Another fatal dog attack

[photo_jo]

New home needed for dog who self-harmed

Stanley has been waiting for a new home for six months.

www.bbc.co.uk

Appears RSPCA now promoting getting dogs for Christmas and this one has so much going for him! An accident waiting to happen.

I'm not surprised they're struggling to re-home him - no kids or other pets, he's 7 years old and his basic training needs work!

 

[SilverLinings]

I'm not surprised they're struggling to re-home him - no kids or other pets, he's 7 years old and his basic training needs work!

He sounds like a lovely, friendly, compliant dog, and I suspect that the 'no kids or pets' is because he spent the start of his life in a cage in a scrap yard entirely on his own, so there is no history/knowledge of how he would behave in a home with them.

Given the number of recent, serious attacks by dogs over the last year I'm surprised re-homing centres don't now routinely say 'no kids' when rehoming any medium-large dogs when they don't know the dog's history, purely to avoid being sued. E.g. if a dog was picked up as a stray the home won't know if it was dumped by the owners because it bit their child. I'm not saying that is necessarily the right way to go, but after the lady in the news recently who was seriously mauled by her recently acquired rescue dog the insurance premiums for re-homing charities must be going through the roof.

 

[marmalade76]

To be fair to the US, the UK also has sh*tty neglect or abuse cases. There are more in the US because there are more people and horses in the US.

I do 100% wish there were better animal welfare laws in the US, but I wish that for the UK too. However, the US is a bit like a 3rd world country disguising as a 1st world country at times!

The US seems to be a county of extremes in every way to me - there's big lick where horses are purposely lamed to horses fitted with prosthetics and the bits! No wonder some of them are do anti biting! It's mad.

 

[CorvusCorax]

It's such a vast country though, it's hard to make generalisations on animal welfare.
In some places, it's so right-on that you don't 'own' a pet, you're it's 'guardian'

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I've never seen a big lick horse in person, but the US is wild. It's vast and there's a lot of people (not necessarily crowded) so you're going to have extremism.

I mean, I could go on about fat cobs in the UK and showing..

 

[Birker2020]

There's a lady on FB saying that her son who is autistic needs money (in this case £800) in order to comply for the new regulations and therfore keep their XL bully or it will be pts. Due to his autism he needs the dog as it helps him. Well I don't dispute that as there is an established link, as we know between how children on the spectrum cope with life better when they mingle with animals but it seems like we might see a huge influx of similar cases of crowd funding as the deadline looms closer.

Elsewhere on FB some 'bright spark' parent posts a video of her toddler using the family Rotweiler as a climbing frame to get on the sofa. You can see (as was pointed out in the comments) how uncomfortable the dog looks, one step away from biting said 'angel child'. And we know what the fate of the dog would be then!

 

[marmalade76]

I've never seen a big lick horse in person, but the US is wild. It's vast and there's a lot of people (not necessarily crowded) so you're going to have extremism.

I mean, I could go on about fat cobs in the UK and showing..

Whereas in the US it's just the riders that are fat.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

Whereas in the US it's just the riders that are fat.

Idk, you've got fat riders and fat horses in both the UK and the US. Some of the halter horses in the Quarter Horse and Paint circuits can be a bit much. Just really bulky in type. I'd say the UK has an obesity "problem" as well though

 

[marmalade76]

Idk, you've got fat riders and fat horses in both the UK and the US. Some of the halter horses in the Quarter Horse and Paint circuits can be a bit much. Just really bulky in type. I'd say the UK has an obesity "problem" as well though

I'm sorry but the US takes everything to more of an extreme than here and that includes over weight riders, they are bigger than they are here, our horses might be fatter but our riders are definitely not.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I'm sorry but the US takes everything to more of an extreme than here and that includes over weight riders, they are bigger than they are here, our horses might be fatter but our riders are definitely not.

Yeah, I know, I'm just saying that there are plenty of overweight riders in the UK too.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

Trust me, I'm no huge US fan (no pun intended), and there are extremes. This is news to exactly no one, but they're extremes, and not quite the norm.

Can we get back to dogs?

 

[Cortez]

I'm sorry but the US takes everything to more of an extreme than here and that includes over weight riders, they are bigger than they are here, our horses might be fatter but our riders are definitely not.

Glass houses.....stones....

 

[CorvusCorax]

And again, it's not been in the UK where I've been overtaken by octogenarians in lycra running up a mountain, while I was leaning on my knees, fighting for air

 

[conniegirl]

When dogs with delicate and unpredictable temperaments are owned by people like this, then they never stood a chance
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/xl-bully-owner-punched-vet-31539467#lpiic2od5y4kgn9tgyl

 

[conniegirl]

Sheffield mum and three children trapped as dogs fought - police

A man is arrested on suspicion of animal cruelty and child neglect after the incident in Sheffield.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[SilverLinings]

When dogs with delicate and unpredictable temperaments are owned by people like this, then they never stood a chance
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/xl-bully-owner-punched-vet-31539467#lpiic2od5y4kgn9tgyl

That is absolutely vile behaviour, I hope he gets a decent prison sentence (and his friends if they were involved).

Sheffield mum and three children trapped as dogs fought - police

A man is arrested on suspicion of animal cruelty and child neglect after the incident in Sheffield.

www.bbc.co.uk

It is a concern that the statement from the police is mainly to reassure the public that they aren't there to put dogs down, presumably reflecting recent public sentiment. I don't understand how a normal human can be angry at the police for seizing and/or PTS a dog that has just seriously attacked or killed someone, or in this case for seizing the dogs not just for the fighting but because they were underweight and neglected.

 

[marmalade76]

Glass houses.....stones....

It is a FACT that there is a higher percentage of obese people in the US than there is in the UK and the percentage difference is greater in women than in men. If you're talking personally, I'm still a size 12 and can still fit in the same hunt coat I wore as a teenager

 

[Cortez]

It is a FACT that there is a higher percentage of obese people in the US than there is in the UK and the percentage difference is greater in women than in men. If you're talking personally, I'm still a size 12 and can still fit in the same hunt coat I wore as a teenager

It's also a FACT that the UK is the fattest nation in Europe. Comparisons are odious, or so my mother used to say, and in this case irrelevant to the subject under discussion.

 

[marmalade76]

It's also a FACT that the UK is the fattest nation in Europe. Comparisons are odious, or so my mother used to say, and in this case irrelevant to the subject under discussion.

So why are you adding to it?

 

[Cortez]

So why are you adding to it?

OFGS, what are you? 12?

 

[marmalade76]

OFGS, what are you? 12?

Yeah.

 

[CorvusCorax]

There's a higher percentage of most things, it's a much bigger country.

 

[conniegirl]

There's a higher percentage of most things, it's a much bigger country.

I dont think you understand percentages

 

[CorvusCorax]

I dont think you understand percentages

I'm dyscalculic, so that's highly likely

 

[conniegirl]

I'm dyscalculic, so that's highly likely

When things are done as a percentage then the size of the population will make no difference same as when things are per capita or per 100k population.

 

[Nasicus]

This threads getting a bit off topic I think.

 

[CorvusCorax]

This threads getting a bit off topic I think.

It has been going round and round in circles/people repeating themselves for months, or people coming in after hundreds of posts to make the same point as someone did on page 5, so I can see why minds wander.

 

[Alwaysmoretoknow]

Just heard an interview with a rescue which said that, according to the anticipated new regulations, any suspected xl bullies won't be allowed to be rehomed after they have been dumped/surrendered/abandoned to them and that they were put in the position where they had to keep the dog kennelled with them for the rest of its life or pts as they were not allowed to rehome them.
There are apparently a very large number of these types of dogs being advertised for rehoming on all sorts of social media in desperation for their owners to avoid the responsibility of having to conform to the new regulations.
If you really love your dog how hard it is to neuter, muzzle, insure it (apparently Dogs Trust will provide it as long as you comply with the legal terms) and leash it in public?

 

[CanteringCarrot]

Just heard an interview with a rescue which said that, according to the anticipated new regulations, any suspected xl bullies won't be allowed to be rehomed after they have been dumped/surrendered/abandoned to them and that they were put in the position where they had to keep the dog kennelled with them for the rest of its life or pts as they were not allowed to rehome them.
There are apparently a very large number of these types of dogs being advertised for rehoming on all sorts of social media in desperation for their owners to avoid the responsibility of having to conform to the new regulations.
If you really love your dog how hard it is to neuter, muzzle, insure it (apparently Dogs Trust will provide it as long as you comply with the legal terms) and leash it in public?

Neuter, insure, and lead in public are all BASIC things fgs. Using a muzzle isn't terrible either. Find the best fitting one for the dog. End of.

There's a Malinois locally that often wears a muzzle in shops and he looks like he's doing just fine. Very obedient dog, really.

 

[Dobiegirl]

To me the only thing which could be acceptable about owners getting rid of their dogs is if landlords state they will no longer allow them to live in their property, that would be a huge problem for people living in rented property. All the other conditions applied to these dogs are surely what any responsible person would do if it meant keeping their much loved pet and family member.
I'm sick of seeing gofundme requests on fb of people appealing for funds to make sure their dogs comply, what the hell where they going to do if their dog needed an urgent op prior to this. Owning any animal is not a god given right, it comes with responsibilities and unfortunately a lot of these dogs I'm sad to say are owned by irresponsible people which is how this whole thing started.