Another fatal dog attack

[skinnydipper]

Mr Jones said "We do see dog attacks on farms, at most four or five injured or killed, but nothing of this severity,"

I thought I would have a look at how many sheep are killed each year.

"Around 15,000 sheep were killed by dogs in 2016"

Dog attacks on livestock: how bad is the problem? | Countryfile.com

Fatal dog attacks on sheep and other livestock are a growing problem. We investigate what can be done to bring the issue of sheep-worrying under control.

www.countryfile.com

That is appalling. What the hell is the matter with people, how hard is it to keep your dog on a lead?

 

[CorvusCorax]

Not fatal, but all sorts of stupid, I'll pop this on the irresponsible owners thread as well. My friend's adult son has had to have plastic surgery on his face after a childhood friend's Golden Retriever bit him in the face.

Young boy needed plastic surgery after dog bit his face at pub party, court told

The dog's owner was asked more than once to put him on a lead - but didn't

www.leaderlive.co.uk

 

[YorksG]

The number of people who think it's OK to allow their dogs in other people's fields, it's astounding. We have three sheep, who were born here. I have lost count of the number of dogs I have found in the field. Most recent one, sister found a chap in the field, collecting the ball that either he'd thrown in, or the dog had left. We have no public access at all across our land, but you'd never know!

 

[Keith_Beef]

I hope the farmer invoices the dog owner and follows up in Small Claims if necessary for the costs of the injured sheep which aren't covered by his insurance.

Not only that: the dog owner should fork out the full £14000 for the dead sheep and the vet's fees for treating the injured ones so that the farmer isn't hit with increased insurance premiums next year, then be banned from owning any animal for life.

 

[Quigleyandme]

I was told more than once; “The countryside belongs to everyone.” Their attitude is it’s open access and they have every right to roam wherever they like and also have no idea how their dog will react to a running mob of sheep.

 

[YorksG]

I was told more than once; “The countryside belongs to everyone.” Their attitude is it’s open access and they have every right to roam wherever they like and also have no idea how their dog will react to a running mob of sheep.

Particularly when we had the rotters, I seriously considered following one persistent offender home, with the dogs and letting them play in her garden!

 

[asmp]

Woman has died a couple of weeks after a Rottweiler attack,

it’s on the BBC but the link won’t work.

 

[Keith_Beef]

Woman has died a couple of weeks after a Rottweiler attack,

it’s on the BBC but the link won’t work.

This one?

Brighton-le-Sands woman dies weeks after dog attack

Marie Stevens was bitten on her arms and legs in a dog attack on Park Lane West, Netherton.

www.bbc.com

 

[marmalade76]

Probably not a popular opinion, but if more of these out of control dogs were shot maybe their owners might just take a bit more care to keep them under control. No doubt there will be much weeping and wailing about the death of the dogs and abuse directed at the police.

Totally agree with you. Same applies with chasing and attacking livestock.

 

[misst]

I knew a lady a long time ago. She had two super little terriers who came to the yard. Like most of us they were allowed to roam a bit (very rural area) in the fields and woods at the back but they stuck very close and no one worried. The horses were never bothered by any yard dogs and the dogs stayed out of the horse fields mostly by choice but also by command. The two terriers went missing after going through the fields one day and eventually the owner realised there were sheep in a field next door. There had not been sheep there for years previously. The farmer had shot two little dogs that had been chasing the sheep. They were her dogs. She was devastated but never once blamed the farmer. It was tragic but she just assumed full responsibility for what happened and said she should never have put her dogs in a position where that could happen. She apologised to the farmer.
Nowadays it seems it is always someone elses fault. This lady was a good owner and genuinely would never have let her dogs roam if she had known about the sheep. We were all a lot more vigilant after that too. I see how these things happen occasionally but it seems more common now and no one takes ownership of anything.

 

[Indy]

https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2023-09-07/mum-tells-of-being-mauled-by-dog-to-save-young-daughter?fbclid=IwAR2FcoSqkqSYgz6aDgO9TlYuxdL8mM-E7cTYWrKY6JgfgV8ylpkg7EMqPus

Thank goodness the lorry drive stopped and helped

 

[Clodagh]

Where she says how much it hurt, that’s what I’d been thinking. Anyone who has been bitten by a dog knows how much even a small bite hurts.

Poor woman.

And breed not deed… why areXL bullies disproportionate represented? Because only an arse would want to own one or because that’s what their physical appearance lends them to being very good at?

 

[skinnydipper]

… why areXL bullies disproportionate represented? Because only an arse would want to own one or because that’s what their physical appearance lends them to being very good at?

Both?

 

[Quigleyandme]

It’s ridiculous that innocent people can’t go about their business without being attacked. These dogs need to be banned, seized and destroyed. There wouldn’t be any debate over what is and isn’t an XL bully as there was with pittys. There may as well be tigers roaming around UK cities and towns as these dogs. I think I would carry a bloody big knife if I lived in urban UK.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

It’s ridiculous that innocent people can’t go about their business without being attacked. These dogs need to be banned, seized and destroyed. There wouldn’t be any debate over what is and isn’t an XL bully as there was with pittys. There may as well be tigers roaming around UK cities and towns as these dogs. I think I would carry a bloody big knife if I lived in urban UK.

This has literally crossed my mind several times. Which feels ridiculous to think things like that but it represents how unsafe I feel.

 

[Keith_Beef]

I think I would carry a bloody big knife if I lived in urban UK.

Now, I'm not a properly trained legal professional but... I believe that it is illegal (under several acts of parliament) to carry a weapon with the intent of being able to defend yourself against attack by another person, yet it is not illegal to carry a weapon with the intent of being able to defend yourself against attack by an animal...

I would have to go back and do some more research to be able to quote statute and case law, but this is what I remember from previous discussions on other sites.

 

[skinnydipper]

Knives: Get the facts

Is it illegal to carry a knife? It is illegal to carry any sharply pointed or bladed article in a public place (with the exception of a folding pocket knife, which has a blade that is less than 7.62cm or 3 inches). A lock knife is NOT a folding pocketknife and therefore it is illegal to carry...

www.suffolk.police.uk

 

[Keith_Beef]

Knives: Get the facts

Is it illegal to carry a knife? It is illegal to carry any sharply pointed or bladed article in a public place (with the exception of a folding pocket knife, which has a blade that is less than 7.62cm or 3 inches). A lock knife is NOT a folding pocketknife and therefore it is illegal to carry...

www.suffolk.police.uk

That information is technically incorrect. The wording of the appropriate act is closer to (from memory) "a cutting edge of 76.2mm or 3 inches", so not total blade length at all.

There has been a bit of noise about this recently on teh intarwebs because of some chap ordering some knives from overseas and having a bit of a tussle with Border Farce.



Oh, and look at section 139, "it shall be a defense"... Good reason to have a fixed blade or a locking knife...

Here's an example of a website that sets out the law quite clearly:

Criminal Law and the Kirpan in the UK – Sikh Helpline - Sikh Helpline UK

Criminal Justice Act 1988 Section 139 Offence of having article with blade or point in public place Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence. Subject to subsection (3) below...

www.sikhhelpline.com

 

[skinnydipper]

Just best not to risk it, eh Keith?

 

[Keith_Beef]

Just best not to risk it, eh Keith?

But aside from the particular point of a knife (no pun intended): if you carry a big stick you can be on tricky ground if the police think it's for protection against muggers, but it's ok to carry it for protection against dogs.

 

[Laurac13]

My dog has been attacked by 3 times by off lead dogs whilst she has been on the lead and I got scratched legs trying to get the dogs off her I now carry a wooden chestnut quite tall hiking stick and it has a metal prong at the end I haven’t had to use it to defend us so far but feel a little more safe that it could come in handy if needed ! Hopefully a hiking stick wouldn’t be classed as a weapon? I am on blood thinners so if I got bitten it would be an emergency so feel a tad vulnerable as well

 

[CorvusCorax]

It's illegal, I've not seen anyone successfully defend having a knife in public in years locally, even people who said they were out hunting, you can't have one rule for a kid on an estate and another rule for a woman with a small dog, and when it comes down to it most people wouldn't have it in them to do what is necessary to dispatch a dog with a knife, either stomach, skill or strength, and you'd be putting yourself in the position to get badly bitten as you'd have to get so close.
Injuring it superficially would probably just antagonise it.

Better off with a long stick/something visual.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

Feel I ought to clarify here I am not actually intending to arm myself with a knife, for all the reasons stated above.

 

[druid]

A decent walking stick would be a better and safer deterent option

 

[conniegirl]

Another attack by an XL bully

Man found unconscious after being mauled by his own XL bulldog in flat

Neighbours said they heard 'bangs' and 'screaming' coming from inside the ground floor home in Swan Court, Lockwood (pictured), in the early hours of yesterday morning.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[splashgirl45]

Wonder if the men were fighting and the dog joined in, sounds odd that the dog was in the street outside…

 

[CorvusCorax]

He maybe tried to run outside. But yeah, a drinking session with your buddies plus dogs is never a good idea.

 

[splashgirl45]

Yes drinking to excess with dogs is not a good idea

 

[bonny]

Having an XL Bully dog is an even worse idea.

 

[CorvusCorax]

I've already mentioned that my friend's son was bitten on the face by a Golden Retriever he'd known it's whole life when they (he and the owner and some pals) came in from a night on the town, he needed plastic surgery, it's a risk with any dog.