Another fatal dog attack
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marmalade76
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Had a customer today who said that her vets sent out a letter when the upcoming legislation was announced and she's going to have to muzzle her dog and keep it on the lead, but she said she doesn't need insurance because he's registered with a vet, and... wait for it, because he's not 'pure' XL bully, he's crossed with a pitbull.
I suggested that she should double check (trying to be polite, as I am paid to not offend people)
So it's already an banned dog and should already be muzzled and kept on a lead?
Smitty
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I absolutely don't understand. There isn't actually a ban is there on the ones already in existence? Why are all these dogs now in rescue?
Honestly, if a law came in where all JRT type dogs had to be chipped, insured, neutered and muzzled I would not dream of getting rid of my dog.
Non of the above are impossible and indeed I have had 2 JRT type terriers from rescues where all of the above were applied.
If the owners are now getting twitchy because of the number of attacks, then why in the hell didn't they think about the type of dog they were getting in the beginning.
I'm gobsmacked by the way this is going.
Honestly, if a law came in where all JRT type dogs had to be chipped, insured, neutered and muzzled I would not dream of getting rid of my dog.
Non of the above are impossible and indeed I have had 2 JRT type terriers from rescues where all of the above were applied.
If the owners are now getting twitchy because of the number of attacks, then why in the hell didn't they think about the type of dog they were getting in the beginning.
I'm gobsmacked by the way this is going.
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
Maybe because these dogs were not actually pets but animals used to breed and without a market no longer profitable
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Be interesting to see if the large UK-wide pet business named on that Facebook page has a corporate view on this interesting plan.....
SilverLinings
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Out of curiosity, which business is that CC? I'm not on Facebook.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Clodagh
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I’m very confused by this rescue. What are they rescuing the dogs from? Can they run free and entire and unmuzzled in Ireland? It’s not like the firing squad await in England.
tristars
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what a change that will be, sending dogs to ireland instead of irish puppy farms sending to them england
AmyMay
Situation normal
KittenInTheTree
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Don't all dogs have to have pet passports and proof of rabies vaccination to travel nowadays?
SaddlePsych'D
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I cannot imagine sending my dog off (back!) over to Ireland (or anywhere) to an uncertain future. How is that better?!
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Depends where they're going to and from, under what auspices, and who's checking, apparently.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
It's not "Ireland", it's Northern Ireland, which is the UK. The dogs are already restricted here (Ireland), but not in NI.
Incidentally, N.Ireland is probably where these American fight dogs originally began to be imported to, it's the centre of organised dog fighting in Europe and has/had some extremely suspect animal laws (now I believe tightened up) which formerly allowed the importation of all kinds of exotic zoo animals without license or regulation.
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
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Clodagh
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Sorry, I assumed they’d be heading south. Oops blooper!
ArklePig
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You can guarantee they'll end up down south as well. There are no checks on dogs crossing the border.
I didn't see this issue popping up on my list of Reasons Why We Need a Government.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Except they are already restricted here, and we have Dog Wardens.....
paddy555
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re your attachment.
Why do people keep referring to very large and often out of control bull breed dogs as "babies" There is nothing less "baby" like.
presumably the banned dogs could also go to Scotland? the ban is only England and Wales.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
There was an attack in Waterford this week, unfortunately.
Landcruiser
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Why should vets have to carry the debt, and go through the admin hassle of claiming it back? It's bad enough that they are having to kill healthy dogs
Cortez
Tough but Fair
There were two, all dogs siezed, injuries minor, thankfully. They are a problem here too, obviously, but there are far fewer of them about.
AdorableAlice
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They won't be doing all of the disposals, Council's are putting in resources to destroy.Why should vets have to carry the debt, and go through the admin hassle of claiming it back? It's bad enough that they are having to kill healthy dogs
ArklePig
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Well yes, but there are some of them about. My in laws rented a room to a student who's family breeds the yokes. And I think our dog Wardens are great but I also believe the last thing we need is an influx of bullies because attacks do happen though thankfully nowhere near the regularity that they happen in Britain.
Mrs. Jingle
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I believe there has been another one in Wexford too. We really do not need anymore coming here, we have our own problems. Edited to say, apologies Cortez I did not see you had already mentioned this second attack
https://www.independent.ie/regional...er-dog-attack-in-enniscorthy/a1437735111.html
https://www.independent.ie/regional...er-dog-attack-in-enniscorthy/a1437735111.html
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inandout
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Owning a banned dog is far more complex than that, issues with housing and accessing dog related services and the fact that you cant rehome unless you are dying.
The type actually covers all bull breeds larger than a staffi. Rotties mastiffs boxers will all type as a xl bully. If followed they will disappear as uk breeds within 10 yrs.
The govement have massively messed up on this. They had the opportunity to focus on responsible ownership and breeding with the full support of charities and the dog control coalation. Instead they have lost all there support and opened up a whole new market for breeders. People will look to replace there now banned large bull breeds with something similar but legal. The giant breeds will be crossed with smaller breeds or bred together into new types. Lgds will take off and so will large spitz types. The now illegal bull breeds will be bred with anything long coated or pointy faced to get around the legislation. Xl bully x caucasian shepherd. Presa x akita. Malinois x boerbol. You think big bull breeds are bad watch a lgd deal with a threat.
You might say the answer is to just keep banning (until it gets to your breed and you cant go on holiday with them or get another when you lose them) but its not cause this ban wont work. The pit ban didnt as there are more pits now and loads more deaths from pits than when they legal. Do you want that a similar statistic with xl bullies. It will make the last few years look good tbh.
Every piece of goverment advisor correspondance on this shows the same thing, signifiicant concerns with implemntation and enforcement. Lets say 400000 dogs are types (all bull breeds bigger than a staffi, bull breeds hugely popular in urban area ) will they all be registered by feb, neutered by 2025. How many of them will simply be owned by people who dont bother for whatever reason. Police and local authority rescources are not infinite, in fact they r at record lows. So within 6 months it is an adject failure, more deaths from banned dogs than pre ban essentially. Any alternative then is doomed to failure as everyone will know the laws cant be enforced, So leash muzzle license test ect waste of time. Watch the situation deteriorate rapidly. But hey bullies were banned so thats ok lol.
btw i dont own an xl or any typed dog. I know dogs though and I know the dog world both the legal and illegal sides.
The type actually covers all bull breeds larger than a staffi. Rotties mastiffs boxers will all type as a xl bully. If followed they will disappear as uk breeds within 10 yrs.
The govement have massively messed up on this. They had the opportunity to focus on responsible ownership and breeding with the full support of charities and the dog control coalation. Instead they have lost all there support and opened up a whole new market for breeders. People will look to replace there now banned large bull breeds with something similar but legal. The giant breeds will be crossed with smaller breeds or bred together into new types. Lgds will take off and so will large spitz types. The now illegal bull breeds will be bred with anything long coated or pointy faced to get around the legislation. Xl bully x caucasian shepherd. Presa x akita. Malinois x boerbol. You think big bull breeds are bad watch a lgd deal with a threat.
You might say the answer is to just keep banning (until it gets to your breed and you cant go on holiday with them or get another when you lose them) but its not cause this ban wont work. The pit ban didnt as there are more pits now and loads more deaths from pits than when they legal. Do you want that a similar statistic with xl bullies. It will make the last few years look good tbh.
Every piece of goverment advisor correspondance on this shows the same thing, signifiicant concerns with implemntation and enforcement. Lets say 400000 dogs are types (all bull breeds bigger than a staffi, bull breeds hugely popular in urban area ) will they all be registered by feb, neutered by 2025. How many of them will simply be owned by people who dont bother for whatever reason. Police and local authority rescources are not infinite, in fact they r at record lows. So within 6 months it is an adject failure, more deaths from banned dogs than pre ban essentially. Any alternative then is doomed to failure as everyone will know the laws cant be enforced, So leash muzzle license test ect waste of time. Watch the situation deteriorate rapidly. But hey bullies were banned so thats ok lol.
btw i dont own an xl or any typed dog. I know dogs though and I know the dog world both the legal and illegal sides.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
When you've calmed down and stopped frothing at the mouth, perhaps you could take the time to check your facts?
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
I can't pretend I see this as a bad thing.
