Another fatal dog attack

I always carry a penknife when in working clothes but it would be useless as not sharp enough and would fold up on me if I attempted to stab with it. My elderly mum once had her handbag lifted and it was later handed in to the police. They brought it back to her and told her off for having a very small pair of nail scissors in it. Offensive weapon:oops:
 
Errin Paddywack said:
I always carry a penknife when in working clothes but it would be useless as not sharp enough and would fold up on me if I attempted to stab with it. My elderly mum once had her handbag lifted and it was later handed in to the police. They brought it back to her and told her off for having a very small pair of nail scissors in it. Offensive weapon:oops:
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Funny aside here, to lighten the mood. This reminded me of something that happened a very long time ago.

When I was young I was a bookseller, and responsible for window displays. We had a Second World War promo. My then boyfriend suggested I used an old WW2 grenade and an armour piercing bullet which had belonged to his late dad, as part of the display, which I did. Great window display, busy shopping street in Wolverhampton, very popular, sold lots of books. After a few weeks, the display came down.

A couple of weeks later, we were out for the evening in Birmingham, and came back to his car to find it had been stolen. We reported it, got a train home, and that was that. Until the police visited a couple of days later and arrested him for suspected terrorism. Turned out, they'd found the stolen car, but checked the glove compartment and found the grenade. He'd collected me the night I'd taken the WW2 display out of the window...

Explanations were given, and checked out, and he was released, and allowed to take his car. The grenade had been destroyed by the bomb squad - turned out it was live, despite having no pin :oops: :eek:.

We found the armour piercing shell still in the glove compartment, rolled to the very back - they'd not found it. I think we threw it in the sea.....
 
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I've seen that video a few times/seen it pop up on IG. Drives me bonkers. Again, humans failing the dog.

A lot of the comments on FB did call the parent out for being an absolute idiot and most see that the whole situation/allowing your kid to do that is moronic.


I think I've said this before but I almost adopted a Lab that bit a kid in the face. We just had too many stairs for her aging arthritic joints. I had no issue with her bite history, because it was basically under the same circumstances as seen in this video, including the kid grabbing her ears in a harsh/stupid manner.

A kid ran up to my Corso out of nowhere a few months back in a shop and immediately grabbed her face. My dog just backed up and was very uncomfortable. The parents scolded the child, and my dog was a bit wary of kids for a bit. I should've been more alert, but damn it was fast! Even the shop owner didn't have time to say something (we were chatting).

I do the best to train my dogs, but train your damn kids!
 
There's a post near the start of this thread, which gives a link explaining the genetic component of this problem with the XL bullies original USA breeding. Seems so plausible, and indicated to me that only euthanasia can be the solution, as you presumably won't know by now if your dog has this breed line and will flip and attack. (Unless owners kept them muzzled at all times, I suppose that would work but I don't expect it would be acceptable .)
Whoever posted it, thank you.
 
CanteringCarrot said:
A kid ran up to my Corso out of nowhere a few months back in a shop and immediately grabbed her face. My dog just backed up and was very uncomfortable. The parents scolded the child, and my dog was a bit wary of kids for a bit. I should've been more alert, but damn it was fast! Even the shop owner didn't have time to say something (we were chatting).

I do the best to train my dogs, but train your damn kids!
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We've had similar.

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If you cannot keep your child under control, please keep it on a leash.

Walking along a path with a friend and his lurcher, both dogs on leads, when a child of approx 5 years, coming towards us, threw herself at the lurcher and tried to hug her. Luckily, the lurcher, who can be grumpy with strange dogs in her face, was so stunned by this invasion of personal space she did not react.

Before we could get past, the child lunged for the big girl, slapping her on her back.

The mother laughed and said "Oh, she loves dogs"
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limestonelil said:
There's a post near the start of this thread, which gives a link explaining the genetic component of this problem with the XL bullies original USA breeding. Seems so plausible, and indicated to me that only euthanasia can be the solution, as you presumably won't know by now if your dog has this breed line and will flip and attack. (Unless owners kept them muzzled at all times, I suppose that would work but I don't expect it would be acceptable .)
Whoever posted it, thank you.
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I feel like with all of the genetic testing we have nowadays, it wouldn't be all that hard to figure out if your dog has this breed line/genetic component.
 
skinnydipper said:
If you cannot keep your child under control, please keep it on a leash.

Walking along a path with a friend and his lurcher, both dogs on leads, when a child of approx 5 years, coming towards us, threw herself at the lurcher and tried to hug her. Luckily, the lurcher, who can be grumpy with strange dogs in her face, was so stunned by this invasion of personal space she did not react.

Before we could get past, the child lunged for the big girl, slapping her on her back.

The mother laughed and said "Oh, she loves dogs"

"And my dog loves children, so juicy and tender"
 
My bad I missed that addition, I can understand not placing them in homes but not taking them reduces options for owners with worries and issues, I agree people should 1, be more committed to their dogs and muzzle train etc in anticipation of what's coming for these dogs 2, have done their research before getting one etc etc. People will have been caught out though and if you have a young family and are worried about your XL bully types behaviour options open to you are reducing rapidly.
I worry what this will mean for the dogs and the public around them.
 
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To simplify the issue there appears to be two reasons why there are a lot of attacks by XLBs:
  1. The breed: genetics and physical strength and size
  2. The breed attracting quite a lot of owners who have no idea what they are doing, no common sense and know nothing about dog behaviour
The video examples quoted above show exactly why reason two is contributing to the increasing number of attacks. Some people really are stupid, and clearly care more about internet 'likes' than they care about their kids or dogs.

It's a shame Children's Services are already overwhelmed as some of these parents need a serious talking to about the fact that if they continue to put their child at risk of serious harm like this then they will be at risk of the child ending up under the care of the state (or dead). It is appalling that some parents think that this is in anyway ok, it is totally unacceptable and very bad parenting.
 
CorvusCorax said:
A knife is an offensive weapon, the police won't care why you're carrying it, if you're caught with it in public.
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A folding knife, which does not have a mechanism to lock the blade in the open position, is not considered a weapon by design of the cutting edge is less than 3 inches (76.2 mm) n length.

Oops, just noticed that Tiddlypom had already posted much the same.
 
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SilverLinings said:
To simplify the issue there appears to be two reasons why there are a lot of attacks by XLBs:
  1. The breed: genetics and physical strength and size
  2. The breed attracting quite a lot of owners who have no idea what they are doing, no common sense and know nothing about dog behaviour
The video examples quoted above show exactly why reason two is contributing to the increasing number of attacks. Some people really are stupid, and clearly care more about internet 'likes' than they care about their kids or dogs.

It's a shame Children's Services are already overwhelmed as some of these parents need a serious talking to about the fact that if they continue to put their child at risk of serious harm like this then they will be at risk of the child ending up under the care of the state (or dead). It is appalling that some parents think that this is in anyway ok, it is totally unacceptable and very bad parenting.
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I would add 3 - they seem to be marketed as family dogs for some strange reason.
 
Keith_Beef said:
A folding knife, which does not have a mechanism to lock the blade in the open position, is not considered a weapon by design of the cutting edge is less than 3 inches (76.2 mm) n length.

Oops, just noticed that Tiddlypom had already posted much the same.
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My dude, I'm only so well versed on this because I was almost arrested over the head of having a small lock knife and a Leatherman in my handbag. Only nepotism saved me from a criminal record.
 
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