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SuperCat007 · 14 August 2016

VW Golf 2.0 TDI:

GVW: 1366 kg
Towing cap of the car: 1500 kg
GVW of trailer: about 1600 kg, unladen weight: around 750 kg
Horse is about 450 kg
I would need to down plate the trailer to 1200 kg to only be able to take the horse at that weight, but I could just down plate to 1400 kg and have some extra weight just in case??

ROG · 14 August 2016

SuperCat007 said:
VW Golf 2.0 TDI:

GVW: 1366 kg
Towing cap of the car: 1500 kg
GVW of trailer: about 1600 kg, unladen weight: around 750 kg
Horse is about 450 kg
I would need to down plate the trailer to 1200 kg to only be able to take the horse at that weight, but I could just down plate to 1400 kg and have some extra weight just in case??

GVW must be about 1800 ish - 1366 seems like an empty/unladen/mass in service weight

If on a B or B+E licence there is no need to down plate the trailer

I suspect this is a HB401/3 so 780 empty not 750 ?

For B licence towing the total MAM of 1800? + 1600 - 3400 so well under the 3500 limit

The max load for the trailer on any licence is 720 (1500 - 780 = 720)

lilly1 · 15 August 2016

Hi ROG,

I currently have a Freelander with a GVW of 2050 kg. I've got my eye on a single trailer (Requisite 75) which has a MAM of 1400kg. The unladen weight is 590kg so loads of payload. Am I correct in thinking I can legally tow with this combination on a B Licence as the MAM of both comes in at under 3500?

ROG · 15 August 2016

lilly1 said:
Hi ROG,

I currently have a Freelander with a GVW of 2050 kg. I've got my eye on a single trailer (Requisite 75) which has a MAM of 1400kg. The unladen weight is 590kg so loads of payload. Am I correct in thinking I can legally tow with this combination on a B Licence as the MAM of both comes in at under 3500?

Correct

SuperCat007 · 16 August 2016

ROG said:
GVW must be about 1800 ish - 1366 seems like an empty/unladen/mass in service weight

If on a B or B+E licence there is no need to down plate the trailer

I suspect this is a HB401/3 so 780 empty not 750 ?

For B licence towing the total MAM of 1800? + 1600 - 3400 so well under the 3500 limit

The max load for the trailer on any licence is 720 (1500 - 780 = 720)

Thanks ROG, I was looking at the Cheval Liberte one horse trailer which is about 750 kg. I will double check the weight of the car again, looking good though once I can afford the trailer and tow bar, and I avoid too much off road towing!!

ROG · 16 August 2016

According to cheval site the trailer is 720 empty and 1600 MAM

Leaves max GVW for vehicle of 1900 before down plating of trailer is needed for B towing

Sandstone1 · 16 August 2016

A hypothetical question, is it safe and indeed legal to travel two horses in a trailer nose to tail?
Front ramp, but not adapted in anyway.

ROG · 16 August 2016

Sandstone1 said:
A hypothetical question, is it safe and indeed legal to travel two horses in a trailer nose to tail?
Front ramp, but not adapted in anyway.

I cannot help as I only deal with towing vehicle + trailer weight/licence legalities so perhaps asking again with a new post will get more response

Sandstone1 · 16 August 2016

Ok, thanks just wondered.

lilly1 · 16 August 2016

Thank you

SuperCat007 · 19 August 2016

ROG said:
According to cheval site the trailer is 720 empty and 1600 MAM

Leaves max GVW for vehicle of 1900 before down plating of trailer is needed for B towing

So theoretically, I could tow the Ifor 505 which is 920 unladen and 2600 (I think) MAM. But that would leave me 580 kg to tow in the towing limit of the car. But I would need to downplate to at least 1500 kg to be legal on a B licence?

ROG · 19 August 2016

SuperCat007 said:
So theoretically, I could tow the Ifor 505 which is 920 unladen and 2600 (I think) MAM. But that would leave me 580 kg to tow in the towing limit of the car. But I would need to downplate to at least 1500 kg to be legal on a B licence?

You got it

SuperCat007 · 20 August 2016

ROG said:
You got it

Thank you. It's one of those things I keep thinking I've got and then I lose it again! I'm still not able to find a GVW of the car of over around 1366 kg, so I might have to take it to the local weighbridge for peace of mind!

ROG · 20 August 2016

SuperCat007 said:
Thank you. It's one of those things I keep thinking I've got and then I lose it again! I'm still not able to find a GVW of the car of over around 1366 kg, so I might have to take it to the local weighbridge for peace of mind!

Weighbridge will only give you the actual/empty/unladen/mass in service weight not the GVW

GVW is the max possible legal weight it can be when fully loaded

Find the weight plate hidden in the car which is usually under the bonnet or in a door frame - the GVW is the top of the four figures

GVW is also listed on the V5 keepers doc as MAX PERMISSIBLE WEIGHT

louiset07 · 23 August 2016

Not sure if this is the right place... I have an Ifor Williams HB511 - aim to tow one approx. 600kg horse. Is a Hyundai Sante Fe (58 plate) capable of doing so?

thanks and sorry if the wrong place!!

ROG · 23 August 2016

louiset07 said:
Not sure if this is the right place... I have an Ifor Williams HB511 - aim to tow one approx. 600kg horse. Is a Hyundai Sante Fe (58 plate) capable of doing so?

thanks and sorry if the wrong place!!

any help = http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/foru...nyone-tow-with-a-Hyundai-Santa-Fe-or-Frontera

What licence .... B or B+E ?

Got V5 keepers doc ? - if yes then what figures are listed for ..... Max permissible mass ? + max towing weight ?

louiset07 · 25 August 2016

ROG said:
any help = http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/foru...nyone-tow-with-a-Hyundai-Santa-Fe-or-Frontera

What licence .... B or B+E ?

Got V5 keepers doc ? - if yes then what figures are listed for ..... Max permissible mass ? + max towing weight ?

I did my trailer test at the start of this year.

Max towing weight is 2500kg... my maths tells me that the combined weight of the trailer (1000kg) and horse (600kg) totals 1600kg so that it would be absolutely fine? - am I correct in thinking this or is it more complicated than this?

ROG · 25 August 2016

louiset07 said:
I did my trailer test at the start of this year.

Max towing weight is 2500kg... my maths tells me that the combined weight of the trailer (1000kg) and horse (600kg) totals 1600kg so that it would be absolutely fine? - am I correct in thinking this or is it more complicated than this?

that is it - easy aint it

louiset07 · 25 August 2016

Love it!!! Thanks

rixtele · 27 August 2016

Hi hope you can help me too please. Here are my details:

1. BE
2. Don't know. Have a Mazda CX-5
3. Don't know. Have a Mazda CX-5
4. Believe it is 2000kg
5. Ifor 511 - 2400kg
6. 1000kg
Only want and need to tow my 17hh horse no others. I know poss on my limit. Horse weighs 600kg.

Am I legal?

Thanks in advance.

ROG · 27 August 2016

rixtele said:
Hi hope you can help me too please. Here are my details:

1. BE
2. Don't know. Have a Mazda CX-5
3. Don't know. Have a Mazda CX-5
4. Believe it is 2000kg
5. Ifor 511 - 2400kg
6. 1000kg
Only want and need to tow my 17hh horse no others. I know poss on my limit. Horse weighs 600kg.

Am I legal?

Thanks in advance.

https://carleasingmadesimple.com/data/mazda/cx-5/towing-weight-limit/ - if its one in that link then it could be 1800 or 2000 towing limit

Assuming it is a 2000 tow limit then you can load a max of 1000 into the trailer

rixtele · 28 August 2016

ROG said:
https://carleasingmadesimple.com/data/mazda/cx-5/towing-weight-limit/ - if its one in that link then it could be 1800 or 2000 towing limit

Assuming it is a 2000 tow limit then you can load a max of 1000 into the trailer

Thank you ROG - yes it is the 2000 tow limit. However what about the 85% recommended max towing limit? I *think* I'm just within that or v close with 600kg horse?

ROG · 28 August 2016

rixtele said:
Thank you ROG - yes it is the 2000 tow limit. However what about the 85% recommended max towing limit? I *think* I'm just within that or v close with 600kg horse?

The 85% advice thing is for caravans only due to their design

ROG · 2 October 2016

No posts in September ! - everyone must be sorted ..... bit boring for me though - LOL

tallyho! · 2 October 2016

It's the quiet before the storm Rog... just you wait... &#55357;&#56836;

CharlotteRS · 4 October 2016

Hi
I've been reading this thread with interest as I'm looking to buy a sinclair trailer to tow with my Ford Focus Estate. I'm been concerned about the trailers MAM as I was told if this is greater than the cars's towing capacity - even if I never reach the MAM - I can't legally tow. But Rog, you say this isn't true? Where do you get your info from? My instructor says otherwise!
Here are details:
1 - What licence they hold - B or BE - BE I think, I passed my test back in 1990
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle - is this mass in service? If so, it's 1359
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle - 18958
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle - 3295
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres 2000
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer " 700 (or poss 750 max)

Does this mean I am safe and legal to tow? Thanks loads

ROG · 4 October 2016

CharlotteRS said:
Hi
I've been reading this thread with interest as I'm looking to buy a sinclair trailer to tow with my Ford Focus Estate. I'm been concerned about the trailers MAM as I was told if this is greater than the cars's towing capacity - even if I never reach the MAM - I can't legally tow. But Rog, you say this isn't true? Where do you get your info from? My instructor says otherwise!
Here are details:
1 - What licence they hold - B or BE - BE I think, I passed my test back in 1990
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle - is this mass in service? If so, it's 1359
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle - 18958
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle - 3295
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres 2000
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer " 700 (or poss 750 max)

Does this mean I am safe and legal to tow? Thanks loads

Ask your instructor to show you the law that backs up what they say = they will not be able to because there is not one !
No law which states it is illegal then its legal by omission

You have BE
Do not think number 3 is supposed to be nearly 19 tonnes !

LEGAL Example
Vehicle towing capacity 2000
Trailer plated MAM 3500
Trailer empty 900
Max load for trailer = 1100

ROG · 4 October 2016

CharlotteRS said:
I'm been concerned about the trailers MAM as I was told if this is greater than the cars's towing capacity - even if I never reach the MAM - I can't legally tow. But Rog, you say this isn't true? Where do you get your info from? My instructor says otherwise!

Are you willing to give me the name or contact number of this instructor ?

CharlotteRS · 4 October 2016

Oops! no I didn't mean 19tonnes. I meant 1895. I'm a bit confused about your reply - the legal example you've given me is different from the figures I supplied...

And no I won't supply name of my instructor!!

ROG · 4 October 2016

CharlotteRS said:
Oops! no I didn't mean 19tonnes. I meant 1895. I'm a bit confused about your reply - the legal example you've given me is different from the figures I supplied...

And no I won't supply name of my instructor!!

I was hoping to educate the instructor on the law but never mind .....

Your figures etc
BE licence
GVW 1895
GTW 3295
Towing capacity (unless stated otherwise on V5 keeprs doc or in handbook) is 3295 minus 1895 = 1400
Trailer MAM 2000
Trailer empty 750
Max load for trailer is 650 (750+650=1400)

You can have a trailer plated at 3500 as long as the empty trailer plus the load do not total more than 1400

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