milliepops
Wears headscarf aggressively
someone had bongos out this time round us.
Am I the only person not clapping.....
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SatansLittleHelper
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WTF..???? ????
Mind you, I have threatened to break out the Vuvuzala before now ????
onemoretime
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No, I don't clap.
I'd far rather the government taxed me more and funded the NHS properly. There's something utterly selfish in our ignoring NHS workers for decades - but now we are scared we might die of Coronavirus, we suddenly want to smarm to them. Not in any practical way - but clapping makes us feel good - we are all in this together - you all have to look after MEEEEEE.
Same with the scientists - for years we have been vilifying experts, and placing much greater emphasis on the (often emotive) and ignorant views of people who happen to be affected by whatever the scientific controversy might be. But now - suddenly - we can't get enough of them.
Gah, I hate people.
Sorry, I think you triggered a rant!
completely agree with you Shilasdair.
mini_b
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No.
agree with all the reasons posted above and to be honest I’d feel like a tit clapping on my own into the abyss.
if a lone woman claps into the woods and there is no one to hear it, did she make a sound?
agree with all the reasons posted above and to be honest I’d feel like a tit clapping on my own into the abyss.
if a lone woman claps into the woods and there is no one to hear it, did she make a sound?
twiggy2
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We don't, someone local plays the pipes apparently but we can't hear those either form home or so I am told.
I have forgotten every week but I don't think I have been home anyway.
My mum does it and loves the community feel it gives her local area, my brother does it and is making PPE for local care homes and distributing it all for free. Both of them pay taxes and vote for a parties who wants better pay for these workers.
Each to their own and as has been said it can just be part of what is done for fronting workers.
I have forgotten every week but I don't think I have been home anyway.
My mum does it and loves the community feel it gives her local area, my brother does it and is making PPE for local care homes and distributing it all for free. Both of them pay taxes and vote for a parties who wants better pay for these workers.
Each to their own and as has been said it can just be part of what is done for fronting workers.
Chianti
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I haven't clapped. I felt I did my bit in December and didn't vote Tory because NHS professionals were pleading with voters not to vote Tory because they said the NHS wouldn't stand another five years of Tory govt. I've contributed to crowdfunders for PPE and meals for NHS staff.
Sussexbythesea
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Just did another classic of arriving home mid clap and got some dirty looks as I shuffled the dog from car to house and didn’t join in. What’s the point of it now?
ownedbyaconnie
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Nope no clap from us. My other half is in the military, where’s his clap for being separated from his family, sometimes in awful conditions?
Bernster
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Did the last one tonight. Has tailed off the last few weeks. I have no issue with a public gesture to acknowledge key workers. Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be appreciated in other ways too eg good pay and conditions. Or that others aren’t also appreciated. I don’t get why it needs to be a zero sum game.
jhoward
Demon exorcist...
It was never about money, it was about the risks some of us ( more so the NHS and care workers are exposed to)
It was to acknowledge and appreciate the fact that whilst we are just doing our jobs we are doing so with incredibly high risks.
Some had no choice it was "just" their jobs. Many because of that and the exposure have died ...from hospital staff to bus drivers.
Whilst a massive number of the population have been moaning about staying indoors or choosing to ignore the rules.
Some of us simply never had or were given those options.
I hope that it does go to a once a year thing, things that have happened in the past few months will largely never be repeated in our life times, but it's something that should be remembered and taught to others as the chances are they will experience worse, so a bit of solidarity in my eyes is not a bad thing.
It was to acknowledge and appreciate the fact that whilst we are just doing our jobs we are doing so with incredibly high risks.
Some had no choice it was "just" their jobs. Many because of that and the exposure have died ...from hospital staff to bus drivers.
Whilst a massive number of the population have been moaning about staying indoors or choosing to ignore the rules.
Some of us simply never had or were given those options.
I hope that it does go to a once a year thing, things that have happened in the past few months will largely never be repeated in our life times, but it's something that should be remembered and taught to others as the chances are they will experience worse, so a bit of solidarity in my eyes is not a bad thing.
Southern
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I’ve clapped every week for all frontline and key workers. I’m very rural with just a few near neighbours over a field. The first week I clapped by myself ... I’m good with that. It was my personal appreciation and I care not a jot about being heard by anyone else.
The second week and subsequent weeks I’ve heard my neighbours clap too in the distance. Tonight was my last clap because the person who started it has requested it to stop.
The second week and subsequent weeks I’ve heard my neighbours clap too in the distance. Tonight was my last clap because the person who started it has requested it to stop.
Pippity
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For about four hours this evening, there was a group of about fifteen people gathered in the small park outside my flat. They seemed to be having a picnic, a bit of drinking, a few children running around. Nobody was more 2m away from anybody else.
But, hey, at least they clapped at 8pm.
But, hey, at least they clapped at 8pm.
Jules111
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I have complete respect for those amongst us who walk towards the danger the rest of us run from. The wonderful NHS frontline people who have risked their health for us are incredible and to be honest a clap just isn't' good enough. They deserver decent pay and a very good pension.
For the first time tonight I could not bring myself to clap... my mother is 63 and currently in heart failure with ulcers on her body and in so much pain I literally weep through every call. She has been waiting since 9am on Tuesday for a GP visit and/or a district nurse visit, neither have turned up. She's at serious risk of sepsis and the NHS have let her down. I completely understand that there is immense pressure on services at the moment, however the people I've spoken to just seem to think it's ok to leave somebody in incredible pain and risking their lives and suggest its selfish to expect even basic care without a covid diagnosis. They're busy with covid patients therefore others can wait and suffer as a result. I suspect there will be many people who loose their lives because of covid who never actually have the illness.
For the first time tonight I could not bring myself to clap... my mother is 63 and currently in heart failure with ulcers on her body and in so much pain I literally weep through every call. She has been waiting since 9am on Tuesday for a GP visit and/or a district nurse visit, neither have turned up. She's at serious risk of sepsis and the NHS have let her down. I completely understand that there is immense pressure on services at the moment, however the people I've spoken to just seem to think it's ok to leave somebody in incredible pain and risking their lives and suggest its selfish to expect even basic care without a covid diagnosis. They're busy with covid patients therefore others can wait and suffer as a result. I suspect there will be many people who loose their lives because of covid who never actually have the illness.
luckyoldme
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Didnt want to like your post but Im so sorry about your mum.
Its truly heartbreaking and i really do hope you can get some support..the nhs adverts are clearly telling us they are still open for business.
I hope someone on here might have some ideas to get her the help she needs xx
honetpot
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My daughter is a nurse, worked in ITU at the start of this and now has gone back to her normal job. She is absolutely scathing about the lack of appointments in her area, and think CV has become just an excuse for some. Yes putting on PPE and taking it off takes longer and in some areas they are still having trouble getting it, but not being seen is not good enough. I would ring 111, you can do this at anytime, there is an out of hours service than covers evenings and overnight, a doctor or a nurse can still come out. If her wee output drops and she starts feeling unwell, if having the pain wasn't bad enough, please ring 999. Be warned they no longer carry stock drugs so start looking for a pharmacy that's open now and who can get any drugs for her.
Abi90
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Ah but that’s what we signed up for! ? I hear that trotted out all the time, even from my friends. My husband and I are both in the military and whilst we don’t begrudge the NHS some recognition, it is a recognition that is never there for the military because “that’s what they signed up for”. The Armed Forces are very rarely on anyone’s list of keyworkers when they trot it out.
The cynical part of me thinks that the Armed Forces will not be given a pay rise this year so that the Government can afford to give the NHS a mega one. All other public sector workers have a union so they will still get a pay rise but we don’t have one so it’s an easy win to free up some money. Not like we can just quit either with a 12 month notice period
Obviously for the most part we love our job and are happy to do it but the holier than thou attitude of some keyworkers has annoyed me as the riskywork of the Armed Forces goes unnoticed most of the time
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
I am this too. I have clapped because I appreciate the individuals, but I also appreciate the supermarket workers, teachers, postman et al. I won't do a clap for the NHS at the moment as they have consistently let my mum down, since October last year. I have had to kick and scream to get any action, because she was 82 and they simply wrote her off. She went from independent, bright mentally and active to the opposite, in one moment, after a fall and being knocked unconscious. The GP wouldn't even do a urine test for infection, despite her sudden onset confusion, until I wanted to: 1. make a complaint, 2. have a 2nd opinion, 3. pay to have the dammned test. There was no follow up even though the initial scan showed a brain bleed at the point of impact, underneath the extensive bruising.
I have been exhausted, chasing doctors, consultants, MH team, etc etc. Whilst looking for someone to take even a vague interest, she has had to sell her home, go into independent living, leave there and has been in hospital and 4 homes of increasing complexity. The NHS has let her down badly, one time an ambulance took 5 1/2 hours to arrive, whilst we were told no food or drink. Then she was not transported despite being delirious. Then an hour and a half after the first ambulance left, another ambulance as she had stroke symptoms, to hospital, where she was 2 1/2 hours outside as it was full, only to get to the front of the queue, and be turned away for a long trip into the next county for a different hospital, losing her place in the queue. She never has recovered from that day, I reckon she did almost 24 hours with being told to not eat or drink (the fall was in the morning before breakfast). Impossible!
It was bad enough before, but since COVID it has been a bigger nightmare. We were simply told she was discharged from any care (other than a GP) and to call them back after COVID. Last Monday I reported her for safeguarding, not that the home has done anything wrong, they are begging for support for an actual diagnosis as to what happened at the fall so she can be helped. Especially as she has dropped 2 stone in 10 weeks. The two specialist homes she has been in think she has a brain injury as opposed to dementia from age.
Surprisingly, after safeguarding her, the current MH team now admit they have failed her repeatedly, and are doing scans. I fear it will be too late for her. I am not so struck about the scans now, I fear the damage is done, but she needs continuing medication under review, not discharge, as she has been in torment.
But, I do appreciate the individuals, so did clap once. But, as I said up post, I have mainly been buying gifts for the carers at her current home. This week is bath bombs, Previously crisps, mints, hand cream, biscuits, sun cream, Fruitella, bunting. Small tokens of my appreciation, but more tangible than clapping.
Jules111
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Honetpot, thank you for the advice. We'll call 111 if we can't the GP this morning.
Red, I am so sorry your mum has been through that. It's heartbreaking to see a vibrant, intelligent person go through so much. My mum is just worn down now. I fear she is just giving up.
Red, I am so sorry your mum has been through that. It's heartbreaking to see a vibrant, intelligent person go through so much. My mum is just worn down now. I fear she is just giving up.
southerncomfort
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Jules, I'm so sorry. This must be heartbreaking for you.
To leave your mother in pain is unforgivable.
Now that something like 12% of intensive care beds are in use by CV patients, i cannot understand why they haven't restarted surgery and cancer treatments for those that want it.
ownedbyaconnie
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The thing that gets me the most is how many of those people out clapping last night spent the day on a busy beach?
I show my appreciation for the NHS by not going to A&E for a sore finger, not getting paracetemol on prescription, if I make a GP appointment I show up for it and I pay my taxes.
I show my appreciation for those working during corona (i.e supermarket assistants, postmen etc) by being polite, wishing them a good day and abiding by the systems set in place to protect the key workers.
I'm sure they'd rather that than a clap.
I show my appreciation for the NHS by not going to A&E for a sore finger, not getting paracetemol on prescription, if I make a GP appointment I show up for it and I pay my taxes.
I show my appreciation for those working during corona (i.e supermarket assistants, postmen etc) by being polite, wishing them a good day and abiding by the systems set in place to protect the key workers.
I'm sure they'd rather that than a clap.
HashRouge
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But you are allowed to go to the beach now? You just need to try and maintain 2m distancing outside your family group. I went to the beach on Tuesday and it really wasn't hard to stay a sensible distance away from other people.
ownedbyaconnie
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Sorry I was quite vague, I’m talking about the photos of people on the beach that very clearly are not 2m apart. There’s then also the photos of cars parked on double yellows, the litter left etc.
Toby_Zaphod
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People on this forum are saying things like, I don't clap I'd rather the government do this or do that. The clapping is not for the government it's for primarily the NHS. I clapped last night as numerous households around where we live. A few minutes on a Thursday night to clap costs you nothing but it is appreciated by the NHS.
The person who initiated the clapping apparently is of the opinion that it may be he right time now o stop.
The person who initiated the clapping apparently is of the opinion that it may be he right time now o stop.
DD
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its become which neighbour can outdo the other in some places an friend in a neighbouring village says one neighbour has installed a mic and sound system and stands singing and playing to the whole village every thursday whether they like it or not. I think its outlived its usefulness. better to stop it now.