Well this is a can of worms

Fw- thanks for pm, on phone so can't reply.
Like a bp is required for that picture? Will bounce, literally. Maybe a new way of charting rider falls, in seismic waves. Could put a whole new twist on badminton too, falls at the water jump could be greeted with cries of '****, tsunami!'. Afaik, us sizes are two sizes smaller, so size 36.
 
Tnavas said:
Tallyho - the flap length is fone when considering a dressage saddle where the leg is straighter and when you have long legs its a pain when the top of your boot catches the bottom of the flap.

However this doesn't work when you are fitting a GP or jumping saddle where the thigh of the rider is more in front of the rider.

I have loong legs and a GP 17½" - when I take up my stirrups for jumping to a length I find comfortable and that provides me with a stable leg it pushes me back in the saddle as the forward cut is not enough with the seat size. A larger seat will give me more room between the centre of the seat and the front of the saddle to accomodate my long upper legs.
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Hi Tnavas, you can also get flaps custom made you know so you don't have to change seat size.

The reason people go up a size is because they buy off the shelf :)

I had mine made. My dressage and my GP. I too have what you call loong legs and my legs fit fine in 17" seat with slightly longer flaps in front for GP and down below for dressage. Flapping brilliant!!! :D:D:D:D

Gone are the days of me riding 17.3 hunters so I've downsized. When I downsized to a 15.3 short coupled jumping machine, I didn't have the luxury of extra back length so we did struggle with cheap ones for a while until I bit the bullet and had them made.

I don't really want to argue with you too, so, I'd like to leave it as that. You think one way, I think another. It works for me, it works for you. All happy :)
 
chrisritch said:
Its probably terrified of being eaten
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Was there a need to make such a derogatory comment, its not constructive and and I am lost for words.

WelshD said:
Whilst I agree with many comments on this thread (I am very large and wouldn't dream of riding a horse at anywhere near my current weight) I do think that some of the comments towards the people who bravely put their pics up on the US thread are a bit unfair, I hope to goodness none of them stumble across this thread :(
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This ^^^^

littlelegs said:
Tbh, I couldn't care less if they read any derogatory comments. Some of those pictures are downright cruel, & I couldn't give a flying **** about the feelings of someone who is cruel to an animal. If people insist on loading their gigantic lardy selves onto a horse blatantly far too small & causing suffering they can only expect people with decent morals to be offended. As it is, I'd be equally derogatory if it featured small slim adults riding 7hh minis.
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Gigantically lardy That kind of comment is just not ok, I understand your point I understand that you care about the horses but the way you have expressed your point sadness me.

rhino said:
I disagree. Obesity is very much the unspoken epidemic in this country; perhaps if it was more openly discussed/discussable then it wouldn't be as bad as it is now.

Turning a blind eye to it will never help. The fact is that people are getting bigger and heavier and at some point that will impact on the tack that is 'needed'.
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Rhino yet again another good post.......

I have posted a comment on that forum, along the lines of .....Its great to see so many plus sized people out there riding The only thing I would say from some of the pictures is please make sure your horse is suitable for your size. As I am sure no one would knowingly want to harm there horses back.

I have managed to get my point across but with out being derogatory.
 
Laura-C said:
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Huh??? In english, please, lorac_uk?
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I think she is referring to me when I said I have to take pills to avoid nausea. The pills that have enabled me to eat enough food to have the energy to do my job. The pills that have given me an insite to what it must be like to be a foodaholic. Shows that she has little compassion for people who are ill and rely on medication. Obviously, that makes me a pleb. :confused:
 
lorac_uk said:
Whoever you are madam, I am talking about the plebeian - (and YES I do know what it means and use the word freely and in context) - who thinks that people only ever put on weight because they eat too much- I don't know WHAT ill has befallen you to make you feel so inadequate that you have to try to bring others down, but I only hope that you find the pills you seem so keen to swallow by the mouthful, to make you feel human again; because being human enough to ride should be a major incentive!" Suzanne Wild, Designer & MD Fuller Fillies Limited.
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I presume you are referring to my post below?

Wagtail said:
What gets me, is that they do not feel ashamed or embarassed about it. If I was unfortunate enough to put on that much weight, there is no way I would sit on a horse, not only because I would feel cruel, but because I would worry about what other people would think. I have always been skinny until the past year when I was put onto some pills to help with my severe morning sickness (non pregnancy related). The pills give me a ravenous appetite and I piled on 20 pounds in 4 months. Okay, so that only took me to ten and a half stone, half a stone of which I have now lost. But I have, for the first time in my life had to deal with being a foodaholic. I totally get why these people cannot stop eating. It is REALLY HARD. I lost the half stone but it is a constant daily battle not to pile the weight back on. Of course, I could just come off the pills, and I tried that, but found that I couldn't function as my nausea had more than doubled in intensity. I don't mind staying on them though as they have completely stopped my migraines and my allergic itching. However, I now have rolls of fat that I never have had before and I HATE it. What I am saying, is that I know how hard it is to resist food when you are a foodie, but it can be done, and getting/staying slim enough to ride should be a major incentive.
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Here, I am actually saying that I understand what it is like to be unable to resist over eating. But this somehow makes me a 'plebeian'? Like it or not, in the vast majority of cases, people are overweight because they are eating more than they are using up. There are very few people who are overweight because of medication or other health reasons. If you go onto discussion boards for my own medication, you will see that loads of people have put on in excess of four stone. Some of them blame the medication and insist that they are not over eating. The others (including myself) say that they are putting on weight because the medication gives them a ravenous appetite. Guess which ones manage to lose the weight or stabilize their weight?

And you, as MD of Fuller Fillies, come on here and accuse someone who is on medication and simply sharing their experience of not being human? You should be ashamed of yourself. From the word human, comes the word HUMANE. You think it is absolutely fine for people who are far too heavy for their horses to carry on, without negative comment? What about the horses? I don't give a fig if I offend anyone who is doing this to their horses. I hate cruelty and this is cruelty, plain and simple. I am not talking about 17 - 18 stone men and women who are suitably mounted, but those hefty men and women, some of whom are 20 stone plus, thinking they have the right to inflict their bulk on some poor uncomplaining animal just because it doesn't stagger when they get on.
 
Armas said:
Was there a need to make such a derogatory comment, its not constructive and and I am lost for words.



This ^^^^



Gigantically lardy That kind of comment is just not ok, I understand your point I understand that you care about the horses but the way you have expressed your point sadness me.



Rhino yet again another good post.......

I have posted a comment on that forum, along the lines of .....Its great to see so many plus sized people out there riding The only thing I would say from some of the pictures is please make sure your horse is suitable for your size. As I am sure no one would knowingly want to harm there horses back.

I have managed to get my point across but with out being derogatory.
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I agree with that post there.
 
Wagtail said:
I presume you are referring to my post below?



Here, I am actually saying that I understand what it is like to be unable to resist over eating. But this somehow makes me a 'plebeian'? Like it or not, in the vast majority of cases, people are overweight because they are eating more than they are using up. There are very few people who are overweight because of medication or other health reasons. If you go onto discussion boards for my own medication, you will see that loads of people have put on in excess of four stone. Some of them blame the medication and insist that they are not over eating. The others (including myself) say that they are putting on weight because the medication gives them a ravenous appetite. Guess which ones manage to lose the weight or stabilize their weight?

And you, as MD of Fuller Fillies, come on here and accuse someone who is on medication and simply sharing their experience of not being human? You should be ashamed of yourself. From the word human, comes the word HUMANE. You think it is absolutely fine for people who are far too heavy for their horses to carry on, without negative comment? What about the horses? I don't give a fig if I offend anyone who is doing this to their horses. I hate cruelty and this is cruelty, plain and simple. I am not talking about 17 - 18 stone men and women who are suitably mounted, but those hefty men and women, some of whom are 20 stone plus, thinking they have the right to inflict their bulk on some poor uncomplaining animal just because it doesn't stagger when they get on.
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Quite right Wagtail. I know you and I sometimes have differences of opinion but to imply you're some kind of evil bully is just unfair :(
 
Armas said:
I have posted a comment on that forum, along the lines of .....Its great to see so many plus sized people out there riding The only thing I would say from some of the pictures is please make sure your horse is suitable for your size. As I am sure no one would knowingly want to harm there horses back.

I have managed to get my point across but with out being derogatory.
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I hope so, Armas. Sadly, I have found that those people most worried about whether their horse can comfortably carry them are not the ones who should really be worried! I fear that your comment will go right over the heads of those who are the worst offenders. :(
 
Well I am enjoying this , and Thankyou for the link to the FF page I was feeling decided lardey having bought some size 14 breeches and just returning from holiday .
Having looked the ff site I feel fab and have just had some toast before going to squish my horses
Thanks everyone
 
Well you know some of the people who make the most derogatory comments are people with weight issues.Have friend P who weighs about 15 to 16 stone and is about 5ft.4.She does in all fiarness have a good big weight carrying horse who I am sure has no trouble carrying her.However she once said to me that she wouldn't want any great fat lumps riding her horse! Excuse me?
 
jesstickle said:
And bitching about comments made by some poor innocent in relation to the news article posted too. She seems like a lovely piece of work. Good job I don't need to buy anything from her eh? ;)

I also love the fact that it must be ok because the Daily Fail says will accept a piece on it or something :p
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JT, you seem to be posting everything that I'm thinking this morning, but beating me to it. ;)
 
I totally agree wagtail. The worst offenders on that forum are completely oblivious to the fact their horses are too small for them. Some of those horses don't look capable of carrying 10 stone due to their conformation and lack of bone never mind 22 stone which I think is a conservative estimate for some of them.

Add to the fact the ill fitting tack. Well. I'm sorry but it's not right.
 
eahotson said:
Well you know some of the people who make the most derogatory comments are people with weight issues.
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Ive noticed that. Ive been on the receiving end of larger girls making snide comments on my weight/size, or lack of it. Seems to be OK that way round but if Id have been making 'fluffy' comments at them Id have been way out of order it seems.
I also object to the whole 'REAL' women thing you hear, ie on Fuller Fillies site, the implication you arent a real woman unless youre size 16 or over? What bollox.
 
Capriole said:
Ive noticed that. Ive been on the receiving end of larger girls making snide comments on my weight/size, or lack of it. Seems to be OK that way round but if Id have been making 'fluffy' comments at them Id have been way out of order it seems.
I also object to the whole 'REAL' women thing you hear, ie on Fuller Fillies site, the implication you arent a real woman unless youre size 16 or over? What bollox.
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Did you not see all the 'you can't be sexy if you are skinny' memes on there too :rolleyes: Who was it talking about prejudice again?

Wagtail yes they were referring to you, someone quoted your post saying it made them cry, and although Suzanne hasn't actually read the thread on here she decided that your 'bigotry' needed 'challenging' :rolleyes:
 
rhino said:
Did you not see all the 'you can't be sexy if you are skinny' memes on there too :rolleyes: Who was it talking about prejudice again?

Wagtail yes they were referring to you, someone quoted your post saying it made them cry, and although Suzanne hasn't actually read the thread on here she decided that your 'bigotry' needed 'challenging' :rolleyes:
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Can I have a link? Who is challenging bigotry?
 
It does not matter if your large skinny black or white...... It's not acceptable to insult some one because of the way they look.
There are ways and means of putting a point across without being derogatory.
 
as a company owner.. to get someone else to reply to a thread without you actually having read it just seems utter madness to me.
 
I've just read the facebook page and see someone was trying to put things into perspective (ie that we are talking about massively overweight people on that other forum riding totally unsuitable horses) only to be shot down. It does seem odd that my post is the one that has been highlighted, when actually, I think it is quite polite and trying to say that I do understand what it is like to be fighting against food cravings. There have been far blunter and ruder posts on here than mine. Just makes her look ignorant IMO.
 
Sigh. I suppose I should give up on trying to get an educated answer as to how 22" saddles are fitted, and relations to conformation, ie, back length v weight bearing capacity then....

I'd have thought with how meticulously this thread is being watched, someone could have enlightened more on the product as to how it was designed. Whether by a follow article, or whatever means.


*twaddles out*
 
I actually will defend my right to make comments like gigantic or lardy with reference to those riders who are cruelly inflicting themselves on too small horses. As I said, if it was someone slim doing something cruel, I'd make equally personal & offensive remarks. Not sure why its ok for some of the bigger riders to make derogatory comments about thin people but doing the same in return about bigger people isn't? I'd be the first to defend a heavier rider on a horse suitable for carrying them if someone made personal comments. But soon as someone does something cruel, their feelings no longer concern me.
 
littlelegs said:
I actually will defend my right to make comments like gigantic or lardy with reference to those riders who are cruelly inflicting themselves on too small horses. As I said, if it was someone slim doing something cruel, I'd make equally personal & offensive remarks. Not sure why its ok for some of the bigger riders to make derogatory comments about thin people but doing the same in return about bigger people isn't? I'd be the first to defend a heavier rider on a horse suitable for carrying them if someone made personal comments. But soon as someone does something cruel, their feelings no longer concern me.
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I think the fact that no one has button pushed shows that there is considerable support for you too! :)

ChristmasSparkles said:
Sigh. I suppose I should give up on trying to get an educated answer as to how 22" saddles are fitted, and relations to conformation, ie, back length v weight bearing capacity then....

I'd have thought with how meticulously this thread is being watched, someone could have enlightened more on the product as to how it was designed. Whether by a follow article, or whatever means.
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I do find it extremely odd, that the MD of a company cannot be bothered to read a thread discussing their products! On a forum which is arguably the largest horsey online community in the world. :confused:
 
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