Well this is a can of worms

Sam_1985 said:
I do think, no offence to anyone intended, that I have a member of the family who is a size 20-22 and she would not ride even if it was a stocky cob. I do think that a person of size 24 (as catered for by FF) is too heavy to be riding most horses. I would have thought that it would be motivation to lose the weight to be able to ride without putting the horse in danger in the meantime by riding it.
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I work with a lady who is a size 20/22 and she weighs just over 12 stone undressed. I know this for a fact, as I weigh her and buy her clothes! Clothes size is not a good guide to weight nor is 12 stone too much for many horses.
 
you know what? im just gonna keep my mouth shut. I accept there may be the odd exception but mostly a size 24 would weigh a lot more than 12 stone.
 
FionaM12 said:
I work with a lady who is a size 20/22 and she weighs just over 12 stone undressed. I know this for a fact, as I weigh her and buy her clothes! Clothes size is not a good guide to weight nor is 12 stone too much for many horses.
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well i have to take your word for that fiona as obviously this is someone you know so i will but have to say im surprised. once in my life i got up to 12 stone (eating disorders- my weight yo yo'd for a time - my bad :rolleyes:) and i was a size 14-16 at biggest.

you sure you scales are right? :D


edited to say ; apologies,. just saw wagtails post and id forgotten to take height into the equation and i am tall so perhaps that accounted for the difference in the clothe size/weight ratio
 
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Sorry, but if you are 23stone diet2ride, I agree with Wagtail, its cruel & selfish imo, no horse should carry that.
I'm not sure clothes sizing is an accurate guide to being too heavy to ride, there's too much variation in different brands & styles. Somewhere like ff with generous sizes, I'd imagine their 24 would fit someone several stones heavier than say someone who's a 20 in a shop with less generous sizing.
 
diet2ride said:
But Littlelegs you are missing the point. I'm not using my weight as an excuse to ride.

YOU are the one using the 'excuse of weight' to bash others in a derogatory way

What I am saying is how can you as adults make such rude and hurtful comments. based on a belief, 'your belief' that above a certain weight is too heavy for a horse.

you are of course fully entitled to your beliefs and to express them eloquently and with thought to others, this is always a good basis for discussion.

to make cruel jibes to another person because 'you Believe' them to be too heavy for their horse, is bullying.
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It's definitely not a belief. It's a fact. Fact is fact is fact and you did your own calculations which proved the fact you are too heavy. This statement is also just a fact and I have not written it with intent to bully anybody, especially not you.

But above what weight exactly do you believe IS too heavy?
 
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actually, going on the whole clothes size thing, it does depend on height etc too. the person i know is 5'9 and a size 20-22 - hence probably heavier than someone shorter but unless they are extremely short, weight would still be quite a lot.
 
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Sam_1985 said:
actually, going on the whole clothes size thing, it does depend on height etc too. the person i know is 5'9 and a size 20-22 - hence probably heavier than someone shorter but unless they are a proper midget, weight would still be quite a lot.
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Oh dear, this can of worms has just gone 3D.
 
Wagtail said:
I am sorry, diet2ride, but you are 23 stone. Add to that the saddle and your clothes and boots, hat etc, you are asking your beautiful horse to carry 25 stone. That is IMO cruel. That is 160 kilos. Add to this that your weight is very top heavy and unbalanced...
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As can be seen in the canter part of the video.

Diet2ride. I've been fat. Of course it's a choice. You don't see any obese folk in famine struck countries do you. The choice is eat less, weigh less, it doesn't matter what medical condition or what tablets you are on, it is a basic fact that if energy in exceeds energy out you will gain weight. I know this because my entire adult life has been a battle between what I want to eat and what size I want to be. I have never been proud of being fat, I hated every minute of it, hated shopping for clothes, hated having my picture taken. I would never ever have been in your video with my backside in hot pink jodhpurs because I was so ashamed to look at myself. I've never been bullied or really bothered about what anyone else thought it was more what I thought about it that counted.

I've lost 4 stones and now I am thin. It's still a struggle. I still want to eat more than I should and I want to eat junk food. Every day it is a choice.

I would not have ridden 4 stone over weight.

The other thing is if you are 5ft tall and your BMI is 32, you can weigh less than someone who is 6ft tall and just a bit over weight. It's not about the person it about the total weight the horse should be expected to carry. Do you really think that little Dancer mare should be carrying a 300lb + rider?
 
I'm going to refrain from particulars, having now viewed the you tube film. What I will say is that I'd rather an unknown person formed the personal opinion I'm rude, obnoxious, a bully etc as diet2ride called me, than have to live with the knowledge I had deliberately caused pain to an animal. And I don't believe any bs about why someone is obese has any bearing on their right to ride. I can't imagine any horse saying 'yeah, the extra weight isn't a problem cos they had a crap childhood, low self worth etc' all the horse knows is it hurts & has to struggle.
 
I've only watched the 'countdown to XC' and 'Canter on' videos so far, but that horse is not sound behind, I'm afraid :(
 
Sam_1985 said:
you know what? im just gonna keep my mouth shut. I accept there may be the odd exception but mostly a size 24 would weigh a lot more than 12 stone.
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Just come back and seen this. Sorry you took it personally, I was just pointing out that clothed size isn't an accurate measure of weight. No reason for you not to post! :)

Wagtail said:
I agree. This lady must be very short to only weigh 12 stone and be that size.
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She is short. :) Funnily enough I just bought a size 20 coat for another short very busty lady last week. The coat's a bit tight and the lady weighs under 10 stone!

lula said:
you sure your scales are right? :D
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Definitely. :) Both ladies' weight was confirmed on the doctors' surgery scales.


I'm not meaning to be picky, I'm just showing that manufacturing 20+ size riding clothes isn't really an issue itself. The onus surely is on the rider to make sure they are not too heavy for their horse. The issue is the rider's weight not what it says on the label.
 
Hollycatt said:
Have you considered they died first from liver problems????????
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I'm sure some have died from all sorts of problems which is extremely sad however I'm sure you will agree that not all obese people have liver problems making them thus. I do not have any medical problems at all although you could probably say I have an eating disorder if you wanted to be pedantic due to my relationship with food.

All of my family and most of my extended family have weight problems in various stages of control, all caused by over eating no one has any medical problems. (incidentally my daughter is not over weight and I have encouraged healthy eating habits in her to the enth degree)

I'm sure not everyone with liver problems is obese either.
 
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