Woman attacked by dogs and killed in Liverpool

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Fila Brasilerio, Pit Bull Terrier, Japanese Tosa and Dog Artentino are the four in this country on the DDA 1991.
52 countries have breed specific legislation against them. As of 2018 there is some level of breed-specific legislation in 37 states and over 1,000 cities in the US.

Yes, I know that about the UK, you said:
Cane Corsa's and Neopolitan Mastiffs are on the dangerous dogs list in the US
I do not think there is a definitive list covering all 50 states.
 

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I don’t need to have Great Danes and a Malinois, particularly the Mali because I don’t need her to do any bite work or guarding. However, my dogs are well trained and are a pleasure to be around.

The breed has absolutely nothing to do with it. It’s the idiots who own them who create bad dogs.

There was a case near my fathers home in South Africa recently where a Labrador killed two people who had broken into someone’s house. Should we consider banning labradors too? They have as much potential to kill as bull breeds.

The breed has everything to do with it. You don't hear about packs of spaniels attacking and killing people.

As for that labrador story, given the number of labs vs number of bull breeds and the frequency that that happens, it seems pretty obvious to me it's FAR more likely to happen with some breeds than others. Of course any dog can bite or kill, but the same offenders repeatedly appear time and time again.
 

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Yes, I know that about the UK, you said: I do not think there is a definitive list covering all 50 states.
All right if we want to get nit picky Cane Corsa's currently are banned or restricted in Kentucky, Ohio, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Missouri, New Mexico, Iowa, Kansas, Oregon, Washington, Louisiana, Nebraska, Wiconsin, Alabama, South & North Carolina, Vermont, Idiana, Georgia, and Delaware, Illinois, Michigan, Mississippi, North Dakota, West Virginia, Wyoming.
 

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All right if we want to get nit picky Cane Corsa's currently are banned or restricted in Kentucky, Ohio, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Missouri, New Mexico, Iowa, Kansas, Oregon, Washington, Louisiana, Nebraska, Wiconsin, Alabama, South & North Carolina, Vermont, Idiana, Georgia, and Delaware, Illinois, Michigan, Mississippi, North Dakota, West Virginia, Wyoming.

Congratulations on being able to use Google and Wiki, but there still isn't a country-wide dangerous dogs list for the USA, as far as I know.
 

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Congratulations on being able to use Google and Wiki, but there still isn't a country-wide dangerous dogs list for the USA, as far as I know.
I don't recall saying there was did I? I said that the Cane Corsa was banned in the US. Maybe what I should have said was that the Cane Corsa was banned in far more states in the US than it wasn't banned but to be honest I didn't think people would be that nit picky.
 

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Birker, this is what you said:

Crikey, both Cane Corsa's and Neopolitan Mastiffs are on the dangerous dogs list in the US

And I was saying that no such list exists, it's a massive country and each state and county and city and municipality will all have their own legislation.

It's not nitpicking, it is just fact, and it's important that people are equipped with facts, not opinions.
 

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Birker, this is what you said:



And I was saying that no such list exists, it's a massive country and each state and county and city and municipality will all have their own legislation.
Okay Cane Corso are on the dangerous dogs list in the US in some states. I don't see it really makes any difference to be honest. They have been assessed by some states as dangerous dogs or they wouldn't be on the list. End of . Who cares if they are classed in one state or not the other.
 
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That poor lady, what a horrific way to go.
I groom a young XL bully and he is absolutely beautiful but my god I’ve never seen a dog like it before. His head and jaw have to be seen to be believed. He is absolutely immense. If he decided to turn on me, I’d not stand a chance. The last groom he was over 5 stone and he’s only 6 months old.
 

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I think comparing Cornwall and Wiltshire to Kentucky and Kansas and leopards to dogs is indicative of the overall problem, here, but sure, go off :)
That's why I deleted it because it was a rubbish example and I knew, just knew that someone sad would see fit to make some sarky comment about it.
 
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Two fatalities are missing from the list in Birker2020's post #34.

9 people killed by dog/s this year

10 January 2022 3 British bulldogs John William Jones, M, 68 years Lampeter, Wales. A man was bitten by three dogs at a house in the town and consequently died at the scene from his injuries, as recorded by Ceredigion Coroner's Office. A woman was subsequently arrested in connection with the attack.[101]

6 March 2022 Husky Kyra Leanne King, F, 3 months Woodhall Spa, Lincolnshire. Three-month-old child killed after an attack at Ostler's Plantation, an area popular with dog walkers. A man and woman, aged 54 and 40, who were held on suspicion of being in charge of an out-of-control husky dog, have been released under investigation.[102]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom#2020–2029
 

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Two fatalities are missing from the list in Birker2020's post #34.

9 people killed by dog/s this year

10 January 2022 3 British bulldogs John William Jones, M, 68 years Lampeter, Wales. A man was bitten by three dogs at a house in the town and consequently died at the scene from his injuries, as recorded by Ceredigion Coroner's Office. A woman was subsequently arrested in connection with the attack.[101]

6 March 2022 Husky Kyra Leanne King, F, 3 months Woodhall Spa, Lincolnshire. Three-month-old child killed after an attack at Ostler's Plantation, an area popular with dog walkers. A man and woman, aged 54 and 40, who were held on suspicion of being in charge of an out-of-control husky dog, have been released under investigation.[102]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom#2020–2029
From the screen shot you mean? They were missing but because someone had commented about the large amount of bully breeds earlier in the thread so I did a screen shot containing the info about them.

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To be honest I think there are more aggressive dawgs on this forum than there are in the whole of US and UK put together but still I digress.......
 

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To be honest I think there are more aggressive dawgs on this forum than there are in the whole of US and UK put together but still I digress.......
I dont even know why you bother @Birker2020 same folk same comments , never changes ? how fulfilling their lives must be. Glad I dont see any of them ?
 

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From the screen shot you mean? They were missing but because someone had commented about the large amount of bully breeds earlier in the thread so I did a screen shot containing the info about them.

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From your first sentence below I thought you were giving a complete list of fatal attacks:

FYI list of fatal dog attacks

WARNING: MAY CONTAIN UPSETTING INFORMATION
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom showing a lot of attacks by American Bully breeds in recent months.
 

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I think the breed does have something to do with it.
I have only ever met two dogs that scared me one was a Boerbel ( ended up PTS after it bit a member of its family ) and a American bulldog the owner of that dog got some heavy duty help and it grew up to be if not easy but able to lead life .

The pack thing when out of control it’s a terrible thought attacked by five America Bulldogs it makes me shiver to think of it

We are able to accept that breeding makes a dog predisposed to bring back a duck so therefore it’s not a big a jump to say other breeds are more predisposed to bite and hold on hard .
It is of course mainly down to the owners inappropriate care , exercise , numbers, no or the wrong training .
The poor dog is just as much the victim.
 

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To what extent is the high proportion of bully attacks to do with the types of people that tend to own them, rather than to do with their nature and build alone? I'm sure that if every dodgy bloke with a XL bully had an Airedale terrier instead, there'd be people on here posting that Airedale terriers need to be banned with the number of people they've killed.

Then again, I'd still prefer people to have an XL bully than a bully kutta or a LGD breed being kept in the city.
 

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Retriever type dogs have soft mouths. They carry the bird without damaging it. Our Springer could carry an egg in her mouth without breaking it.
Retriever dogs SHOULD have soft mouths, it is not fact, there are other dogs that should too. The type or breed of dog should make them predisposed to certain behaviours and their physical make up can make them more able to carry out certain actions.
Dog breeds were developed to carry out certain jobs so the breed or type must make a breed or type more predisposed to certain behaviours and abilities.
All of that said in my experience unersocialised and nervy dogs are the most likely to bite (not necessarily attack).
I love the bully breeds they are not bred to be aggressive they are generally very people friendly not so much friendly with other dogs, mastiffs, I have come across ones I am not so comfortable with more frequently but generally they are lacking social skills and confidence.
Its tricky because some dogs are armed with the physique that can make them so much more capable of doing significant damage than others but most of them still have sound temperaments.
Its more about the dogs being in the wrong hands, some people make mistakes with these dogs unintentionally others have them as status symbols but whatever the reason its always the dogs that suffers and often innocent people around them.
 
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