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[daisy123]

Got the first weights out of manual guide That came with car.

Yes I have a rice trailer. So need to do the dreaded b+e test again.

Thanks for the help

 

[ROG]

Got the first weights out of manual guide That came with car.

Yes I have a rice trailer. So need to do the dreaded b+e test again.

Thanks for the help

Or get a different trailer

The plated weights are the law

The hand book could still be correct but I would be sceptical and contact manufacturer

 

[daisy123]

I've only just got this trailer I swapped my ifor 505 for a smaller box.

 

[ROG]

I've only just got this trailer I swapped my ifor 505 for a smaller box.

You could have down plated the 505 to 1500 and still had enough to spare for a 420 horse

 

[daisy123]

That's just my luck is that!

 

[Meeko]

Hi..

1 - What licence they hold - B license
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle - 1580kg
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle - 2785kg
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle - 3500kg
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres - trailor is IFor 510
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer

Hope the details are correct, car is a isuzu trooper 2000 3.1d, trailor ifor 510

Thank you

 

[ROG]

Hi..

1 - What licence they hold - B license
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle - 1580kg
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle - 2785kg
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle - 3500kg
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres - trailor is IFor 510
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer

Hope the details are correct, car is a isuzu trooper 2000 3.1d, trailor ifor 510

Thank you

HB510 is 2584 MAM and 1000 empty

2785+2584=5369 so well over the 3500 max for B towing

You can drive that combo now using this - but not on your own

SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.

All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.

The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
The supervising driver does not need to be insured unless they are driving

 

[daisy123]

Checked trailer today and the weighs are actually...

1400kg
2700kg

Does that mean I'm legal to tow without b + e test?

 

[ROG]

Checked trailer today and the weighs are actually...

1400kg
2700kg

Does that mean I'm legal to tow without b + e test?

No - its worse because now you have 2700+1965=4665 which is way over the 3500 B licence towing limit

 

[daisy123]

oh no

 

[ROG]

oh no

You have a great GVW vehicle for B towing as its not more than 2000 kg but its your trailer MAM which is letting you down

 

[webble]

I searched the internet and found the kerb/empty weight is about 1800 so the GVW will be about 2300
I also found the towing capacity listed as 2800

With the trailer and horse you listed the total weight will be about 1600 so well within the 2800 towing capacity

The MAM of the HB510 is 2584 and the empty weight is 1000 so the max that can be put in the trailer using that vehicle is 1584

It will need to be driven under B+E licence/provisional rules

oooo that would leave enough space for a little cob alongside too

 

[daisy123]

So what would be my ideal trailer on weights? As I'm now going to sell mine and get a smaller box. Been looking for a single but not many around..thanks again

 

[ROG]

So what would be my ideal trailer on weights? As I'm now going to sell mine and get a smaller box. Been looking for a single but not many around..thanks again

I think you said your horse was about 420 kg so with a few other bits lets say you need to load 500 kg into the trailer

You have a max plated MAM limit of 1500 with your vehicle GVW being just under 2000 kg

A trailer weighing 1000 empty and down plated to 1500 would work so along with many others that includes the Ifor 505 506 510 511 double trailers

virtually any basic single or double trailer where the manufacturer is still trading is where you need to look

If you find one then post what it is on here before buying so I can guide you on the legal requirements for your situation

 

[daisy123]

Ok thanks

 

[beatrice]

Hope this is the correct place to leave this query and apologies if it has been answered before - I am due to take my trailer test in a few weeks however in the meantime am I ok to drive car+trailer with L plates supervised by someone with a pre 1997 license?

Thanks in advance!!

 

[ROG]

Hope this is the correct place to leave this query and apologies if it has been answered before - I am due to take my trailer test in a few weeks however in the meantime am I ok to drive car+trailer with L plates supervised by someone with a pre 1997 license?

Thanks in advance!!

See post 2287 above

 

[Kacey88]

I am changing my car soon and was wondering if there is any car/jeep I can legally tow a HB505 or HB506 with a 530kg horse inside? I only have a B license but will get my B+E if needs be.

 

[ROG]

I am changing my car soon and was wondering if there is any car/jeep I can legally tow a HB505 or HB506 with a 530kg horse inside? I only have a B license but will get my B+E if needs be.

Yes there is

http://carleasingmadesimple.com/bus...octavia-diesel-estate_3/70454/technical-data/ skoda octavia 4x4
GVW 1998 kg
Towing capacity 2000

http://www.towinghorsetrailers.co.uk/trailer/1063 HB505
empty 905
MAM 2340 but down plated by contacting IW to 1500 leaving 595 for trailer load

http://www.towinghorsetrailers.co.uk/trailer/1010 HB506
empty 920
MAM 2600 but down plated by contacting IW to 1500 leaving 580 for trailer load


Another vehicle
http://carleasingmadesimple.com/bus...hqai-diesel-hatchback_2/63044/technical-data/ Nissan Qashqai 4x4
GVW a little higher at 2030 kg
Towing capacity 1800

Using this vehicle would mean down plating the above trailers to 1470 and would mean 30 kg less which can be put into trailer

 

[ROG]

http://carleasingmadesimple.com/bus...da/yeti-diesel-estate_1/62822/technical-data/ Skoda Yeti is another worth looking at for B towing

 

[Kacey88]

Thank you so much ROG. I don't see the point in down plating if the weight is legal but anywho! Delighted it can be done on a B license.

 

[ROG]

Thank you so much ROG. I don't see the point in down plating if the weight is legal but anywho! Delighted it can be done on a B license.

Licences go on the plated weights not the actual weights and the max total plated weight for B towing is 3500 kg

If the plated weight (GVW/MAM) on the towing vehicle is say 2000 kg then the max plated weight (MAM) for the trailer is 1500 kg

 

[OldNag]

Anyone here tow with an Audi A4?

I have an old 4 x4 but it is having reliability issues and finances do not at the moment permit an upgrade.

We have an Audi A4 2.5 tdi auto which is more than capable of towing my trailer + 2 ponies (and I am ancient so on a B & E).

I am debating whether to stick a towbar on the Audi so we have a backup tow car. But I am wondering how it would cope towing on grass? Anyone tow with similar?

Generally the venues we tow to are car - friendly with hardstanding, but we do go to shows on fields.

Before I invest in a towbar, am I barking up the wrong tree?

 

[ROG]

Anyone here tow with an Audi A4?

I have an old 4 x4 but it is having reliability issues and finances do not at the moment permit an upgrade.

We have an Audi A4 2.5 tdi auto which is more than capable of towing my trailer + 2 ponies (and I am ancient so on a B & E).

I am debating whether to stick a towbar on the Audi so we have a backup tow car. But I am wondering how it would cope towing on grass? Anyone tow with similar?

Generally the venues we tow to are car - friendly with hardstanding, but we do go to shows on fields.

Before I invest in a towbar, am I barking up the wrong tree?

I just had a quick look around the internet and it seems about 50/50 on grass towing with the 4x4 Audi

 

[OldNag]

I just had a quick look around the internet and it seems about 50/50 on grass towing with the 4x4 Audi

Thanks ROG

 

[tallyho!]

Anyone here tow with an Audi A4?

I have an old 4 x4 but it is having reliability issues and finances do not at the moment permit an upgrade.

We have an Audi A4 2.5 tdi auto which is more than capable of towing my trailer + 2 ponies (and I am ancient so on a B & E).

I am debating whether to stick a towbar on the Audi so we have a backup tow car. But I am wondering how it would cope towing on grass? Anyone tow with similar?

Generally the venues we tow to are car - friendly with hardstanding, but we do go to shows on fields.

Before I invest in a towbar, am I barking up the wrong tree?

Hya, I tow with an Audi A4 now. Only one horse in a HB505 and it's absolutely fine on grass... wouldn't like to chance it on a real wet/muddy day though but most of the shows I go to are on grass and mainly in the summer when we like to think it'll be dry ... anyway, managed to get home so far these last few years...

Towbars are not break-the-bank either. I think mine was under £200 and done me well.

Sometimes I need something that'll tow two horses but I borrow a mates truck for that.

 

[tallyho!]

oops double posted... how'd that happen?!

 

[OldNag]

Hya, I tow with an Audi A4 now. Only one horse in a HB505 and it's absolutely fine on grass... wouldn't like to chance it on a real wet/muddy day though but most of the shows I go to are on grass and mainly in the summer when we like to think it'll be dry ... anyway, managed to get home so far these last few years...

Towbars are not break-the-bank either. I think mine was under £200 and done me well.

Sometimes I need something that'll tow two horses but I borrow a mates truck for that.

Thanks TH.
My two ponies together weigh under 600kg and trailer is 740kg so I won't be towing a huge amount. Sounds very possible.

 

[ROG]

Thanks TH.
My two ponies together weigh under 600kg and trailer is 740kg so I won't be towing a huge amount. Sounds very possible.

That could be done on a B licence if the plated weights do not total more than 3500 kg

 

[tallyho!]

That could be done on a B licence if the plated weights do not total more than 3500 kg

It's a good option!