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[Masamf]

1 - B, B1
2 - 1471
3 - 2050
4 - Braked 1500
5 - 1025
6 - 675

Thank you

 

[ROG]

1 - B, B1
2 - 1471
3 - 2050
4 - Braked 1500
5 - 1025
6 - 675

Thank you

Is that the correct figure for number 5 ?

seems too low for a plated trailer MAM as it only leaves 350 for the trailer load

 

[Masamf]

Sorry not sure as I haven't actually got the trailer but this is what the Spec shows?

Trailer weight and capacity (Kg)

Gross weight Unladen weight Capacity
1700 675 1025

The Trailer is a Bateson Derby, if that's any help?

 

[ROG]

Sorry not sure as I haven't actually got the trailer but this is what the Spec shows?

Trailer weight and capacity (Kg)

Gross weight Unladen weight Capacity
1700 675 1025

The Trailer is a Bateson Derby, if that's any help?

It is 1700 MAM

To be legal you would need to contact Bateson, remove plate and then send them that with a tenner to have it down plated to 1450
They send you new plate to fix on

At 1450 it would have a max trailer load of 775 kgs (1450 - 675 = 775)

1450 + 2050 = 3500 = the legal max for B towing

If you only need the trailer to be loaded with a max of say 550 then I would down plate to 1300 so that if you got another tow vehicle in the future with a GVW of 2200 you would not need to down plate again

 

[Masamf]

Thank you for your help, my horse is only about 350kg so I have been saying 400 to be extra sure, therefore it sounds like I would be ok if I got the plate dropped to say 1,300 like you say?

 

[ROG]

Thank you for your help, my horse is only about 350kg so I have been saying 400 to be extra sure, therefore it sounds like I would be ok if I got the plate dropped to say 1,300 like you say?

I reckon you could down plate to 1200 if you wanted to as 1200 - 675 = 525 for trailer load and that means you can tow it with any vehicle which has a GVW of 2300 or less

 

[Masamf]

Great thank you so much for your help, it really has made it easier for me, no trailer test for me then Thank you again

 

[Gem Gill]

If someone hasn't already asked.... I have a lwb landrover 110. Ifor williams 510, how much horse can I add? Post 1997 licence. Have additional b+E test

 

[ROG]

If someone hasn't already asked.... I have a lwb landrover 110. Ifor williams 510, how much horse can I add? Post 1997 licence. Have additional b+E test

What are the weights ? .......

Landy GVW and GTW - top two figures on the weight plate OR max toaing weight listed on V5 form

I think the 510 is 920 empty and 2340 MAM ?

 

[dornrose]

What are the weights ? .......


I think the 510 is 920 empty and 2340 MAM ?

That's the weights for a 505 a 510 is 1000kgs empty and 2584 MAM

 

[ROG]

That's the weights for a 505 a 510 is 1000kgs empty and 2584 MAM

Ta - I was trying to do it from memory without checking !!

 

[Meandtheboys]

For a friend - who can actually supervise a 'L' driver before they take their trailer test , licence type and insurance restrictions ( apologies if in another response but I could not find one )

 

[ROG]

For a friend - who can actually supervise a 'L' driver before they take their trailer test , licence type and insurance restrictions ( apologies if in another response but I could not find one )

Are you looking for this ........

SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.

All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.

The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
The supervising driver does not need to be insured unless they are driving

 

[Meandtheboys]

Are you looking for this ........

SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.

All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.

The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
The supervising driver does not need to be insured unless they are driving

Perfect............

 

[Blackbeauts]

Hi all, I've tried searching through this thread but I am on my phone & it won't work. Could anyone help me with figuring out what I can tow please?

I have just bought an ifor 505 & a X Trail. I have looked under the bonnet & found the following numbers but I'm not entirely sure which one is which.

2170
4170
1 - 1180
2- 1170

The Ifor I think has a max gross weight of 2340 & 905 for unlaiden weight. I would only be towing one 500kg horse.

Currently I have a B licence but my insurance company will cover me to drive with a supervisor & L Plates until I do my test. Could I potentially down plate the trailer so that I could legally tow with my current licence?

 

[ROG]

Hi all, I've tried searching through this thread but I am on my phone & it won't work. Could anyone help me with figuring out what I can tow please?

I have just bought an ifor 505 & a X Trail. I have looked under the bonnet & found the following numbers but I'm not entirely sure which one is which.

2170
4170
1 - 1180
2- 1170

The Ifor I think has a max gross weight of 2340 & 905 for unlaiden weight. I would only be towing one 500kg horse.

Currently I have a B licence but my insurance company will cover me to drive with a supervisor & L Plates until I do my test. Could I potentially down plate the trailer so that I could legally tow with my current licence?

2170 is your vehicle GVW
your max actual weight towing capacity is 2000

On a B licence the max plated MAM for a trailer is 1330

If you down plated the 505 to 1330 it would only leave 425 for the trailer load/horse

Under B+E learner rules you can load 1095 into the trailer (2000 - 905 = 1095)

A lighter trailer such as a 401/3 down plated to 1330 would allow for a trailer load of 550 (1330 - 780 = 550)

 

[Blackbeauts]

2170 is your vehicle GVW
your max actual weight towing capacity is 2000

On a B licence the max plated MAM for a trailer is 1330

If you down plated the 505 to 1330 it would only leave 425 for the trailer load/horse

Under B+E learner rules you can load 1095 into the trailer (2000 - 905 = 1095)

A lighter trailer such as a 401/3 down plated to 1330 would allow for a trailer load of 550 (1330 - 780 = 550)

Thank-you Rog. There is so much conflicting advice all over the internet but you have made it really clear!

 

[gina2201]

Hvaing just sold my perfect towing vehicle (Range Rover!) to buy a daily driver including for work I'm looking at getting another vehicle purely for towing, considering an Audi A4 quattro (year approx 2004), figures as below - couldn't find the GVW so this may be incorrect but searched this thread and thought I came across it?

I will only need to tow one horse of 515kg (weighed on a weighbridge recently) however will probably end up doing my B+E test in the near future regardless of whether I am legal now or not for future proofing!

1 - B
2 – 1645kg
3 – 2120kg
4 – 2000kg
5 – 2340kg
6 – 905kg

many thanks

Gina

 

[ROG]

Hvaing just sold my perfect towing vehicle (Range Rover!) to buy a daily driver including for work I'm looking at getting another vehicle purely for towing, considering an Audi A4 quattro (year approx 2004), figures as below - couldn't find the GVW so this may be incorrect but searched this thread and thought I came across it?

I will only need to tow one horse of 515kg (weighed on a weighbridge recently) however will probably end up doing my B+E test in the near future regardless of whether I am legal now or not for future proofing!

1 - B
2 – 1645kg
3 – 2120kg
4 – 2000kg
5 – 2340kg
6 – 905kg

many thanks

Gina

Not legal at the moment

GVW looks about right at 2120 but to be certain the weight plate on the car needs finding - the top figure of the 4 listed is the GVW

With a GVW of 2120 then the max trailer MAM for B towing is 1380 so 2340 is too high

With a HB401/3 (weighs 780 empty) you could have it down plated by IW from 1600 to 1380 which leaves 600 for the trailer load

Down plating the current trailer will (weighs 905 empty) not work as it would leave only 475 for the trailer load

You need a lighter trailer

 

[gina2201]

I figured I would, looking at either a Bateson trailers which seem lighter or I just do my test anyway as I will no doubt end up buying another 4x4 down the line so would be worth me doing. At the moment my yard owner drives and tows us (passed pre 97) although we are not out and about much right now!

 

[ROG]

I figured I would, looking at either a Bateson trailers which seem lighter or I just do my test anyway as I will no doubt end up buying another 4x4 down the line so would be worth me doing. At the moment my yard owner drives and tows us (passed pre 97) although we are not out and about much right now!

You can tow with them next to you ............

SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.

All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.

The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
The supervising driver does not need to be insured unless they are driving

 

[neverenoughtea]

Hi ROG,

I've just bought a Ifor Williams 401 and plan to tow with my 2008 Honda CRV (2.2 Diesel).

Could you advise whether I am exempt from taking my trailer test (passed B test in 2004):


1 - What licence they hold - B or BE
B
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle
1350kg
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle
not entirely sure...
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle
2000kg
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres
1600kg
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer
770kg

Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/foru...come-to-HHO-Towing-Clinic#BT4B3zwrSERpQqrS.99

 

[neverenoughtea]

oh ps my horse is around 600kg

 

[ROG]

Hi ROG,

I've just bought a Ifor Williams 401 and plan to tow with my 2008 Honda CRV (2.2 Diesel).

Could you advise whether I am exempt from taking my trailer test (passed B test in 2004):


1 - What licence they hold - B or BE
B
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle
1350kg
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle
not entirely sure...
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle
2000kg
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres
1600kg
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer
770kg

Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/foru...come-to-HHO-Towing-Clinic#BT4B3zwrSERpQqrS.99

number 3 = 2160 according to this - http://www.autoevolution.com/cars/honda-cr-v-2007.html#aeng_honda-cr-v-2007-22-cdti but to be certain find the hidden weight plate under the bonnet or in a door frame and the top of the 4 figures is the GVW

At 2160 GVW the trailer will need down plating to a max of 1340 MAM from 1600 MAM by contacting IW
Down plating will mean removing trailer weight plate then sending it to IW with about £50 then IW send new plate back in post for you to fix on

How heavy is your horse ? = EDIT just seen its 600 so down plating to 1340 - 780 empty weight = max load of 560 !!!

Gonna need a vehicle with a lower GVW or a lighter trailer such as a Bateson Derby at 675 then plated at 1340 leaves 665 for the load

 

[Mark1892]

Hi ROG
Looking at buying an X Trail with an Ifor 505. I have B+E as well as C+E so I am OK but my wife passed her test in 1998 so only has B licence with B+E provisional. Towing one pony weighing 450 kg. Reading the above posts I'm guessing the max weight capacity of the trailer would push her over the 3500kg.

1 - B
2 - 1595 kg Unladen weight of X-trail
3 - 2170 GVW of the towing vehicle
4 - 2000 kg
5 - 2340 kg
6 - 905 kg

Would a Mondeo with 1576 kerb & 1800 kg towing capcity bring her under the weight or would she need a lightweight trailer too (downgraded or not) ? I don't mind driving most times but just incase.

Many thanks
Mark

 

[ROG]

Hi ROG
Looking at buying an X Trail with an Ifor 505. I have B+E as well as C+E so I am OK but my wife passed her test in 1998 so only has B licence with B+E provisional. Towing one pony weighing 450 kg. Reading the above posts I'm guessing the max weight capacity of the trailer would push her over the 3500kg.

1 - B
2 - 1595 kg Unladen weight of X-trail
3 - 2170 GVW of the towing vehicle
4 - 2000 kg
5 - 2340 kg
6 - 905 kg

Would a Mondeo with 1576 kerb & 1800 kg towing capcity bring her under the weight or would she need a lightweight trailer too (downgraded or not) ? I don't mind driving most times but just incase.

Many thanks
Mark

Over for B towing by 1010kg (4510-3500=1010)

Mondeo GVW needed but likely to be around 2100kg so still over

Wife can always drive with you in passenger seat under her current B+E provisional

A lightweight down plated trailer is the way to go if only needed for 1 horse
HB401/3
Bateson Derby
To name but a few trailers that would work down plated

 

[Mark1892]

Over for B towing by 1010kg (4510-3500=1010)

Mondeo GVW needed but likely to be around 2100kg so still over

Wife can always drive with you in passenger seat under her current B+E provisional

A lightweight down plated trailer is the way to go if only needed for 1 horse
HB401/3
Bateson Derby
To name but a few trailers that would work down plated

Thanks, looks like my weekends are going to be booked up from now until tow test is passed lol.

 

[ROG]

Thanks, looks like my weekends are going to be booked up from now until tow test is passed lol.

Always let the wife drive and reverse as that will reduce the need for lots of expensive training

See post number 2000 of this thread for loads more info

 

[Mark1892]

Always let the wife drive and reverse as that will reduce the need for lots of expensive training

See post number 2000 of this thread for loads more info

That will be the plan, thanks you've been a great help. Just one last thing.... If the maximum towing weight of a vehicle is only 2000kg, can you not tow an Ifor 505 with a 450 kg pony in (1355kg) because the maximum of that trailer is still 2340kg? Hence the reason for downgrading?

 

[ROG]

That will be the plan, thanks you've been a great help. Just one last thing.... If the maximum towing weight of a vehicle is only 2000kg, can you not tow an Ifor 505 with a 450 kg pony in (1355kg) because the maximum of that trailer is still 2340kg? Hence the reason for downgrading?

There is no law or rule which states that the towing capacity of a vehicle must be able to cope with the plated MAM of a trailer but there are plenty of internet myths stating otherwise !!

In the case you cited the max load for the trailer will be 2000 - 905 = 1095 kg