Meowy Catkin
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Looking at my pony's passport, vet's also agreed she was a hand bigger than she is and that my friends Haflinger is Palomino, though
Someone needs to ask that vet where the Cremello Haflingers are hidden? :devilish:
what colour is this ?
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Someone needs to ask that vet where the Cremello Haflingers are hidden? :devilish:
Arizahn
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My boy, Connemara btw, is bay roan, I suspect with the countershading gene as he has a faint dorsal line. His sire is registered as dun, no idea about his dam yet colour wise. He is also determined to be huge, lol!
I own a pink pony with a reddish brown neck and black legs, essentially...
I own a pink pony with a reddish brown neck and black legs, essentially...
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Meowy Catkin
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One of the parents will be Roan.
Aru
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Shes an Irish dun ie a buckskin by genetics but will always be called dun for official reasons...
Very bad idea for a vet to put buckskin on a passport over here for a registered Connie as Buckskin is NOT recognised as an official colour within the Irish Connemara society....
What difference does having the genetic colour on the passport make though?its an identification document not a breeding statement.
The microchip and whorl markings are more important as the original foal colour on the passport can grey out anyway
Unless the vet take's an interest in the genetics of horse colour's and does extra research they are not going to be aware of the various in's and outs of the spectrum of horse colours. I like to learn them but its a personal interest.We are taught the basics and an overview of the various colours but with the emphasis on where it can cause issues like the lethal whites genes or undesirable traits like blue eyes in the connies but colours outside of the recognised ones for passporting are not exactly an important part of the syllabus.
ie a buckskin by genetics but will always be called dun for official reasons...Very bad idea for a vet to put buckskin on a passport over here for a registered Connie as Buckskin is NOT recognised as an official colour within the Irish Connemara society....
What difference does having the genetic colour on the passport make though?its an identification document not a breeding statement.
The microchip and whorl markings are more important as the original foal colour on the passport can grey out anyway
Unless the vet take's an interest in the genetics of horse colour's and does extra research they are not going to be aware of the various in's and outs of the spectrum of horse colours. I like to learn them but its a personal interest.We are taught the basics and an overview of the various colours but with the emphasis on where it can cause issues like the lethal whites genes or undesirable traits like blue eyes in the connies but colours outside of the recognised ones for passporting are not exactly an important part of the syllabus.
Capriole
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I've got one the whorl markings have changed on, since she was drawn as a foal. That's caused confusion!
Aru
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Theres another reason to appreciate microchips!I've got one the whorl markings have changed on, since she was drawn as a foal. That's caused confusion!
On that note unhandled foals are a joy to go searching for whorls on
I had great fun with a lovely solid brown firecracker of a foal lately trying to find five whorls without anyone man or beast getting hurt was interesting..and then he stood like a lamb and didnt even notice getting the chip..Horses are odd sometimes!Arizahn
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So his dam was probably roan, then? Cool. Yes, the breed society doesn't mention buckskin on its list of colours. Meh. As they say, a good horse is never a bad colour! Although mine will probably resent it if I call him pink!
Capriole
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It is! I showed the vet when she saw her as a 2 yo and she was scratching her head too. She did have completely mad whorls as a foal though, vet (or I!) had never seen whorls like hers and then she goes and moves them
Meowy Catkin
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Shes an Irish dun
Very bad idea for a vet to put buckskin on a passport over here for a registered Connie as Buckskin is NOT recognised as an official colour within the Irish Connemara society....
Well that's just ridiculous! :confused3:
A hell of a lot of difference, one is correct the other is wrong. Why would you want an official identification document to contain information that is wrong? Honestly, that's just nuts! :rolleyes3:
You should always be able to alter the colour if the foal does grey out - but the base colour will stay the same. Any grey foal will have a grey parent (or two) so that's a big clue that the foal might grey out right there.
If it's part of their job to fill in official identification forms, they should flipping well be able to do it accurately.
Having blue eyes not allowed in a breed with the cream gene is also silly. But I get the feeling that the breed rules are not logical.
The sooner a DNA test is required to go with the passport the better. The current situation is a mess.
Arizahn
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My boy has his DNA recorded, it seems to be required by the breed society, just to add confusion!
Meowy Catkin
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Possibly they just checked the parentage like the AHS does. A full DNA profile would be much better.
Arizahn
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I think I will get him tested at some point out of interest
Capriole
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My purebreds are DNA recorded but the part breds don't need to be. Not colour tested as a requirement though.
I do send samples off for colour testing on the ones it matters with. I haven't on the one I mentioned to you Faracat as it's a bit more than the usual cost and she's sold anyway, but if I get some spare £ I might do it for interests sake as I would like to know.
I do send samples off for colour testing on the ones it matters with. I haven't on the one I mentioned to you Faracat as it's a bit more than the usual cost and she's sold anyway, but if I get some spare £ I might do it for interests sake as I would like to know.
Meowy Catkin
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If you do - please let me know the result.
ester
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Interestingly if I look at franks pedigree there is a Sabino and a buckskin in the 1930s. Don't know if they were changed at a later date though? There is still a dun too.
oldie48
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Yes very possibly, he's halfTB 1/4warmblood and1/4 peruvian Paso. I'll put a pic of him on.He could be Seal brown - a lot of people mix that up with dark bay.
Like this -
Meowy Catkin
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What an interesting mix - he sounds super.
RE my little rant at the Irish Connemara Society - they aren't the only breed society that needs to update it's rules.
There were some posts on here a while ago about a roany (Blagdon style) Sabino Shire that was repassported/registered as Grey because Sabino isn't an allowed colour. That is very misleading (no it's just dishonest) to the people who book their mares to the Stallion hoping for a grey foal - which I'm told is very desirable.
Sabino is so common in Shires, look at how many of them have jagged edges to their white markings. They either need to stick to their rules (and don't accept too much roaning on the body) or change the rules to accept the colour. Eitherway DNA colour testing would really help, so everyone is forced to be honest and the information is easily available to mare owners.
The AHS also has a rule that Arabs must have black skin. Again this is another breed that has Sabino in it's various forms. Every nown and again, you are going to get a horse with two copies of sabino1 and the horse will be a maximum sabino (white with pink skin).
It seems the HHO old fogies aren't old enough then!
It would be interesting to see if those terms fell out of fashion before being brought back with the advent of DNA identification and naming of colour genes.
ester
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Capriole
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DabDab
Ah mud, splendid
That's really interesting, because actually I was taught Buckskin as a colour when I was younger and it was used to describe horses that were really creamy in the body rather than the slightly darker dun. It drove me mad as a kid because I could never draw a line between where dun stopped and buckskin started.
oldie48
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Hi faracat, this is his summer coat, he looks a lot darker in winter. What colour would you say he is.
thanks.
purplerain
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Clanmill Majorette has been DNA tested positive for Dun. She is for sure a chestnut dun.
http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/983589_10151606859102230_1639576200_n.jpg
I believe she is still the only Welsh pony positively tested for dun in the UK, although there are a few other candidates that look dun (chestnut dun and bay dun) that have not yet been tested. All but one I believe are related to Majorette. The dun gene is thought to go back to Cribban lines.
For me this shows the importance of including true genetic colour on the passport. It's hard to trace back where the dun gene appeared when buckskins are also described as dun, and greys are merely listed as grey with no base colour.
For further information on duns in the Welsh breeds see the FB group Colour Genetics in Welsh Ponies and Cobs (http://www.facebook.com/groups/240695516045880/)
ester
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It would be interesting to see the other half of her pedigree though .
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Meowy Catkin
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Hi faracat, this is his summer coat, he looks a lot darker in winter. What colour would you say he is.
thanks.
In his winter coat, does he still have the brown muzzle? Like this -
If yes, then I think that he is Seal Brown rather than dark bay.
oldie48
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In his winter coat, does he still have the brown muzzle? Like this -
If yes, then I think that he is Seal Brown rather than dark bay.
Yes, just like that, so seal brown it is. Many thanks. At least his passport is correct in that it states brown rather than bay.
Meowy Catkin
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Yes - a Gold Star to whoever filled that passport in!
DabDab
Ah mud, splendid
btw Oldie, your horse is stunning
Capriole
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purplerain
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It would be interesting to see the other half of her pedigree though
That's the problem with allbreedpedigree - it's only as complete as the data entered into it...
purplerain
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It would be interesting to see the other half of her pedigree though
It's a bit more informative now
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ind...L+MAJORETTE&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=