Well this is a can of worms

Big Ben said:
STAND BACK, seriously are you that stupid or are you deliberately trying to be insulting, which ever you have succeeded in making me very very angry..

LISTEN

WHEN DID I EVER SAY I AM NOT FAT????


Jezus, look, take a shire horse slim it right down, what do you have a TB? no, you have a trim and fit big boned horse.

Take me slim me down do you have an etheral super model waif, no you have a trim fit SHIRE HORSE, complete with hairy legs unless I am dedicated in removing them.

I AM NOT USING BEING BIG BONED AS AN EXCUSE FOR BEING FAT, I just recognize a simple truth I am not a TB, I come from years of peasant stock, and yes it shows in my behaviour as well as my build.

AND I have never use the world cuddly, the world doesn't owe me a damn thing, apart from recognizing that I am a PERSON, like everyone else a flawed, and less than perfect person, who sometimes thinks the only way that you are a winner is to keep fighting, and I am fighting.
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Big boned is absolute rubbish, IMO, it's such a poor founded excuse. There was a programme on a few months ago that hugely dispelled the "fat gene" argument also, with 9/10 "fat families" they surveyed not carrying it.

Most of us have had issues with wieght, whether it being too skinny or too big. The truth is that many people choose diets that the human body was never designed to work on. Too many processed, high salt/carb crap. Reassess your diet, reassess your life.

I still maintain that it is cruel to ride horses when you are that size.
 
Great post little fat pony.
And ditto yorksg, I'm the same, except its not intolerances that cause me to lose weight, its if for whatever reason I don't eat ridiculously large quantities of food.
 
RunToEarth said:
Big boned is absolute rubbish, IMO, it's such a poor founded excuse. There was a programme on a few months ago that hugely dispelled the "fat gene" argument also, with 9/10 "fat families" they surveyed not carrying it.
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Has headache from banging head against desk, maybe it is me using the wrong language, one more try then I am out of here.

I AM FAT/ OBESE, and I am not making excuses, I am trying very hard to change that.

I lost 140 pounds 2 years ago, so I CAN lose weight, but HEY GUESS WHAT, I was still not a waif, lets stop the big bone, because you don't seem to get that, lets try large framed, whatever I do I will not be sylph like, because I am large framed, so as I said I can get to be a beautifully proportioned LARGE FRAMED person.

I am not using that as any sort of excuse or shield, it is just fact.

We are not all built the same, different people have a different structure, so even when they have a perfectly toned body they will look different, and that is all I was trying to say.

Now I'm going to give up, because I obviously do not pssess teh skillls needs to expalin.
 
Karran said:
Off topic but what are they? The OH is rather fond of potato products but neither of us like spicy foods so we haven't tried.
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Basically, it's roasted potatoes.... Boiled and bashed first with some olive oil, then rained on with Bombay spice stuff you get form sainsburys, then given another good bashing in the pot before being transferred into a hot olive oiled pan to be sizzled to sublime crispiness.

Roasted chicken and a tomato and onion salsa.

It's not that spicy :D
 
Too spicy for the OH. Anything spicer than packet wedges would be discarded. He is very strict on his potato produce. :(

Although I believe his aroma's could battle yours from what I've learnt tonight!
 
tallyho! said:
Basically, it's roasted potatoes.... Boiled and bashed first with some olive oil, then rained on with Bombay spice stuff you get form sainsburys, then given another good bashing in the pot before being transferred into a hot olive oiled pan to be sizzled to sublime crispiness.

Roasted chicken and a tomato and onion salsa.

It's not that spicy :D
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Tallyho - you just made me, an anorexic, want to try some food, and thats saying something :D :D (minus the roasted chicken though, I'm a strict vegetarian :p )
 
Little Fat Pony said:
Tallyho - you just made me, an anorexic, want to try some food, and thats saying something :D :D (minus the roasted chicken though, I'm a strict vegetarian :p )
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I am a pro darling my sis was just like you :)xxx

Also, I am an unashamed nigella fan and more recently Lorraine pascalle.... I admit to switching *some* of the ingredients to low fat though.....

The amount of butter cooks use it's a wonder if they pooed once a week!
 
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RunToEarth said:
Big boned is absolute rubbish, IMO, it's such a poor founded excuse. There was a programme on a few months ago that hugely dispelled the "fat gene" argument also, with 9/10 "fat families" they surveyed not carrying it.

Most of us have had issues with wieght, whether it being too skinny or too big. The truth is that many people choose diets that the human body was never designed to work on. Too many processed, high salt/carb crap. Reassess your diet, reassess your life.

I still maintain that it is cruel to ride horses when you are that size.
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You are being a bit unfair to big Ben..she's not making excuses for being overweight she was pointing out that she has a large frame and hence will never achieve sylph like proportions. From what she's said she is trying hard to lose weight and get fit to ride. With regards to frame size. I am 5'5 " and at 10st can easily wear size 10. I have a friend who is the same height but at size 10 she will weight 8st 7lbs. I once went down to 8st and was in a size 6 ( not a good look.)
 
What on earth is the problem with big or small bones?! We accept that a shire has larger cannon bones than a tb, and they are also denser. A cob and a tb could be the same height, carrying the same amount of fat, be in the same work routine and they will weigh different weights. Why is it so 'out there' to apply the same logic to human skeletons? Surely that is one of the reasons why there is a healthy weight RANGE for each height?

My happy weight is right on the top border of the weight range for my height. I have been half a stone lighter and my ribs show, and I don't feel healthy. I believe that part of the reason why I am best off at the top of that range is that I don't have a small skeleton.

I'm not saying big bones are a good excuse to be fat. They are not. But some of us would look too skinny at a size 12, abd I'm pretty sure my skeleton alone has hips that wouldnt fit into size 8!
 
I think what most people are saying, is that they don't have any problems with overweight people. If this were a motorcycle forum, the issue would never come up! No one would say a thing unless someone was after dieting tips. The problem is that we are dealing with living beings, and they can suffer pain and fatigue when too much is asked of them. And this is not only when asked to carry too much weight.

It is up to each individual if they are overweight or not. Some are happy that way, others are deeply unhappy. But that does not mean that another creature, namely a horse should be made to carry their burden.
 
TrasaM said:
You are being a bit unfair to big Ben..she's not making excuses for being overweight she was pointing out that she has a large frame and hence will never achieve sylph like proportions. From what she's said she is trying hard to lose weight and get fit to ride. With regards to frame size. I am 5'5 " and at 10st can easily wear size 10. I have a friend who is the same height but at size 10 she will weight 8st 7lbs. I once went down to 8st and was in a size 6 ( not a good look.)
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Goes and cries in the corner, thank you, thank you for understanding what I was trying to say, that is it exactly.

http://www.keep-in-health.com/item/body_type_endomorph_mesomorph_ectomorph.html

Different builds of people, different shapes, different ways to get fit and healthy.
 
Like wagtail says if it weren't for the ponies, we would not be here arguing whether there are big boned people or small boned people in the world.

If horses were not involved would we even be arguing with each other?
 
Trasam has just highlighted the double standards in 'fat bashing' versus 'skinny' bashing. Why is 8stone & size 6 not a good look? Would it be ok to comment on people in plus sizes in the same way? Not having a go trasam, I know it wasn't meant as in insult or to be horrid, nor am I offended. It just highlights the difference in how personal comments on size are ok when its a thin person, but not when they're fat.
 
littlelegs said:
Trasam has just highlighted the double standards in 'fat bashing' versus 'skinny' bashing. Why is 8stone & size 6 not a good look? Would it be ok to comment on people in plus sizes in the same way? Not having a go trasam, I know it wasn't meant as in insult or to be horrid, nor am I offended. It just highlights the difference in how personal comments on size are ok when its a thin person, but not when they're fat.
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Trasam was merely mentioning that 8 stone and size 6 was not a good look for her, believe it or not, once again same as horses to skinny is not a good look.

Trouble is we are all focused on scales and numbers rather than accepting that everyone is different, and a perfect covering of flesh is different for different people.

To fat is bad and unhealthy, to thin is bad and unhealthy
 
littlelegs said:
Trasam has just highlighted the double standards in 'fat bashing' versus 'skinny' bashing. Why is 8stone & size 6 not a good look? Would it be ok to comment on people in plus sizes in the same way? Not having a go trasam, I know it wasn't meant as in insult or to be horrid, nor am I offended. It just highlights the difference in how personal comments on size are ok when its a thin person, but not when they're fat.
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I was not in a good place at the time and was very underweight, as in skeletal, for my frame. I know what you mean though as I was constantly being told how thin I was and it did used to annoy me. There are indeed double standards operating here.
 
tallyho! said:
If horses were not involved would we even be arguing with each other?
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I think we can safely say that no matter what we'll all still be arguing with each other. :D

Billie, respect! Have fun with your training. I went to do half an hour on the cross trainer after feeling bad for telling people they could and should lose weight whilst I sat on the couch eating curly fries. :o :o
 
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TrasaM said:
I was not in a good place at the time and was very underweight, as in skeletal, for my frame. I know what you mean though as I was constantly being told how thin I was and it did used to annoy me. There are indeed double standards operating here.
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It is annoying, even more so when they say how lucky you are! The 'you can eat anything and not put on weight' comments get a bit wearing.
 
I am a new member here. I caught wind of your interest in our Plus Size forum and the photos there, and the merriment, shock and disgust they caused here. And as the person who got caught on the horn of the western saddle of a bucking horse, I am happy to have provided much amusement , too.
To those who have never ridden in a western saddle, they might find it inconceivable , but it actually isn't that odd, considering that the horn sticks up something like 8 inches when you factor in the height of he pommel, too.
Then add to that a rearing horse and the need for the rider to lean way forward to avoid falling off, and you have a scenario for the pant (trousers, breeches whatever you want to call them) to get looped over the horn. Then a horse that then hits the ground bucking and it wasnt' nearly as much fun to experience as it was to tell.

True, if I did not have a belly, I'd be LESS likely to get hung up, but it could happen to a thinner person, too.

Just thought I'd put in a word in my own self defence.

That thread, by the way, is for the purpose of large sized riders to be able to show pictures of themselves and their horses. There are cases where I might think the rider IS too big for the horse they are on. But since they did not ask my opinion on that, I will not offer that critisism.

It's very hard for overweight people to feel ok about being seen in public, so this place is meant to be a "safe" place for those that are afraid to put themselves out on the line. Your thread only reinforces my impression that we did the right thing by creating such a sub-forum for these members. Many of these people do not ride very vigorously or frequently, so it might not be nearly as damaging to the horse as if they were hunting across the countryside.

AND, I will second the thoughts of folks who have already mentioned that a heavier rider , if well balanced and reasonably fit, can be much easier for the horse to carry than a thin person who is not capable of carrying their own weight well.

I weigh just over 200 lbs. I don't know how many stone that is. I would not subject my weight to a small horse, and indeed, the horse that bucked me is one that I would not ride for long, only at a walk/trot in good footing for a short time. He is about 15,2hh QH.. I now ride a 17hh Irish sport horse, and a 16 hh Appalousa. Both can carry me with ease. I am perfectly capable of trotting , cantering along the wooded trails for hours. Even though I am most certainly fluffy. It is really a matter of fitness and experience.

Some of the riders on our forum do need to be more fit, if only for their own safety. An unfit rider is more likely to fall and get hurt.

Oh, and one last thing. I am not capable of mounting from the ground. I am 54, fat and too many knee injuries. That does not make me ready to give up riding. I use a mounting block, always. works for me , not to mention, it is better for the horse to have the rider mount from a block or a pile of rocks or a log.

I welcome "fluffy" or just plump riders to join us on the Plus Size forum any day you like. We are an international bunch and always looking for more members, whatever size you may be.
 
i dont really care about the rest of the post as its decended into classic forum fun but CURVES ARE SEXY some one on her put that they are not but they are. you dont have to be fat or skinny to have curves but they are sexy. im a size 18 but when i was a size 8 my bum was almost as big as it is now.
currently my top half is a 16 and bottom is an 18, but when i was a size 8 on my top my bum was still a size 12.

i have seen skinny people with very sexy curves and larger people with sexy curves but equally u can get big and small people who are very up and down and tend to be more beautiful and stunning rather then sexy.

everyone is sexy, stunning and beautiful to someone
 
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I think I put the Kiss of Death on this thread. Real party pooper. Sorry, y'all.
here is me on the Irish draft I part lease.

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so, I don't yet know how to do photos. it's much easier on Horse forum. or "HoFo".

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ARGH! cannot get the right code from Photobucket. I am a technoidiot. help!
 
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Well Zeehorse AKA Threadkiller, you can't be that much of a techo idiot, I see you have an avatar, I haven't managed that, but then it's hard to squash a big horse and a big person into that little box
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