get a 511 which maximum capacity is 2700 but unladen-ed weight is 1000 but I put my horse in which will make it 1550 .I will defiantly be legal and wont need to down plate?!

The 403 I have is 4yrs old I had it down plated to 1420 . its unladen-ed weight is 710 how much do you think I would get for it?

Thanks again xx

 

[ROG]

thank you for your reply

It was meant to say can you re plate a trailer more than once!

So just double checking if the towing limit on my car is 1600 and I get a 511 which maximum capacity is 2700 but unladen-ed weight is 1000 but I put my horse in which will make it 1550 .I will defiantly be legal and wont need to down plate?!

The 403 I have is 4yrs old I had it down plated to 1420 . its unladen-ed weight is 710 how much do you think I would get for it?

Thanks again xx

A trailer can be up or down plated by the manufacturer as many times as you like

Perfectly legal to do what you say within the 1600 limit
There is no law or rule which states that a vehicle towing capacity must be able to accommodate a trailer MAM
There are a few internet myths ......

No idea on trailer sales