ROG
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If no plate on trailer then use tyre load rating - click this link = http://www.blackcircles.com/general/load-rating
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ROG
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That is not a definitive weight plate so use tyre load ratings total
luckilotti
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The plate app says 300-700kg :/
I'll emailed the seller again and ask what the tyres say.
I'll emailed the seller again and ask what the tyres say.
ROG
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Did you send the tyre load rating link to them so they can give you that info ?
luckilotti
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I've asked them to provide the full number off the tyres so i can look on the website myself for my own piece of mind as they answer they gave me re the plate was so vague i'm not sure i would trust their answer fully.
I am assuming it will have to be under the 750kg? Confused what my weight of my car is as parkers is so far off some of the poss figures in the book but they obviously dont take my exact model into account :/
I am assuming it will have to be under the 750kg? Confused what my weight of my car is as parkers is so far off some of the poss figures in the book but they obviously dont take my exact model into account :/
ROG
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I get a feeling it is this = http://www.foldingcamperinformation.co.uk/html/pullman.html
If it is then its 675 empty and has a max MAM of 900 allowing for 225 to be loaded into it
does that seem right to you ?
If it is then its 675 empty and has a max MAM of 900 allowing for 225 to be loaded into it
does that seem right to you ?
ROG
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It must not be more than 750 kg MAM for you to tow it alone on a B licence with a vehicle where the GVW is between 2750 and 3500
ROG
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looks nice if thats it ?
luckilotti
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Yes it's like that just a LOT older, not as fancy inside though (from comparing pics prob lighter as now they look to be much higher spec).
Is there any way of finding the EXACT GVW for my car which is the official weight they would use for any checks etc? Just weird the book says for some models upto 2880kg, yet parkers for my model says 2150 - 730kg is a BIG difference between figures :/ (surely parkers when you have to select model, transition etc take that all into account?)
I'm going to be checking my horse trailer tyres also tomorrow as, as far as i know i can tow that with the provisional B+E entitlement with my mum with me, with L plates but hope that's actually right or i might as well sell that trailer (has off road type tyres on so may not be the true figure for my trailer but it is an old one with no plate on)
Is there any way of finding the EXACT GVW for my car which is the official weight they would use for any checks etc? Just weird the book says for some models upto 2880kg, yet parkers for my model says 2150 - 730kg is a BIG difference between figures :/ (surely parkers when you have to select model, transition etc take that all into account?)
I'm going to be checking my horse trailer tyres also tomorrow as, as far as i know i can tow that with the provisional B+E entitlement with my mum with me, with L plates but hope that's actually right or i might as well sell that trailer (has off road type tyres on so may not be the true figure for my trailer but it is an old one with no plate on)
ROG
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To find exact GVW is easy - find weight plate usually hidden under bonnet or in a door frame which has 4 weights on it - its the top weight = GVW
SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.
All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.
The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
The supervising driver does not need to be insured unless they are driving
ROG
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With MUM next to you and towing under B+E learner rules you can tow any horse trailer with that vehicle as it has a towing capacity of 3500 kg if memory serves correctly
By giving me the top two figures off the vehicle weight plate I can say for definitite
By giving me the top two figures off the vehicle weight plate I can say for definitite
luckilotti
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Thanks,
Sadly i cant do that until Monday as it is currently at the Land Rover Garage as it has been having it's track rod ends and some other bits and bobs done (i dont know exactly what - only the bill is big as there were computer problems with it!) and they hadn't got it finished by the time they closed at lunch earlier today. I know my trailer is big and heavy
my Disco 300TDI struggled to pull it (but she was on her way out anyway, i believe the man who bought her off me scrapped her!), the newer one i have now pulls fine (hate to say but a friend even borrowed my car and trailer to take a shire to and from the vets and it managed ok).
Thanks so much for your help
Sadly i cant do that until Monday as it is currently at the Land Rover Garage as it has been having it's track rod ends and some other bits and bobs done (i dont know exactly what - only the bill is big as there were computer problems with it!) and they hadn't got it finished by the time they closed at lunch earlier today. I know my trailer is big and heavy
my Disco 300TDI struggled to pull it (but she was on her way out anyway, i believe the man who bought her off me scrapped her!), the newer one i have now pulls fine (hate to say but a friend even borrowed my car and trailer to take a shire to and from the vets and it managed ok). Thanks so much for your help
ROG
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Got the V5 keepers form for the vehicle handy ?
luckilotti
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yep, got it right infront of me
ROG
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What does it say under
Max permissible mass = ???? kg
Max braked towing weight = ???? kg
luckilotti
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You'll love these answers....
Max permissible mass = Blank
Max braked towing weight = Blank
Infact, most of the sections are blank - all it does have in is the date of reg, make, model, body type, tax class, cc, fuel type, # of seats, wheelplan, vin, engine # and colour - all of the rest dont have anything next to them :/
Max permissible mass = Blank
Max braked towing weight = Blank
Infact, most of the sections are blank - all it does have in is the date of reg, make, model, body type, tax class, cc, fuel type, # of seats, wheelplan, vin, engine # and colour - all of the rest dont have anything next to them :/
ROG
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Oh great !!!! = I love DVLA ... not
We will have to wait until the plate can be read on the vehicle
luckilotti
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I bet if i got stopped and they checked my reg etc they would have all sorts of info listed that isnt on my V5C, i've just checked hubbys for his focus and his is also all blank!
SplashofSoy
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Hi ROG
I am just making sure i have everything right as i have never had a towing vehicle before. I looking at buying a SsangYong Korando SE which tows 2,000kg. I will be towing an Ifor Williams 510 with one horse so total weight about 1650kg at worst. I am on a BE licence (test passed last year) I have read about MAM trailer weights which for the ifor is 2600/2700kg and that you shouldn't tow with a car with less than that capability but then i don't believe that's correct and its just the total load being towed which matters.
Can you just tell me if i will be legal.
Thank you
I am just making sure i have everything right as i have never had a towing vehicle before. I looking at buying a SsangYong Korando SE which tows 2,000kg. I will be towing an Ifor Williams 510 with one horse so total weight about 1650kg at worst. I am on a BE licence (test passed last year) I have read about MAM trailer weights which for the ifor is 2600/2700kg and that you shouldn't tow with a car with less than that capability but then i don't believe that's correct and its just the total load being towed which matters.
Can you just tell me if i will be legal.
Thank you
ROG
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No law or rule which states that the towing capacity must be able to accommodate a trailer MAM but plenty of internet myths say otherwise
As long as the total actual weight you are towing does not exceed 2000 kg you are fine
2000 and 2600 so the lower figure is used as the max
Things are easier to work out on a B+E
SplashofSoy
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Thanks ROG. Didn't want to have to worry about downplating the trailer. So good to know I can get the new car and it will do what i want and tow my boy.
ROG
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The only reason for down plating on this site would be for B licence towing
There are certain commercial reasons for down plating but have never had to advise on those on this site
Buckskinspots
Active Member
Rog please can you explain this to me. On the link where it says passed after 1997 it say to tow a trailer over 750 kg mam the combined weight of the vehicle and trailer can't exceed 3500kg. No mention of mam of both unlike for licences after 2013
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car
ROG
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The dumb silly prats at the DVLA missed off the word MAM in error and they know it but refuse to change it
The word MAM is there in law - just not online
I say missed it off but it could be they copied that bit without MAM from a PDF where above that wording is the caveat - all weights refer to MAM weights - and that caveat has not been moved across to the online pages
The licence laws are the same for all no matter when they passed - be easier if they just showed what the current rules are without keeping old rules on the pages
Buckskinspots
Active Member
Ah I see, thank you for clarifying
daisy123
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Hi rog I've got myself a nice single cheval mare and foal trailer 1400kg arriving next week after been fully serviced. Thanks again for all your help can't wait to get out showing etc
ROG
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Hi rog I've got myself a nice single cheval mare and foal trailer 1400kg arriving next week after been fully serviced. Thanks again for all your help can't wait to get out showing etc
Nice one - have fun towing on your B licence
daisy123
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Oh I intend to after failing 2 b+e tests. Haha
ROG
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At least you have had some good training which prepares you for towing in general
now you can go at 30 mph in reverse with a trailer on .......... yes ? LOL
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daisy123
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That's what I thought not a complete waste of money as I know what I'm doing.. just I now need to tow with a horse instead of barrels of water in the trailer. Was good down bumpy roads it felt like a horse was throwing it's weight about. Haha. As for go backwards at 30mph I don't think I'll ever be that good lol