McFluff
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Poor horse - it's eyes are showing tension and worry - it is so sad that there is still so much focus on the front end. It's also (IMO) a really ugly picture - with the back end trailing out behind.
What is the obsession..
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ester
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I don't think I can take seriously someone who films their crotch quite so much...
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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milliepops
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*snort*
his tiktok channel has reminded me why i'm not on tiktok, haha. He's quite fond of himself I think. I feel very old, i don't get the yoof these days
his tiktok channel has reminded me why i'm not on tiktok, haha. He's quite fond of himself I think. I feel very old, i don't get the yoof these days
ester
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only quite?
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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*snort*
his tiktok channel has reminded me why i'm not on tiktok, haha. He's quite fond of himself I think. I feel very old, i don't get the yoof these days
It's great for funny dog videos though!
milliepops
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is it worth it though, when you find accounts like that?! i'll just let FB algorithms dig up funny dog videos for me i think!!
Bless him. I am sure he thinks it's building a brand or something. Oh god I'm a patronising middle aged person now. Sorry young people!
Flowerofthefen
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We currently have a trainer in our area. He posts regular updates of his training clinics and 95% are behind the vertical. Not a great ad in my eyes!
milliepops
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moving away from the rider in the OP i do think we can get hung up on BTV when it's one small part of a training whole, it's not the worst thing that can happen during the training process if it's understood and recognised as being a journey and not the finished article or the end goal. i think many riders would say sometimes you ride the horse a bit deeper to help with submission or suppleness (deliberate) or the horse dips down because its understanding of the contact or strength etc isn't right there all the time (accidental).
I think vanishingly few people could say they have the horse in the textbook frame 100% of the time and so anyone who posts content of horses or riders *doing learning* including top pros is likely to include a bit of BTV, as well as a bit of hollowing, some not perfect rhythm and various other faults. it's just the BTV is so easy to see that it catches the eye.
for the avoidance of doubt I'm not condoning flexing your biceps and rollkuring your horse, tbf i don't think that's what this guy is doing regardless of my personal opinions of his SM presence but anyway. I guess for me putting stuff on the internet is not the same as saying look at my finished article, this is perfection. it's not that we shouldn't be able to critique stuff, but we also shouldn't assume that people think they've got it nailed when they post stuff online.
I think vanishingly few people could say they have the horse in the textbook frame 100% of the time and so anyone who posts content of horses or riders *doing learning* including top pros is likely to include a bit of BTV, as well as a bit of hollowing, some not perfect rhythm and various other faults. it's just the BTV is so easy to see that it catches the eye.
for the avoidance of doubt I'm not condoning flexing your biceps and rollkuring your horse, tbf i don't think that's what this guy is doing regardless of my personal opinions of his SM presence but anyway. I guess for me putting stuff on the internet is not the same as saying look at my finished article, this is perfection. it's not that we shouldn't be able to critique stuff, but we also shouldn't assume that people think they've got it nailed when they post stuff online.
Antw23uk
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I didnt really understand (or want to) what tiktox was ... i cant undo what ive just seen! Note to self, DO NOT CLICK ON LINKS!!! Horrendous people! I feel violated!
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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I don't disagree at all with what you're saying - solid unmoving hands aside, it is all part of a learning process and will happen inadvertantly, and some of his other content looks much better. However, he hasn't said anywhere that this isn't the finished article, and were I a 14 year old budding equestrian I would see this video looking flashy, with an 'attractive' young man, advertising a business and lots of adoring comments and I would then quite possibly start over bending pony at home thinking that this is the desired result and so a new btv rider is born.. If it's a blip or the horse is in training, use another clip or say so - don't post it with a motivational quote underneath as advertising.
Should everyone who posts things online be responsible for what young people may think? Quite possibly if his clear intention is to build a brand or become an 'influencer'.
milliepops
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Hmmmm I don't know, I think the parents of the budding 14 yo equestrian ought to take them for some lessons with a good trainer tbh, then they will be able to form their own judgement of various influencers.
People see content from all sources, i don't think you should have to put a health warning on all content "by the way I'm not 100% perfect in all ways so don't remotely copy anything"... kids should be taught how to watch stuff critically. that applies in all walks of life. does this journalist have an agenda? is this advert total guff...?
People see content from all sources, i don't think you should have to put a health warning on all content "by the way I'm not 100% perfect in all ways so don't remotely copy anything"... kids should be taught how to watch stuff critically. that applies in all walks of life. does this journalist have an agenda? is this advert total guff...?
milliepops
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btw is it thought that influencers are meant to be honest and transparent? aren't they all selling us something - whether that's products or their personality? like vacuous celebrities, photoshopping themselves into unrecognisable aspirational images, they never say "my bum doesn't really look like this, don't worry" do they? i don't get why equestrian influencers would be any different. Even when they say they're posting warts n all their warts look a lot different to mine the whole idea is a turn off, to me, but I'm clearly not the target market
the whole idea is a turn off, to me, but I'm clearly not the target market
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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Very good point, well made - I don't disagree.
btw is it thought that influencers are meant to be honest and transparent? aren't they all selling us something - whether that's products or their personality? like vacuous celebrities, photoshopping themselves into unrecognisable aspirational images, they never say "my bum doesn't really look like this, don't worry" do they? i don't get why equestrian influencers would be any different. Even when they say they're posting warts n all their warts look a lot different to mine
Because equine influencers are dealing with practises relating to a living, breathing animal that can't always fight it's own corner. Whereas if you want to go and subject yourself to a Brazlian Bum Lift because one of TOWIE has posted their rump on Instagram then more fool you.
LEC
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They will just learn to be more discerning what they put out there. The top riders are absolutely paranoid about videos and photos that appear on social media and for good reason as image is everything. I saw a video of Charlotte on a younger freestyle a few years ago where she made some sharp corrections to how the horse was going and that video disappeared in 10 mins after being posted.
Its just a bit of crappy riding when the majority of it looks fine but too busy being an 'influencer' don't cha know to thinking about ultimately the longevity of their business which actually will thrive due to being a good rider not just showboating about making stylised videos.
Its just a bit of crappy riding when the majority of it looks fine but too busy being an 'influencer' don't cha know to thinking about ultimately the longevity of their business which actually will thrive due to being a good rider not just showboating about making stylised videos.
milliepops
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i guess i just think if one says that someone who makes a living from horses has to fall over themselves to point out that every photo or video is a WIP (and that would apply up to the Jessica von Bredow Werndls of the world, because GP horses are also WIPs) then it's a slippery slope to you and me also having to do the same to justify the non-perfection in case a young person see it... and actually does that help at all? or does it just kill social media as a THING.
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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I see what you're saying but I wouldn't consider a caveat at the bottom of a video on Instagram saying 'horse is btv as we are still finding balance in this movement - please bare in mind s/he is a wip' as falling over myself to defend things. A 3 minute section of video with a few btv moments wouldn't need one, as it's obvious that it's a moment in time, a 5 second video advertising a business I would consider different as you kind of assume it's considered the best section of recording that day - same as any short video selected for social media if less than 30 seconds or so, you think you would chose the best reflection of the days schooling rather than a bit where the horse dipped behind the contact or similar
shortstuff99
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Other social media influencers do already have to regulate, they have to say whether it is a product placement/advert (or get fined). They do also have to say not do do something at home and other videos are being removed for containing harmful content (pushing diet pills for eg), so it wouldn't be outside the realms of possibility for it to happen in the horse world.
LEC
Opinions are like bum holes, everyone has one.
The top guys don't show WIP. They show young horse doing it well and boom out they come a year later at few levels higher doing it well again. Olivia thingy jobby does a good balance of showing WIP but keeping it curated so it is possible. I guess where she has been going so long with it all now people have bought into her journey and she shows she really cares for the horses. I do think its possible to get a balance. The eventing ones are so dull. Not inspirational in the slightest but then again they hit mass market so it probably makes them more money. I am fed up with the amount of product placement now. Wish they would spend as much effort on their riding as they do their marketing and TV shows.
milliepops
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i rarely put videos online these days and i notice other people saying the same so i guess some amateur riders are already feeling the same way. everyone's a critic and I just find the need to publically state *i know it's not perfect* a bit tiresome.
milliepops
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not on SM but they do IRL - at a show, you are not seeing a horse that the rider has deemed perfect, you are seeing one they have deemed at a level of readiness to compete at that level which is very different. that's what I mean, yet so many get ripped apart for mistakes that the rider will be acutely aware of and would not deny. The way some people pick apart mistakes on SM would make you think the rider had no idea that they weren't god's gift to dressage.
LEC
Opinions are like bum holes, everyone has one.
I went through a stage on HHO of putting warts and all on recently then backtracked. Problem, is I find it interesting watching others and thinking about what is right/wrong and how I would approach the issues so then do I then stop the same happening? I also love a good discussion about stuff because then it provokes thoughts and some of the best learning. I am very lucky to have serious professionals/very experienced riders as very good friends, many who I met through HHO to have this kind of discussion often philosophical as well as practical. Gosh, I am chatty today for me.
milliepops
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yeah agreed. if there was a way of having a "safe space" for it then people would probably do more of it. I never mind people watching me ride, where i train people are invited/encouraged to watch each other and that is as close to a safe space as i think you can get, because the only person getting the actual video is the rider if they have someone to film them, and everyone else is hearing the whole process to inform their understanding of what they're seeing. you might still disagree but it's a good place to chew things over without it going negative. so i just do it IRL now. i suppose it goes a bit echo chambery around one trainer like that, but many people train elsewhere alongside.
Ratface
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"Where it ain't, you can't find it " as my granny used to say. The rider may need an osteopath at sometime in the future?
teapot
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I popped a pic up on insta on Sat, horse is working well but in front of vertical, with my wonky body/lower leg, and without thinking I put the caveat of first ride in four months blah blah. I was pleased with how he was looking after 50mins given I'd started with ears in my face, but to the social meedja crowd, it'll look crap.
Everyone wants finished product, not seeing or partaking in the actual effort involved I feel, which may be why standards are dropping...
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I think he comes across an arrogant tit from his social media tbh ....
milliepops
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yeah, like, i'm very happy with how my horse is working at the moment but the way we've overcome a ginormous training hump this year is not textbook ( horses don't read textbooks
) and so i hesitate to share it with anyone other than trusted inner circle which is a shame. because mine won't be the only one who has struggled with this stuff and it's interesting to chew stuff over in a constructive way instead of a dogmatic "it must be like the books say" way but there we go. SM is great in many ways and I'm an enthusiastic if slightly old fangled user, but you have to protect yourself.
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
I wish horses showing they are stressed were marked down more in tests. Tails windmilling throughout the test is something I really hate to see.
stangs
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Had a glance through his tiktok, and the main impression I got of it was that he understands well the boy craziness among young horse girls and takes advantage of it as a marketing strategy. Otherwise why have all those videos talking about being attracted to horse girls?
Watching him on that bay does makes me very uncomfortable though. I appreciate that a young horse may fall behind the vertical at times, but there's a considerable difference between that and the head remaining in that position with firm rider hands. Plus, if it's a marketing style video with a caption like "I'm a better rider than you", it's definitely not trying to express that the video shows a horse still learning.
Also isn't horse riding sexualised enough without jokes about using schooling whips in the bedroom?
Watching him on that bay does makes me very uncomfortable though. I appreciate that a young horse may fall behind the vertical at times, but there's a considerable difference between that and the head remaining in that position with firm rider hands. Plus, if it's a marketing style video with a caption like "I'm a better rider than you", it's definitely not trying to express that the video shows a horse still learning.
Also isn't horse riding sexualised enough without jokes about using schooling whips in the bedroom?
Birker2020
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Dreadful, poor horse is all I can say. And stupid rider for being a) ignorant and b) not wearing a hat.