Another fatal dog attack

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Perhaps the charities intend rehoming as many XLBs as possible before the ban comes in and get round it that way; which would be an awful idea imo, if everything became rushed and proper checks not done
Actually I think rehoming XLBs under any circumstances is an awful idea but to do it in a hurry would be far worse
I'm not sure about other charities but in yesterday's Times article (I the one I talked about in a previous post) Battersea and the Blue Cross were making it very clear that they would continue to rehome XLBs after the ban comes into place. I would love to know whether they had run that plan past their insurers before they went public with it 😲
 

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I know this is probably a silly question, but if you own one of these dogs that's going to be banned, what is the hardship to muzzle training, registering and walking on lead? Lots of other dogs either through the KC are registered, lots of dogs are walked muzzled and some like huskies are safer being exercised on lead - a friend had one that never came back off lead.

What exactly is going to lead to all these abandoned dogs? Which if it is just owners not wanting the responsibility maybe they shouldn't have a pet in the first place.
 

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For the past 2 days there has been a half starved XL Bully type roaming the village. People have tried to catch it but it seems too frightened to be caught. Luckily, it is the other end from us but it did make me pause for thought about riding out that way and I know some dog walkers are avoiding the area.

They frighten me, especially a nervous, half-starved one!

No one is claiming ownership.

If it's half-starved, wouldn't a couple of chicken breasts or sausages be enough to get it close enough to a handler with a catchpole?
 
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I know this is probably a silly question, but if you own one of these dogs that's going to be banned, what is the hardship to muzzle training, registering and walking on lead? Lots of other dogs either through the KC are registered, lots of dogs are walked muzzled and some like huskies are safer being exercised on lead - a friend had one that never came back off lead.

What exactly is going to lead to all these abandoned dogs? Which if it is just owners not wanting the responsibility maybe they shouldn't have a pet in the first place.
I own a Romanian dog which I was originally fostering before I adopted her as she was completely feral and although she is absolutely fine now was always going to be a challenge to an adopter. Although I dont muzzle her unlike my Dobermann she is always kept on a long line as she has no recall, I can honestly say she doesnt have a problem with it. Im sick of some of the Bully owners bemoaning the fact that they will now have to keep their dog on a lead and muzzle it. If done properly it has no impact on the dog at all but obviously is going to require the owner to start training their dog and actually taking responsibility, if they cant do that then they shouldnt have a dog regardless of breed. So as far as Im concerned as a normal responsible dog owner I dont see it as a hardship, perhaps a inconvenience if you have a really sociable and well trained dog but better this then them being pts.

Im sure at some time in the future all dogs will either have to be muzzled in public or kept on a lead or even both, it certainly wouldnt make me consider giving up my dogs.
 

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If it's half-starved, wouldn't a couple of chicken breasts or sausages be enough to get it close enough to a handler with a catchpole?
We have someone with a catch cage who is now feeding it nightly until it is comfortable enough in the cage to trap it. No, it won't go near anyone, it seems feral.
 

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Oh crumbs, I just realized we're going to be seeing lots of Bully's on unlocked flexi-leads.
Always presuming that the laws are going to be enforced, I thought the regulations required a fixed lead not more than 6 foot in length, and handler over the age of 16? At least that’s what the rule is here (Ireland) for restricted breeds.
 

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Always presuming that the laws are going to be enforced, I thought the regulations required a fixed lead not more than 6 foot in length, and handler over the age of 16? At least that’s what the rule is here (Ireland) for restricted breeds.
I had another look, but this page (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/prepare-for-the-ban-on-xl-bully-dogs) only says:

Muzzles and leads​

From 31 December 2023 XL Bully dogs must wear a muzzle and be kept on a lead when in a public place.
 

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I'm not sure about other charities but in yesterday's Times article (I the one I talked about in a previous post) Battersea and the Blue Cross were making it very clear that they would continue to rehome XLBs after the ban comes into place. I would love to know whether they had run that plan past their insurers before they went public with it 😲
I have just stopped my monthly DD to Blue Cross and have told them in an email why, irresponsible idiots...
 

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Just saw a comment on a #dontbullymybreed post saying that an owner brought in her 2yo XL to be PTS because she didn't want it to have to wear a muzzle. Everyone blaming the new banning laws and boo hooing for the owner about how cruel the new laws are :rolleyes:

Maybe if you cant find a well fitting muzzle and train your dog to wear it you are exactly the problem?
 

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I was about to say... I'm about to start up a muzzle business specifically focused on XL Bully muzzles and cash in, but it wouldn't be all that profitable because so many think a muzzle is cruel, or simply won't muzzle! So there goes that business idea.




...that I really wasn't considering anyway. 😀


I'm not sure if someone already makes and markets specific XL Bully muzzles. In some instances I could see some owners buying in since it'd be tailored to their dogs type.

There are plenty of good ones on the market and so many resources re muzzle training...but if you're an idiot..
 

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I was about to say... I'm about to start up a muzzle business specifically focused on XL Bully muzzles and cash in, but it wouldn't be all that profitable because so many think a muzzle is cruel, or simply won't muzzle! So there goes that business idea.




...that I really wasn't considering anyway. 😀


I'm not sure if someone already makes and markets specific XL Bully muzzles. In some instances I could see some owners buying in since it'd be tailored to their dogs type.

There are plenty of good ones on the market and so many resources re muzzle training...but if you're an idiot..

Is supposedly a good brand that makes comfy and cute coloured muzzles. Not sure if they do ones specifically for XL bullies though!
 

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I mean, there are some out there for Mastiffs, but Bullys can be a a bit more meaty or wide in different places.


Just saw they've started production on their 'short and wide' muzzles!
 

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For the past 2 days there has been a half starved XL Bully type roaming the village. People have tried to catch it but it seems too frightened to be caught. Luckily, it is the other end from us but it did make me pause for thought about riding out that way and I know some dog walkers are avoiding the area.

They frighten me, especially a nervous, half-starved one!

No one is claiming ownership.
I wonder if this could be Skye who went missing from Rossington?
 

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Just saw a comment on a #dontbullymybreed post saying that an owner brought in her 2yo XL to be PTS because she didn't want it to have to wear a muzzle. Everyone blaming the new banning laws and boo hooing for the owner about how cruel the new laws are :rolleyes:

Maybe if you cant find a well fitting muzzle and train your dog to wear it you are exactly the problem?
I bet she was just making that the excuse because it sounded better/more controversial than 'I can't be bothered to train my dog.'
 

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Perhaps the charities intend rehoming as many XLBs as possible before the ban comes in and get round it that way;
perhaps you missed the other thread ie The Dog's trust new rehoming policy"

you fill the form in and they chose the dog for you. Anyone for a lovely XLB? delightful with kids, babies especially welcome. :D:D:D:D

(and I am being sarcastic)
 

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Yet another case where the owners saw no warning signs prior to a serious attack. It may be the case that many of the owners aren't knowledgeable enough about dog behaviour to identify subtle warning signs, but the size and power of these dogs means that they therefore can't be a safe choice of pet for the majority of people. And if they truly do exhibit absolutely no warning signs then they are an incredibly dangerous breed and IMO there is absolutely no place for them.

It was helpful that the mother in this case admitted that prior to the attack she had been a vocal critic of the ban, I hope that other owners with small children in the household take note.
 

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It was helpful that the mother in this case admitted that prior to the attack she had been a vocal critic of the ban, I hope that other owners with small children in the household take note.
I thought that was pretty big of her really. It's hard to admit you were wrong, but she did, and she's making the responsible call to have the dog PTS. I would really hope that her story carries weight with the people who would otherwise be dismissive of the reasoning behind the new laws. It's so sad - the dog does sound genuinely "nice" until it flipped. I don't see how anyone could deny that a dog that behaves in that way is mentally unstable for one reason or another*. I'm amazed that she managed to both save her son and come out unscathed herself.

*although personally my money's on genetics
 

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Welllll going off my joyful experience of playing dog warden tennis at work today (it’s really, really fun trying to figure out what area certain councils cover when some of it defies logic!) and how areas without a proper warden basically aren’t really enforcing current microchip legislation to the same standard as areas with a proper dog warden I can see the new laws being OH SO well enforced
 
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