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[ROG]

If its not the Dacia in the last post then is it one of these = http://carleasingmadesimple.com/business-car-leasing/dacia/duster/towing-weight-limit/ ?

 

[Kungfoo-hamster]

Thanks

Its the older model of Dacia so the specs aren't on the Dacia website but I think they are as follows


Price/as tested: £13,695/£14,685
Engine: 1.5-litre 4cyl diesel
Power/torque: 108bhp/240Nm
Official economy: 53.3mpg
CO2/road tax: 135g/km/£125
Kerbweight: 1,294kg
Max towing weight: 1,500kg
30-60mph: 17.9 secs
40-60mph: 14.1 secs

Does this mean I have 1500kg towing capacity? if so then I guess a lightweight trailer would be possible...looks like I am going to have to get my boy used to travelling on his own though

 

[Kungfoo-hamster]

Yes - its the Laureate from that list 4x4 diesel

 

[ROG]

Thanks

Its the older model of Dacia so the specs aren't on the Dacia website but I think they are as follows


Price/as tested: £13,695/£14,685
Engine: 1.5-litre 4cyl diesel
Power/torque: 108bhp/240Nm
Official economy: 53.3mpg
CO2/road tax: 135g/km/£125
Kerbweight: 1,294kg
Max towing weight: 1,500kg
30-60mph: 17.9 secs
40-60mph: 14.1 secs

Does this mean I have 1500kg towing capacity? if so then I guess a lightweight trailer would be possible...looks like I am going to have to get my boy used to travelling on his own though

1500 will be the max actual weight limit that it can tow so yes horsey will be travelling alone unless you have a minature shetland to go with it

1500 opens up a few more trailer possibilities such as the HB401/3 at just under 800 empty leaving a 700 load for the trailer

The max empty trailer weight I would go for is 900 so it leaves at least 600 for the load

 

[Cheshire Chestnut]

ROG - can you please help me?

The gross weight of the car: I have two gross weights. The only one in the log book says 1600kg gross weight under the revenue weight (but then says GROSS after it) with no other weight stamped in it anywhere else.

However the tow websites such as caravan club, towing weights etc all say 2050kg. Also Hyundai's website says 2050kg too. (It's an ix35 2ltr diesel)

I 100% have the right model for what I'm looking at. I've done my trailer test now so it doesn't matter legal wise for towing, however I was wondering which one would be the official weight to go by?

Thank you

 

[ROG]

ROG - can you please help me?

The gross weight of the car: I have two gross weights. The only one in the log book says 1600kg gross weight under the revenue weight (but then says GROSS after it) with no other weight stamped in it anywhere else.

However the tow websites such as caravan club, towing weights etc all say 2050kg. Also Hyundai's website says 2050kg too. (It's an ix35 2ltr diesel)

I 100% have the right model for what I'm looking at. I've done my trailer test now so it doesn't matter legal wise for towing, however I was wondering which one would be the official weight to go by?

Thank you

Best advice is to look at the weight plate on the vehicle which is usually hidden under the bonnet or in a door frame

You need the top two of the four figures shown on that plate

The top figure is the GVW
The second larger figure is the GTW

Deduct the top GVW figure from the larger GTW figure which gives the max towing weight

No matter what the V5 or manufacturers state the plate on the vehicle is the legal one to go by

 

[Cheshire Chestnut]

Best advice is to look at the weight plate on the vehicle which is usually hidden under the bonnet or in a door frame

You need the top two of the four figures shown on that plate

The top figure is the GVW
The second larger figure is the GTW

Deduct the top GVW figure from the larger GTW figure which gives the max towing weight

No matter what the V5 or manufacturers state the plate on the vehicle is the legal one to go by

Thank you. I know the towing capacity weight, that is 2000kg but it was the gross weight of the actual vehicle that is causing some confusion.

The V5 states the vehicle weighs 1600kg but the manifacturer's website says different. Didn't know how acurate V5's were.

But I shall look on the plate and that should clear it up Thank you.

 

[Kayfamily]

Hi can you tell me if this is a legal set up
Vauxhall Frontera the top 2 figures on the plate read
2450
5250
Trailer is a Bateson Deuville gross weight on the plate is 2300kg.
Pretty sure has to be a B&E licence but is the car legal to pull the trailer with 1 horse and 1 pony combined weights of about 850kg. Thanks

 

[ROG]

Hi can you tell me if this is a legal set up
Vauxhall Frontera the top 2 figures on the plate read
2450
5250
Trailer is a Bateson Deuville gross weight on the plate is 2300kg.
Pretty sure has to be a B&E licence but is the car legal to pull the trailer with 1 horse and 1 pony combined weights of about 850kg. Thanks

2300+2450=4750 so deffo B+E as its over the 3500 B limit

5250-2450=2800 so the towing capacity is 2800

The max the trailer can actually weigh when loaded is 2300

 

[Kayfamily]

Thank you

 

[patchwork puzzle]

Hi, I have a LWB Frontera and will be towing a friends IW505. I know the car details but not the traile, although I think the trailer is as follows.
Car unladen - 1759
Car GVW - 2400
Car GTW - 2600
Trailer MAM - 2340
Trailer unladen - 905
I have a 14.2 Haflinger, around 430-470kg and will be taking my trailer test before towing. How much extra capacity do I have after my mare is on boar, if any?
Thank you

 

[ROG]

Hi, I have a LWB Frontera and will be towing a friends IW505. I know the car details but not the traile, although I think the trailer is as follows.
Car unladen - 1759
Car GVW - 2400
Car GTW - 2600
Trailer MAM - 2340
Trailer unladen - 905
I have a 14.2 Haflinger, around 430-470kg and will be taking my trailer test before towing. How much extra capacity do I have after my mare is on boar, if any?
Thank you

I think you mean it has a towing capacity of 2600 but the rest is spot on so it makes my job easy - ta

With a B+E licence or towing as a B+E learner you take the lower figure of either towing capacity 2600 or trailer MAM 2340 so in this case its 2340

You then take 905 from 2340 which leaves you with 1435 which can be loaded into the trailer

From that 1435 you take off the horse 470 which still leaves 965 to be put into the trailer

3 horses at 470 = 1410 with 25 to spare - but as the trailer is only designed for 2 horses that is a bit of useless info !

 

[patchwork puzzle]

That's great, thank you ROG, am I right in thinking that I can legally tow that maximum of 2340 with that vehicle?

 

[ROG]

That's great, thank you ROG, am I right in thinking that I can legally tow that maximum of 2340 with that vehicle?

Yup because it has a tow capacity of 2600

If you got a trailer with a MAM of say 3000 then it can only be loaded up to a max weight of 2600

 

[patchwork puzzle]

Thank you once again. I have another question, if that's Ok, I do apologise
I realise now the GTW is 5000 and is stated under the 2400 under the bonnet. I have read quite often that the recommended towing limit is 85% of something, but I don't know what of, can you help to confirm and maybe let me know what the recommended amount is for my vehicle?

 

[ROG]

Thank you once again. I have another question, if that's Ok, I do apologise
I realise now the GTW is 5000 and is stated under the 2400 under the bonnet. I have read quite often that the recommended towing limit is 85% of something, but I don't know what of, can you help to confirm and maybe let me know what the recommended amount is for my vehicle?

The 85% advice is for caravans only due to them being large light bubbles of air

 

[patchwork puzzle]

Thank you, you've been ever so helpful

 

[ROG]

Thank you, you've been ever so helpful

Its why I am here - I know nowt about horses but I did ride a donkey on the beach when I was little !!

 

[Moomin1]

Would a Vauxhall Frontera Suv 2.2 Dti Olympus be ok for an Ifor Williams 510 with 16.3hh horse weighing approx 600kg? I don't have a B + E licence as yet but just need to know if it's ok for towing that sort of weight.

I am only looking at this vehicle at the moment and can't seem to find any specs for it anywhere, though I am probably looking in the wrong place.

 

[ROG]

Would a Vauxhall Frontera Suv 2.2 Dti Olympus be ok for an Ifor Williams 510 with 16.3hh horse weighing approx 600kg? I don't have a B + E licence as yet but just need to know if it's ok for towing that sort of weight.

I am only looking at this vehicle at the moment and can't seem to find any specs for it anywhere, though I am probably looking in the wrong place.

I searched the internet and found the kerb/empty weight is about 1800 so the GVW will be about 2300
I also found the towing capacity listed as 2800

With the trailer and horse you listed the total weight will be about 1600 so well within the 2800 towing capacity

The MAM of the HB510 is 2584 and the empty weight is 1000 so the max that can be put in the trailer using that vehicle is 1584

It will need to be driven under B+E licence/provisional rules

 

[Moomin1]

I searched the internet and found the kerb/empty weight is about 1800 so the GVW will be about 2300
I also found the towing capacity listed as 2800

With the trailer and horse you listed the total weight will be about 1600 so well within the 2800 towing capacity

The MAM of the HB510 is 2584 and the empty weight is 1000 so the max that can be put in the trailer using that vehicle is 1584

It will need to be driven under B+E licence/provisional rules

Thankyou ROG. Can I just double check I am right in thinking I can tow (I don't have a B and E yet) provided I have someone who does have a B and E or passed their driving test before 2007 sat in the vehicle with me?

 

[ROG]

Thankyou ROG. Can I just double check I am right in thinking I can tow (I don't have a B and E yet) provided I have someone who does have a B and E or passed their driving test before 2007 sat in the vehicle with me?

SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.

All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.

The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
The supervising driver does not need to be insured unless they are driving

 

[ROG]

Hi all, am I ok to tow upto 3.5kg without taking the b+e test? Thanks

You need two figures
GVW of vehicle which is listed as Max permissible mass on the V5 keepers form or the top of the 4 numbers on the weight plate which is usually hidden under the bonnet or in a door frame
MAM of trailer which is the high figure on the silver weight plate usually located on the A-frame behind the towing hitch

When you get those two figures you add them together and if they total more than 3500 you need B+E to drive it alone or as a learner - see post above for the rules on that

The trailer can be down plated only by the manufacturer if you need to do that to comply to the law for B towing but the empty weight remains the same so it would mean that less can be loaded into it

 

[daisy123]

This is so confusing to me.

Could I tow without taking the b+e test? Obviously I didn't pass my test before 1997 and failed 2 trailer tests on driving errors.

My car weighs 1.5kg
trailer weighs 820kg unladen
trailer weighs 1750kg mam
horse weighs 420kg

Anything I've missed out?

Thanks

 

[ROG]

This is so confusing to me.

Could I tow without taking the b+e test? Obviously I didn't pass my test before 1997 and failed 2 trailer tests on driving errors.

My car weighs 1.5kg
trailer weighs 820kg unladen
trailer weighs 1750kg mam
horse weighs 420kg

Anything I've missed out?

Thanks

Need GVW of vehicle not the empty weight because licences go on the plated weights

 

[daisy123]

2100kg braked
750kg unbraked

 

[ROG]

2100kg braked
750kg unbraked

Still need GVW

 

[daisy123]

These are what I found on door

1965kg
3465kg
1050kg
960kg

 

[ROG]

These are what I found on door

1965kg
3465kg
1050kg
960kg

BRILL
1965 = GVW
3465 = GTW
1050 = front axle
960 = rear axle

GTW 3465 minus GVW 1965 = 1500 which is usually the max towing capacity so where did the 2100 braked you got come from ?

GVW 1965 + trailer MAM 1750 = 3715 so 215 over the max 3500 B licence towing limit

Remedy = contact trailer manufacturer and get it down plated from 1750 to 1500

1500 minus 820 = 680 so plenty enough for a 420 horse

 

[ROG]

What trailer has a MAM of 1750 and an empty weight of 820 ?

I have a feeling its a richardson rice who have gone out of business so cannot be down plated