Another fatal dog attack

[CorvusCorax]

I was talking about dogs that people just haven't got along with. I wasn't thinking of dogs who didn't make the grade in a specialist sport.

This wasn't a sport dog, it was a showline dog in a pet home at that time that we just didn't get along with. ETA rehomed to us as a pet, as not show quality. The dog I rehomed earlier was a LabxJRTxFoxhound. I am talking about any dog being rehomed with a dodgy temperament.

 

[twiggy2]

I have taken on short term fosters and seen then through difficult times before finding a good home for them.
I have also rehomed working collies that are better suited to either a pet or less demanding lifestyle, so less work, sheep, ground to cover or easier ground to work over or a dog that looks like it will have a long retired life and would enjoy house living.
I wouldnt pass on a biter, resource guarders etc, I have a really quirky bitch who took over 2 yrs to fully come out of her shell since coming to me, she has grown on me and in all honesty I would benefit from passing her on but she will stay as it doesn't feel right to pass her on after it took so long for her to trust.
Many things that would be issues in a home are not an issue when the dogs are kennelled, exercised on private ground and worked daily.

 

[Chucho]

Got an interesting email this morning from a dog field we used to rent. They've been in discussions with their insurance company and when the new legislation comes in they will no longer be allowed to accept XL bullies in their dog field as it would, invalidate their insurance. The insurance company sees this as the dogs being unleashed and unmuzzled in a public place and therefore illegal.

It makes sense to me but I'm also a bit sad this option is taken away from responsible owners. I've lived in homes with limited outside space and while you can absolutely provide sufficient exercise for a dog on lead, their being able to have a good blast about is so good for their wellbeing and can help minimise unwanted behaviours.

 

[misst]

Got an interesting email this morning from a dog field we used to rent. They've been in discussions with their insurance company and when the new legislation comes in they will no longer be allowed to accept XL bullies in their dog field as it would, invalidate their insurance. The insurance company sees this as the dogs being unleashed and unmuzzled in a public place and therefore illegal.

It makes sense to me but I'm also a bit sad this option is taken away from responsible owners. I've lived in homes with limited outside space and while you can absolutely provide sufficient exercise for a dog on lead, their being able to have a good blast about is so good for their wellbeing and can help minimise unwanted behaviours.

I think that is a pity if it is for sole use of that dog and is secure. I am not sure what a responsible owner can do if they want their dog to have some off lead time. Unmuzzled? I'm not sure as it seems they can turn on owners as well as strangers so maybe the muzzle should stay...

 

[twiggy2]

Got an interesting email this morning from a dog field we used to rent. They've been in discussions with their insurance company and when the new legislation comes in they will no longer be allowed to accept XL bullies in their dog field as it would, invalidate their insurance. The insurance company sees this as the dogs being unleashed and unmuzzled in a public place and therefore illegal.

It makes sense to me but I'm also a bit sad this option is taken away from responsible owners. I've lived in homes with limited outside space and while you can absolutely provide sufficient exercise for a dog on lead, their being able to have a good blast about is so good for their wellbeing and can help minimise unwanted behaviours.

As far as the legalities with collars being worn the car or vehicle th edog is travelled in is classed as a public space I believe?
Seems very unfair because many people do rely on secure dog fields to exercise their dogs and potentially many more would after the ban.
I suppose the insurance bit is in case they escape though so it may be to protect themselves from that?

I think that is a pity if it is for sole use of that dog and is secure. I am not sure what a responsible owner can do if they want their dog to have some off lead time. Unmuzzled? I'm not sure as it seems they can turn on owners as well as strangers so maybe the muzzle should stay...

Well they can't be muzzled 24 7 so the owners will have to deal with that at some point

 

[skinnydipper]

Got an interesting email this morning from a dog field we used to rent. They've been in discussions with their insurance company and when the new legislation comes in they will no longer be allowed to accept XL bullies in their dog field as it would, invalidate their insurance. The insurance company sees this as the dogs being unleashed and unmuzzled in a public place and therefore illegal.

It makes sense to me but I'm also a bit sad this option is taken away from responsible owners. I've lived in homes with limited outside space and while you can absolutely provide sufficient exercise for a dog on lead, their being able to have a good blast about is so good for their wellbeing and can help minimise unwanted behaviours.

Must depend on the underwriters. Two of the ones that I go to have said XLs can be in the secure locked field without muzzle, 1:1 with their handler. If more than one from the same household, handler for each.

 

[misst]

Well they can't be muzzled 24 7 so the owners will have to deal with that at some point

I hadn't thought of it like that!! Of course you're right!

 

[Jenko109]

Must depend on the underwriters. Two of the ones that I go to have said XLs can be in the secure locked field without muzzle, 1:1 with their handler. If more than one from the same household, handler for each.

One near me (Hampshire) has said the same.

 

[splashgirl45]

That’s a shame as it would do the dogs good to have loose running time and also may be better for their behaviour when on lead . I feel that many XL bully types don’t get enough exercise anyway and this will make it more difficult for the owners who don’t have a garden ..

 

[skinnydipper]

This is a copy of the info from the insurance company that the field owners have shared on fb.

"The conditions when a dog is in a private field are now:

1. The dog is registered with the index of exempted dog (IED) and a copy of the life certificate is obtained and provided to us in the event of a claim.
2. A copy of the public liability insurance certificate for the dog is obtained and provided to us in the event of a claim.
3. The dog handler ratio is 1:1 with their handler at all times
4. The dog is neutered
5. The dog is microchipped
6. The field is private property with no public access passing through
7. The field is securely fenced and locked so the dog cannot escape
8. The dog is kept on a lead and muzzled until the gate is shut when entering the field
9. The dog is put back on a lead and muzzled before opening the gate to leave the field."

 

[misst]

This is a copy of the info from the insurance company that the field owners have shared on fb.

"The conditions when a dog is in a private field are now:

1. The dog is registered with the index of exempted dog (IED) and a copy of the life certificate is obtained and provided to us in the event of a claim.
2. A copy of the public liability insurance certificate for the dog is obtained and provided to us in the event of a claim.
3. The dog handler ratio is 1:1 with their handler at all times
4. The dog is neutered
5. The dog is microchipped
6. The field is private property with no public access passing through
7. The field is securely fenced and locked so the dog cannot escape
8. The dog is kept on a lead and muzzled until the gate is shut when entering the field
9. The dog is put back on a lead and muzzled before opening the gate to leave the field."

That all sounds very reasonable and common sense based.

 

[AmyMay]

Thankfully not fatal.

Terrifying moment 'XL bully' attacks another dog in the street

EXCLUSIVE: In terrifying footage, the man is dragged across the residential street near Nottingham as the hound runs free, attacking his black and white puppy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[bonny]

Thankfully not fatal.

Terrifying moment 'XL bully' attacks another dog in the street

EXCLUSIVE: In terrifying footage, the man is dragged across the residential street near Nottingham as the hound runs free, attacking his black and white puppy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

That’s shockingly bad journalism

 

[oldandgold]

Thankfully not fatal.

Terrifying moment 'XL bully' attacks another dog in the street

EXCLUSIVE: In terrifying footage, the man is dragged across the residential street near Nottingham as the hound runs free, attacking his black and white puppy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

That dog would be having a one way journey to the vets - I wish that these bl**dy owners of these dogs would do the sensible thing and not pass them on.

 

[Keith_Beef]

That’s shockingly bad journalism

I think you mean "a piss-poor piece of drivel".

It doesn't merit the term "journalism".

 

[skinnydipper]

I think people's focus might have slipped.

Oh, hang on. That comment might be judged for how it is written, not the topic.

 

[Goldenstar]

The video sort of transcends the need for journalism

 

[CorvusCorax]

They're just (breathlessly) describing what's happened in the video and copied what the dog's owner has said in his own original post. The use of odd words is half for attention and half to avoid repetition, not having three or four instances of the word 'dog' in one sentence, for example.

 

[4Hoofed]

That’s a shame as it would do the dogs good to have loose running time and also may be better for their behaviour when on lead . I feel that many XL bully types don’t get enough exercise anyway and this will make it more difficult for the owners who don’t have a garden .

It’s a shame that responsible owners will be penalised and have more and more options removed from them. We are in a very XL heavy area. And there are some wonderful responsible owners, and then there are the dregs of society who shouldn’t be allowed a live houseplant let alone a dog. But I don’t think it’s restricted to XLs. And they will dump all those poor unsocialised, overbred, untrained, untraceable dogs and next week be walking round with Rottweilers and Dobermans. And if the government goes after those breeds the same will happen again. Scrap BSL. Dog licenses or dog tax. All dogs must have a tag with a number that its been paid etc.

Because the responsible owners are the only ones that will be punished by this law in my opinion. And like must other laws (and I don’t say this lightly at all) the police will simply be unable to enforce it with the people that intend to use dogs as weapons. The same as they can’t stop them dealing drugs, knife crime etc. I love dogs and I don’t believe in bad breeds, but I do believe that some dogs are bred for jobs and purposes and people need to not be ignorant to that. And in light of that I will say I cannot for the life of me see why so many people that had XLS suddenly have Kangals and Caucasian Shepherds in Birmingham


In general I think the ownership of dogs or indeed animals is slipping. I own a large crossbreed. I had personal experience of both breeds, plus extensive research, attended puppy classes bronze award advanced etc with a trainer I knew and trusted and I also knew had experience with both the breeds and potential issues. He’s been attacked by a Yorkshire terrier, and a cockerpoo in the last 6 months alone. Both whilst he was on a lead after being clearly recalled and once after i specifically and loudly asked the owner to recall their dogs from mine. I don’t let him socialise with dogs with such a huge size discrepancy (even though our older dog is smaller) because god forbid they had a tiff or anything as all animals are capable of. But the vast majority of dog owners round here can’t recall their dogs, have no idea of the breed origin, exercise requirements, common physical and behavioural pitfalls. They wanted a puppy and a week later they had one. It’s a tragedy for the dogs. And also those of us who now can’t move without being asked if our large dog is an XL (he’s not at all bless him).

It’s a tough time out there. I don’t think the government should control our every action. But the public seems to be going out of their way to prove they can’t handle basic responsibilities

 

[skinnydipper]

Scrap BSL. Dog licenses or dog tax. All dogs must have a tag with a number that its been paid etc.

In England at least, we are a bit special. It is a legal requirement for dogs to wear tags with owners’ details yet I see many a dog without so much as a collar never mind a tag. Control of Dogs Order 1992.

Microchipping has been compulsory since 2016 and yet it seems the majority of dogs the local dog warden picks up have no chip. Yes folks, they can move, but I’m sure the dog warden is aware of this and will have plenty of experience scanning dogs for chips.

So that brings us to licencing. Who will licence their dog and who might not?

How well does licencing work? What do people think licencing will do?

And also those of us who now can’t move without being asked if our large dog is an XL (he’s not at all bless him).

That must be a concern for you.

 

[Goldenstar]

Licensing won’t work in my opinion it’s would have to be very expensive to be effective .
Theres a story in the DM this morning about a woman who has been jailed for two attacks by her partners XL bully one on a human and one on a dog who had to be PTS .
It’s the owners that need licensing but how could that be made effective .
What we need is to spray the country down with common sense and personal responsibility.

 

[Cortez]

Nothing works unless it is enforced, in any sphere.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Nothing works unless it is enforced, in any sphere.

and that is where everything falls down. So much could be done if only someone would enforce it.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Did we not do the licencing discussion many pages ago?

 

[skinnydipper]

Did we not do the licencing discussion many pages ago?

On more than one occasion, I believe.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Thankfully not fatal.

Terrifying moment 'XL bully' attacks another dog in the street

EXCLUSIVE: In terrifying footage, the man is dragged across the residential street near Nottingham as the hound runs free, attacking his black and white puppy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Good god. Surely they’re going to pts that brute?

 

[maisie06]

The dog run near us has said XL's must be muzzled and on a lead even IN the secure runs, insurance company has deemed they are a public place....going to be a sad life for these dogs.

 

[Smitty]

Man seriously injured as 'XL bully' dog savages him in street

Police and family members are appealing for information after the attack

www.cornwalllive.com

Owner did a runner . Never mind, I expect he'll register it and muzzle, insure, neuter, etc etc

 

[splashgirl45]

Just seen on Facebook 8 bully pups abandoned, all thin and pot bellied , poor things. It’s not their fault they will soon be a banned breed and I doubt the rescue will be able to rehome them before the 31st, so will they face a life in kennels or be PTS.

 

[cauda equina]

PTS would be a mercy