Another fatal dog attack

[Tiddlypom]

Watching that video (the dog relentlessly continuing to savage the prostrate 18yo lad despite two men whacking at it) I can’t fathom how anyone can say that getting XL bullies off the streets would not overall reduce dog on people attacks.

The bleddy thing was just so focussed and determined, its brain must be wired all wrong. We need to be shot of them.

 

[DressageCob]

It doesn't look big enough to be an XL. I think that was just a standard "bully".

Also not to be too judgmental but the fact it had cropped ears does make me wonder about its owner.

 

[splashgirl45]

Watching that video (the dog relentlessly continuing to savage the prostrate 18yo lad despite two men whacking at it) I can’t fathom how anyone can say that getting XL bullies off the streets would not overall reduce dog on people attacks.

The bleddy thing was just so focussed and determined, its brain must be wired all wrong. We need to be shot of them.

The trouble is those type of dogs can ignore being hit, in fact it is likely to make them worse, it has been said that putting a noose round their necks and choking them is the best way but who has something like that unless it’s a dog owner. I’ve got slip leads in my car in case I ever see a loose dog when I’m out but the general public won’t have anything like that . My video stopped , how did they get it to let go?

 

[J&T]

Moment 'XL Bully' attacks teen as passers-by desperately try and stop horror mauling

THIS is the horrifying moment a suspected XL Bully savages a teenager outside a block of flats. The bloody attack took place at the entrance of Oakfield high rise in Anderson Street in Motherwell. …

www.thesun.co.uk

Absolutely awful. Were was the owner????

I watched a good video my a trainer in the states who said that these types don't listen or acknowledge the pain they experience while attacking so hitting ect won't work but chocking the dog will.

 

[J&T]

Found the video I meant in my above post warning though he does react to a dog on dog attack to explain what should have happened to help the golden retriever and says a bit about why the hitting ect doesn't work.

[Warning: Some may find the content of this video upsetting.]

 

[skinnydipper]

Police warning as suspected XL Bully bites dog walker

The dog, believed to be a XL Bully, bit the woman in Coronation Field, Lancaster

www.lancs.live

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Going by the pic of the revolting thing, it doesn't look that big, definitely a bully but was it really an XL?

Does it matter? Hopefully that type will still be covered by potential ban. It is the size of the head (and mouth) that is so horrifying.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Found the video I meant in my above post warning though he does react to a dog on dog attack to explain what should have happened to help the golden retriever and says a bit about why the hitting ect doesn't work.

[Warning: Some may find the content of this video upsetting.]

This was hard watching but does give very good advice.

 

[CorvusCorax]

The trouble is those type of dogs can ignore being hit, in fact it is likely to make them worse, it has been said that putting a noose round their necks and choking them is the best way but who has something like that unless it’s a dog owner. I’ve got slip leads in my car in case I ever see a loose dog when I’m out but the general public won’t have anything like that . My video stopped , how did they get it to let go?

Belt, shoelaces, strap of a handbag etc

 

[Indy]

The trouble is those type of dogs can ignore being hit, in fact it is likely to make them worse, it has been said that putting a noose round their necks and choking them is the best way but who has something like that unless it’s a dog owner. I’ve got slip leads in my car in case I ever see a loose dog when I’m out but the general public won’t have anything like that . My video stopped , how did they get it to let go?

How would you even get a slip lead over it's head though when it's attached to someones leg?

 

[skinnydipper]

How would you even get a slip lead over it's head though when it's attached to someones leg?

Put the handle end round the neck and feed the other end through the handle. Best of luck.

 

[bonny]

Put the handle end round the neck and feed the other end through the handle. Best of luck.

Count your hands afterwards

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Count your hands afterwards

Very unlikely to let go just because someone puts their hand under its neck. A different breed might.

 

[splashgirl45]

I doubt the dog would even notice a lead being put round it’s neck as those type of dogs are concentrating on biting their original victim, it wouldn’t be easy , I’ve thought about what I would do if one of mine was attacked and the only thing I would have available is dog leads , there would be 2 options hit it as hard as I can with the lead, probably ineffective or try and choke it with my lead…. I really hope it never happens as none of mine are big and could be killed easily with one bite from an XL bully

 

[Errin Paddywack]

I doubt the dog would even notice a lead being put round it’s neck as those type of dogs are concentrating on biting their original victim, it wouldn’t be easy , I’ve thought about what I would do if one of mine was attacked and the only thing I would have available is dog leads , there would be 2 options hit it as hard as I can with the lead, probably ineffective or try and choke it with my lead…. I really hope it never happens as none of mine are big and could be killed easily with one bite from an XL bully

Choking appears to be the only thing that will work. He demonstrated it well in that video. About the only other thing that might work is if you had a long enough and sharp enough knife to kill it with, or a gun both of which are illegal and extremely unlikely to be available. Worst things seems to be attempting to drag it off or pull the other dog away as that just encourages ragging. I just pray I never have to witness such an attack whether to my dogs or others. If I had the strength in such a situation I would happily throttle such a dog till it died and feel no remorse. The sooner something is done about these dogs the better.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Is there an echo in here, I'll have to rebrand myself as an American, male, professional dog trainer with cool videos

 

[Smitty]

How much strength would it take to choke a dog like that? Also if it's still breathing, the repercussions might be quite a problem. I don't suppose it would just wander off ..

 

[marmalade76]

Does it matter? Hopefully that type will still be covered by potential ban. It is the size of the head (and mouth) that is so horrifying.

I hope so but I'm not so sure, attention seems to be on the XL part and I'm imagining that some bully owners will carry on regardless if there is a ban claiming it's not an XL. The fact that there's a lot of pit bull in these bullies means they're technically already illegal yet nothing is being done re. enforcing the laws we already have.

 

[CorvusCorax]

How much strength would it take to choke a dog like that? Also if it's still breathing, the repercussions might be quite a problem. I don't suppose it would just wander off ..

Not much, the thinner the garotte and the higher up the neck behind the ears, the more severe the action. The idea is that you choke until the dog loses consciousness or close to it, it cannot come back at you then.

 

[Cortez]

I was told by an "acquaintance" involved in the dog fighting world in the US that to get a dog off you either have to use a bite stick to lever the jaws, or stick a finger up their bum. A bucket of water or hose will work with normal dog fights, not sure about a fighting breed, and water not always to hand, obviously.

 

[skinnydipper]

Having never tried to strangle a dog I'm not sure what their response would be. Do they just let you get on with trying to deprive them of oxygen or would a 65 kg dog try to resist?

Not something I'm keen to try.

 

[CorvusCorax]

We've been over this all about a million times already in terms of getting dogs to let go of things they don't want to.

If we're talking about when a dog has something in their mouths which they don't want to let go of, if it is a danger to themselves or others, whether human or animal, then unfortunately someone has to do something to make them let go. Generally when a dog is already attached to something, they don't realise they are being choked off because they are getting their kicks from the bite, until it is too late and then they are in a weaker position and are easier to move around.
Like I have said ad nauseum, a lot of tactical dogs do not have an out trained due to the danger of them letting go at an inappropriate moment, the dogs like those that we all laud for taking down Osama Bin Laden and the Belgium terrorists, those types of dogs are often taken off by being choked off (usually with a flat collar and/or slip line) or with a break stick/hook, these can be bought from or adapted from something like a paint roller. It's often helpful to have a toy or bite roll available for them to redirect onto.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

I was told by an "acquaintance" involved in the dog fighting world in the US that to get a dog off you either have to use a bite stick to lever the jaws, or stick a finger up their bum. A bucket of water or hose will work with normal dog fights, not sure about a fighting breed, and water not always to hand, obviously.

The chap in the video explained that those just don't work. High pressure hose down its throat and drown it would but doubt if one would be to hand or even if you could get it between its teeth. He said finger up bum or lifting hind legs off the ground won't work and I guess if they did you would then have an angry dog coming at you. Choking it till it loses consciousness seems to be the safest for the human intervening.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Just seen this advert. One parent a pressa, thought they were banned. Owned by breeder.

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[skinnydipper]

Generally when a dog is already attached to something, they don't realise they are being choked off because they are getting their kicks from the bite, until it is too late and then they are in a weaker position and are easier to move around.

In terms of manoeuvrability, there is a bit of a difference in mass and weight between a Malinois and an XL bully, about 35 kg difference I would guess.

Like I have said ad nauseum, a lot of tactical dogs do not have an out trained due to the danger of them letting go at an inappropriate moment, the dogs like those that we all laud for taking down Osama Bin Laden and the Belgium terrorists, those types of dogs are often taken off by being choked off (usually with a flat collar and/or slip line) or with a break stick/hook, these can be bought from or adapted from something like a paint roller. It's often helpful to have a toy or bite roll available for them to redirect onto.

While it may be second nature to you, I would guess that those of us who have no experience of dogs who are trained to bite might struggle with knowing what we should be doing in the heat of the moment, or having appropriate tools to hand.

Not trying to be argumentative, just my thoughts.

 

[Cortez]

While it may be second nature to you, I would guess that those of us who have no experience of dogs who are trained to bite might struggle with knowing what we should be doing in the heat of the moment, or having appropriate tools to hand.

Not trying to be argumentative, just my thoughts.

Yeah, I have broken up a couple of fights (not pitbulls involved), and a dog-on-cat attack, but nothing as severe as the stuff shown in videos. Any other info I have comes from a man involved in training and staging dog fights in the US. I have seen the aftermath of that, and some videos.....wish I hadn't.

 

[splashgirl45]

Just seen this advert. One parent a pressa, thought they were banned. Owned by breeder.

American Bulldog puppies for sale | Pets4Homes

Find 70 American Bulldog puppies for sale on Pets4Homes - UK’s largest pet classifieds site to buy and sell puppies near you.

www.pets4homes.co.uk

It’s ok because he thought about it . While people like this are breeding there’s no hope of us feeling safe when out with our little dogs

 

[AmyMay]

Just seen this advert. One parent a pressa, thought they were banned. Owned by breeder.

American Bulldog puppies for sale | Pets4Homes

Find 70 American Bulldog puppies for sale on Pets4Homes - UK’s largest pet classifieds site to buy and sell puppies near you.

www.pets4homes.co.uk

Advert appears to have gone.

The Presa is not a banned breed in the Uk

 

[CorvusCorax]

In terms of manoeuvrability, there is a bit of a difference in mass and weight between a Malinois and an XL bully, about 35 kg difference I would guess.



While it may be second nature to you, I would guess that those of us who have no experience of dogs who are trained to bite might struggle with knowing what we should be doing in the heat of the moment, or having appropriate tools to hand.

Not trying to be argumentative, just my thoughts.

I don't personally deal with Malinois.

I've given what advice I feel qualified to, using my own knowledge and experience, on umpteen occasions, on foot of questions that people have asked on here or things they have posted. As with everything, people can take it or leave it.

 

[skinnydipper]

I don't personally deal with Malinois.

a lot of tactical dogs do not have an out trained due to the danger of them letting go at an inappropriate moment, the dogs like those that we all laud for taking down Osama Bin Laden

Cairo, the canine member of the Seals team, was a Malinois.