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Hi I'm new and I have a bit of a problem, I was wondering if anyone could help.

So basically I agreed to swap horses with a good friend of mine, she wanted my perfect little pony who I'd sadly outgrown for her daughter and I needed a nice, safe, steady horse to get my confidence back on. She gave me a sweet 16.2hh, 12 year old, friesian cross who she said was really nice to ride, easy to handle, ect.

The mare she's given me has been a broodmare for the past 5 years and was occasionally ridden in that time, so I rode her before we did the swap and I wasn't that comfortable on her but because I wanted everyone else to be happy I went along with it as always. I did tell people that I wasn't too comfortable with her but they said 'Oh don't worry you'll get used to her' but now she's just horrible and not what my friend said at all. She is pushy, has no breaks and tries to take off with me, today she kicked me because I wouldn't let her out of the stable.

The deal was that if either horse turned out to be not as the owner said then we would just swap back but my mum doesn't want my pony back because the woman has just ruined her, she's gone lame but apparently still able to be ridden, she's in a field with a gelding who is constantly beating her up and then I went to go and take her for a goodbye hack a few days ago and she went crazy. We haven't managed to swap passports yet so legally I don't own the broodmare and she doesn't own the pony.

I've talked to another friend and she said that I could give the broodmare back and get the cost of the pony but I doubt that's true. So can anyone give me any idea of what I can do or where I stand legally?

Thanks also sorry if this is in the wrong place
 
passport i NOT proof of ownership

send mare back get pony back, what else are you going to do? get pony right and look at selling or loaning pony to get a replacement that you spend a bit more time getting to know
 
I didn't think a passport isn't proof of ownership??

Legally it is a civil matter so not a lot. No money has changed hands as a sale. Give the fresian back, get your pony back and find something more suitable.
 
Unless there's a signed agreement, would say not much except both have your legally owned animals back. You could offer to return her horse and sell the pony to them if they want to keep her?
 
I don't mean to sound harsh but if someone has ruined your pony and has made it lame I would be more concerned about getting it back and sorting it out! Clearly the swap hasn't worked and if you haven't swapped passports I would demand your pony back and they have their horse back!

your poor pony can not be left with people like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
When you say she's gone lame but still able to be ridden, I take it you mean, ridden once she's recovered as lameness isn't a permanent lameness, not ridden whilst lame?
 
Sorry I might be wrong about the passport but I've always been told that the passport was proof of ownership.

My mum doesn't want the pony back but she doesn't want the mare either because she's just making me worse and then my grandad won't let us sell the broodmare because he's convinced that I can do something with her and no matter how many time I try to explain that I just need a sensible cob or something he doesn't understand. He keeps on pushing me to do things that I don't want to do with her like he's told me that I have to be riding her by Monday otherwise having her at a yard is pointless and she can just go back to the field.
 
I'd get your pony back and get it right again then sell it

You can't really have it both ways, they could equally argue that you have ruined their horse

A ex brood are not ridden regularly for five years isn't a guaranteed safe and steady horse so the plan was not exactly a good one in the first place

I'd get your pony back and move on
 
-fingers and toes crossed this is a troll post-

Your horse is lame and ruined and your not taking him back ?! I'm sorry I would be boxing up mare taking her round and swapping for your horse !!
 
sorry but passport is most definitely NOT proof of ownership, it's a record of a horse to identify it and register the drugs it has been administered
 
tessybear said:
-fingers and toes crossed this is a troll post-

Your horse is lame and ruined and your not taking him back ?! I'm sorry I would be boxing up mare taking her round and swapping for your horse !!
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THANK GOODNESS, someone else with my view!

I'd be kicking off if someone had ruin my beloved pony! and quite frankly I'm disgusted that this is a 2nd thought! maybe this person shouldn't have a horse at all if they are happy to leave it in a home that is riding it lame!
 
Well she went lame the first week she had her and was lame for about 2 weeks, she wasn't ridden for a few days but the girl is 10 and really really wanted to ride so her mum let her ride when the horse was lame. Then I believe she went lame yesterday or the day before and I walked passed the field to see her being ridden while lame again.

Sorry that I'm not very clear with some things
 
I'm hoping you are young op..... If so your parents need to act here, tell them by law as the owners they are still responsible for the pony.
 
Look I'm sorry if you think I shouldn't have a horse but you have no right to say that I don't care about my pony. I've had her since she was 3 and I broke her myself so don't you dare say that I'm happy to let her suffer, it is killing me that she's gone to people like this but I can't force my parents to take back a horse they don't want. I told this woman exactly what to do with my pony before she took her but she ignored me, I told her that Poppet doesn't like being with other horses and she gets really jealous so she's better off alone or at a yard where the horses are separated, I told her that you don't have to spend time with her everyday but if she just made sure she was alright and not injured ect it would be fine but why should she listen to a 15 year old who obviously doesn't know anything?
I've tried to get my pony back but I can't, the woman is ignoring me now and my parents don't want the pony back. Don't you dare say that I'm happy about this situation and don't you dare say that I don't deserve a horse because I worked damn hard to get what I want. What am I supposed to do?
 
Then I suggest that your mother reads this post and to see what she is doing is completely and utterly disgusting!

All I care about is that there is a pony suffering and being ridden lame, if I knew where this horse was I'd go and pick to poor thing up myself or call the RSPCA

DISGUSTING SITUATION
 
Regardless of if your parents want the pony or not, she is your responsibility and like it or not, BOTH horses are suffering as they are not in the right hands to be cared for properly.

The swap isn't working.
End of swap.

I hope you go and get your pony, and soon before any more damage is done.
 
You should have looked into this a bit better and tried horse more.

Id say sell mare and get a horse for what you want.
But because you think pony is lame and ruined and obviously feel sorry maybe go back to woman and arrange to swap back.

Maybe just give the mare a bit of time to settle and get back into work again.
 
Ready more of the thread. how can you say you care so much for your pony but you didn't check people out properly.

This must be a wind up.
If not, no, you don't deserve a horse. Your parents/grandparents are just as bad.
Think of the horses.
Do your research and do thing properly.
This was destined to go wrong from the start.
 
How old are you? :)

It's very difficult to tell your parents/grandparents what to do when you are a child.
I think some of the posters are being a little judgemental.

Yes, you should OBVIOUSLY just swap back and sort your pony out. And yes, with hindsight it was a bad idea to swap for a hardly ridden brood mare.

You need to convince your mum that you need to swap back, sort your pony out, sell it then get something suitable for yourself.
That's what you need to do - now you need to work out how best to do it :)
 
Are you not listening to me?
I want my pony back but I can't force my parents into doing something they don't want. I trusted this family so much, I've left the pony with them while I've been away, I've done work with many of this woman's horses and they've always been in a good condition but I'm sorry I should have doubted this person I've known and worked for for the last 7 years I mean why should I trust them? If I could go and just take my pony back I would but I can't. What don't you understand?
 
Sorry Patterdale I didn't see your post, I am 15 and my grandfather is very set in his ways and obviously thinks that he knows what is best as he is older but when it comes to horses he really doesn't. I don't have the confidence to fix either horse and I can't afford to pay someone else to do it.
 
Oh dear - here we go. If its true, poor unwanted lame little pony, your original post didnt sound very concerned about the pony, more regret at you own lack of judgement taking the brood mare on. If its not true and all is just a figment of your imagination, shame on you.
 
I hate the way everyone is so quick to jump to the conclusion that it's a troll post when they read things they don't like! Sometimes people make mistakes!

OP I think you did make a mistake, but as you've said you trusted this woman and she's really let you down. You must explain to your mother that the pony is suffering and that's not right. I would have your mother deal with the woman, she could be fobbing you off/ignoring you because your only young. I'm not being patronising, it's just that she's obviously taken advantage of you so far and been extremely dishonest so there's nothing to say she won't continue. Have your mother speak with her. Surely if your mum understands that the pony is not being cared for correctly she will see that she cannot leave the situation as it is?
 
Entirely agree with you *sprinkles *, people on this forum are quick to shout "troll"!

OP...if you were to promise your parents/grandparents that you will advertise your pony for loan as soon as you get her back (and get her problems sorted), would you be more likely to be successful?

If not, tell them that this pony is being abused (if she's being ridden whilst lame, then in my eyes, she is) and that therefore you cannot sit around, as the owner, watching her be treated this way.

I'd do some internet research on equine welfare, have a look at the DEFRA site at their code for looking after horses. I'm sure there's stuff about being seen to by a vet when needed, and the right to be free from pain etc.

Second to that, I would take this mare round, drop her off, take your pony and go. And then tell your parents tough. If they are happy for you to have this other horse, then it's not that they don't want you to have one...so why are they so set against you getting your pony back?

Failing that...cry. Lots. And lots. And lots.
 
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