Another fatal dog attack

One of our small dogs has the same reaction to deer as children playing in a playground. She's fine to keep around children, though I probably wouldn't think so if it wasn't due to her size of five kg. She's also not left alone with small children, neither is any of our dogs. Dogs are predators and children sound like preys... but good luck solving that with love.
 
Smitty said:
What is it about these dogs? They seem to nip out the door and then attack something.

I hope the dog is destroyed and the owner has criminal proceedings brought against them as they have most certainly broken the law.
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Well, they are exceptionally inbred, also bred to attack and refuse to back down.
I think the more appropriate question is about the numbskulls who think they are family pets.
 
You take a dog bred to fight and keep fighting even when its hurt, and then you cross it and fiddle with it to make it look bigger and tougher even though some very dodgy temperaments come up. Those dodgy temperaments are also the biggest most muscular dogs, so you use them more and more. And then you sell them indiscriminately to anyone who will have them, and here we are.
 
Landcruiser said:
And yet still the majority of comments on FB items mentioning XL attacks defend the dog, insist it's just a training issue...
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I watched a video last year, it was one of the viral ones where the xl chased a guy onto a garage forecourt then attacked the guy who ended up on the ground. I’ve never known a dog to behave like that other than the police gsds/malinois that are trained to bite. There was another video in the park we use, 2 xls who’d escaped the house and attacked a dog we’ve met occasionally. A passerby was thumping the dogs with his scooter, made no difference but I think nobody was prepared to haul them off, quite understandably. Video was all over the Neighbourhood app.

There was a further xl attack, on a person, near me this week. Neighbour’s dog escaped (!!) and bit someone who was bleeding a lot. Dog was seized, again, likely to be euthanised. Honestly, I just don’t see the point of having these dogs. Surely you’d be incredibly careful/scared for its future or better yet, choose a different breed. I guess if you already had one, then you wouldn’t be able to simply ‘get rid’, you’d be very attached, obviously but anyone getting the type now just amazes me.
 
Ignorance. I know someone who has purchased a staffie puppy, got it at 8 weeks old. They have had several staffies in the past. This one is now 7 months old, stands above their knee in height and they reckon it is nearly as long as my greyhound. It does not sound like any staffie that I know and really hope this is not going to end in tears.
 
Cinnamontoast said:
I watched a video last year, it was one of the viral ones where the xl chased a guy onto a garage forecourt then attacked the guy who ended up on the ground. I’ve never known a dog to behave like that other than the police gsds/malinois that are trained to bite. There was another video in the park we use, 2 xls who’d escaped the house and attacked a dog we’ve met occasionally. A passerby was thumping the dogs with his scooter, made no difference but I think nobody was prepared to haul them off, quite understandably. Video was all over the Neighbourhood app.

There was a further xl attack, on a person, near me this week. Neighbour’s dog escaped (!!) and bit someone who was bleeding a lot. Dog was seized, again, likely to be euthanised. Honestly, I just don’t see the point of having these dogs. Surely you’d be incredibly careful/scared for its future or better yet, choose a different breed. I guess if you already had one, then you wouldn’t be able to simply ‘get rid’, you’d be very attached, obviously but anyone getting the type now just amazes me.
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I too watched that first video, heart in mouth :eek: To create such a monstrous dog is, IMO, just a measure of what a sick society we now live in.
 
New Forests Rock said:
I too watched that first video, heart in mouth :eek: To create such a monstrous dog is, IMO, just a measure of what a sick society we now live in.
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I do not know how you’d create that. Is it the inbreeding/they’re wired wrong? I remember watching 2 teenagers teaching their super cute staffie to swing off a tree branch, but unless a dog has an inbuilt killer instinct, I can’t imagine it just randomly attacks as (edit) some of these dogs appear to.
 
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Cinnamontoast said:
I do not know how you’d create that. Is it the inbreeding/they’re wired wrong? I remember watching 2 teenagers teaching their super cute staffie to swing off a tree branch, but unless a dog has an inbuilt killer instinct, I can’t imagine it just randomly attacks some of these dogs appear to.
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Inbreeding, or line breeding as sometimes known, impacts more than physical attributes. Can produce mental instability, retardation, hypersensitivity - depends how intensively and extensively it has been practised for. Any brute of that size and musculature - with even the smallest possibility of not being on an even keel - is an incident waiting to happen.
 
Cinnamontoast said:
I do not know how you’d create that. Is it the inbreeding/they’re wired wrong? I remember watching 2 teenagers teaching their super cute staffie to swing off a tree branch, but unless a dog has an inbuilt killer instinct, I can’t imagine it just randomly attacks as (edit) some of these dogs appear to.
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I think the research is still ongoing, but they were heavily inbred. One of the main sires was known for attacking. They used AI so those genes are in an awful lot of xls. There is almost certainly a genetic element where they just snap. No one knows what it is, I suspect we will find out one day.
 
Cinnamontoast said:
I do not know how you’d create that. Is it the inbreeding/they’re wired wrong? I remember watching 2 teenagers teaching their super cute staffie to swing off a tree branch, but unless a dog has an inbuilt killer instinct, I can’t imagine it just randomly attacks as (edit) some of these dogs appear to.
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All dogs have a prey drive. Humans have then selectively bred to emphasize different elements of the prey drive in different breeds/types of dogs. Gundogs have an instinctive drive for the search and find it element of prey drive, sheep herders the stalk and chase elements, sight hounds and terriers the chase and take down elements etc etc.
There just seems to be bloodlines floating around in the XL gene pool that get an intrinsic kick from the take down and kill, without being that interested in the other elements. I assume that this is why they appear to "just flip".
 
I read that the majority of XL Bullies in this country go back to a dog called Killer Kimbo who's got a genetic defect causing him and his offspring to randomly flip personalities. Don't know how true it all is but it does seem to explain why the breed is so unpredictable.
 
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www.bbc.co.uk

'I thought he was dead' - mum of Doncaster boy, 5, mauled by dog

Five-year-old Roman is recovering after he was attacked by a dog in a Doncaster park.
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I presume this should have been muzzled in public. Still in police kennels so I suppose they are running tests to determine type. Hopefully after it will be destroyed. Owner should have some form of punishment, and not just a fine he can pay off at £1.00 a month, something that would benefit the community like litter picking cos I Don suppose he will be locked up for possessing a deadly weapon.

Poor brave lad, nobody deserves this just for walking in a park.
 
Smitty said:
www.bbc.co.uk

'I thought he was dead' - mum of Doncaster boy, 5, mauled by dog

Five-year-old Roman is recovering after he was attacked by a dog in a Doncaster park.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

I presume this should have been muzzled in public. Still in police kennels so I suppose they are running tests to determine type. Hopefully after it will be destroyed. Owner should have some form of punishment, and not just a fine he can pay off at £1.00 a month, something that would benefit the community like litter picking cos I Don suppose he will be locked up for possessing a deadly weapon.

Poor brave lad, nobody deserves this just for walking in a park.
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Whatever breed it is euthanasia should be the next step , how be long does it take to decide what breed it is, surely the quicker it’s PTS the better for the dog and the costs involved in keeping it in kennels
 
splashgirl45 said:
Whatever breed it is euthanasia should be the next step , how be long does it take to decide what breed it is, surely the quicker it’s PTS the better for the dog and the costs involved in keeping it in kennels
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Absolutely agree, particularly when the police are being made to fund the kennel stay. God knows what the kennel staff must be thinking, probably terrified of going near, so the dog has a horrible time waiting to be pts, basically.
 
Cinnamontoast said:
Absolutely agree, particularly when the police are being made to fund the kennel stay. God knows what the kennel staff must be thinking, probably terrified of going near, so the dog has a horrible time waiting to be pts, basically.
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The dog isn’t the one who should be suffering so I think the quicker they are humanely PTS the better. You can still faff about taking measurements etc if they are dead but please throw the book at the owners
 
splashgirl45 said:
The dog isn’t the one who should be suffering so I think the quicker they are humanely PTS the better. You can still faff about taking measurements etc if they are dead but please throw the book at the owners
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If only they would throw the “book” at owners, instead of some paltry fine, suspended sentence etc etc…
In these days of Official Seizing of Assets, a proper fine including all costs incurred, damages to the people injured or owner of animal killed or injured, paid immediately or assets seized….
Let’s face it, majority of owners of these poor dogs only got them to appear hard, and should not have ownership of any living creature….I say poor dog because they didn’t ask to be bred like this…
 
Marshpiper said:
If only they would throw the “book” at owners, instead of some paltry fine, suspended sentence etc etc…
In these days of Official Seizing of Assets, a proper fine including all costs incurred, damages to the people injured or owner of animal killed or injured, paid immediately or assets seized….
Let’s face it, majority of owners of these poor dogs only got them to appear hard, and should not have ownership of any living creature….I say poor dog because they didn’t ask to be bred like this…
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You are assuming the owners have assets. The majority wont have.
 
I'm Dun said:
I think the research is still ongoing, but they were heavily inbred. One of the main sires was known for attacking. They used AI so those genes are in an awful lot of xls. There is almost certainly a genetic element where they just snap. No one knows what it is, I suspect we will find out one day.
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With respect, there’s no need to research anything - the dogs maim and kill, they are illegal. Genetic tests on dogs held in custody are irrelevant, other than possibly charge the owner with an additional offence, but this one already held exemption and was in a private home.
Even if tests proved a cocker spaniel in heavy disguise - still going to be destroyed.
 
Exasperated said:
With respect, there’s no need to research anything - the dogs maim and kill, they are illegal. Genetic tests on dogs held in custody are irrelevant, other than possibly charge the owner with an additional offence, but this one already held exemption and was in a private home.
Even if tests proved a cocker spaniel in heavy disguise - still going to be destroyed.
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Genetic studies on XL bullies aren't to prove the background of the dogs, they're to determine how and why their genetics predisposes them to such aggressive and dangerous behaviour. This can then be used to direct further research, testing and potentially legislation of other current or emerging breeds that carry similar genetic predispositions.
 
JFTDWS said:
Genetic studies on XL bullies aren't to prove the background of the dogs, they're to determine how and why their genetics predisposes them to such aggressive and dangerous behaviour. This can then be used to direct further research, testing and potentially legislation of other current or emerging breeds that carry similar genetic predispositions.
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Thank you. You saved me typing out a really narky reply.
 
JFTDWS said:
Genetic studies on XL bullies aren't to prove the background of the dogs, they're to determine how and why their genetics predisposes them to such aggressive and dangerous behaviour. This can then be used to direct further research, testing and potentially legislation of other current or emerging breeds that carry similar genetic predispositions.
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Yes, well, could potentially also be used to advocate ‘breeding out’ such tendencies from huge dogs, possibly by the same aficionados who argue inadequate training / nurture is the issue - simply because a huge and dangerous-looking dog confers status on the owner…. We might get a bit further with the problem by genetically testing and psychologically examining such owners.
In humans all sorts of research, including genetic and biological, has been conducted into ‘psychopathy’, and what triggers some psychopaths to homicide. Still no closer to eliminating that little problem, they are people, these are dogs, not endangered species but dogs engineered by humans, and dogs that humanity absolutely does not need. Get rid.
 
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