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Michen said:
I’m feeling really shit though that he’s been working so hard on it hunting etc. If I had literally had a few more sj lessons in Oct/nov this would have been picked up on within weeks not months. Bloody hope I’ve not ruined his chance of recovery from carrying on...
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I think that's being unfair. The vast majority of owners/riders would take the issues you were having with him becoming disunited between fences, as being a training issue not a physical issue. that was clear from the post you made about it too. I don't think a few more lessons would have prompted you to get a vet; it's so subtle. Even at the vet assessment he was sound at first blush.

Also, hunting is not something he could do if in pain. He enjoyed it and jumped well; I don't think you need to feel sorry for him for doing that.

Don't be so hard on yourself...easier said than done I know. But sort it ?
 
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Michen said:
I’m feeling really shit though that he’s been working so hard on it hunting etc. If I had literally had a few more sj lessons in Oct/nov this would have been picked up on within weeks not months. Bloody hope I’ve not ruined his chance of recovery from carrying on...
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It was so subtle you really cannot blame yourself, like most of us I thought it really looked more of a training issue than anything else, he has been jumping out of his skin, not though pain, he looks fab, feels fab he is a very lucky boy to have you as his owner.

The offer I made is still there if box rest becomes tricky as time goes on.
 
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be positive said:
It was so subtle you really cannot blame yourself, like most of us I thought it really looked more of a training issue than anything else, he has been jumping out of his skin, not though pain, he looks fab, feels fab he is a very lucky boy to have you as his owner.

The offer I made is still there if box rest becomes tricky as time goes on.
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I’m tempted to pack him off to you before it becomes tricky tbh ;)
 
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I am sorry it is a 'long haul' job, but lucky Boggle in having an attentive owner.
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Thank you! I’m actually fairly relaxed about it I think... the googling scared me a bit but this HAS to be better than a chronic PSD issue I was expecting even if the rehab is arguably longer! And he’s young, and such a dude, any time spent waiting and resting is going to be worth it in the long haul.
 
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Now HHO, who wants to find me an Irish project to keep me amused for the next 12 months? Also if anyone is looking for a 3.5 lorry mine is 100% up for grabs ;)
 
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My 23yo has had 2 sesamoidian ligament issues. First was in 2015 in a hind leg, distal sesamoidian ligament injury with secondary annular ligament thickening. He had PRP in the sesamoidian and op to cut the annular. Healed really well and he returned to full work (low level eventing).
The second was in a foreleg March last year, his straight sesamoidian ligament. Very obvious, as he had (and still does) massive wingalls and there was a big hole on the scan. For him it was retirement due to his age and other past issues, vet had said if he was younger it would have been a guarded prognosis to return to work with at least 12 months field rest. I didn't box rest him, just field rest from the start. It did play up a couple times for the first 6 months or so, but has not given him any trouble for the last 4 months.

Fingers crossed for Boggle, hopefully you can work out a rehab programme to help his leg and balance keeping him sane.
 
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Just wanted to say I know exactly hoe you feel. My horse had a swollen leg, but was 100% sound, she had a full lameness workup and the leg was scanned, but nothing showed up. Vet said to keep working her. She went mildly lame 6 months later and surgery found a tear to the edge of her DDFT. I felt awful at the time, but the only other option would have been operating on a sound horse which seems mad.

I would recommend hand walking with food. I know some people will disagree but I had chopped up carrots in my pocket and if she even glanced at something or I lost her attention for a second i waved a bit of carrot at her. When I started hacking my OH led me for a couple of weeks until she was calmer
 
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AandK said:
My 23yo has had 2 sesamoidian ligament issues. First was in 2015 in a hind leg, distal sesamoidian ligament injury with secondary annular ligament thickening. He had PRP in the sesamoidian and op to cut the annular. Healed really well and he returned to full work (low level eventing).
The second was in a foreleg March last year, his straight sesamoidian ligament. Very obvious, as he had (and still does) massive wingalls and there was a big hole on the scan. For him it was retirement due to his age and other past issues, vet had said if he was younger it would have been a guarded prognosis to return to work with at least 12 months field rest. I didn't box rest him, just field rest from the start. It did play up a couple times for the first 6 months or so, but has not given him any trouble for the last 4 months.

Fingers crossed for Boggle, hopefully you can work out a rehab programme to help his leg and balance keeping him sane.
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Thanks! There’s no hole or anything like that, and never any acute lameness etc so hopefully that makes the prognosis better.

I think we will want to bring him back “by” 12 months if possible incase it needs surgical intervention via insurance. Of course the issue with bog is we can only see this lameness through decent work/jumping so it’ll be hard to judge recovery.
 
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Ah Michen, glad you are feeling relaxed about the outcome. I'm pleased it wasn't as bad as you were initially worrying about, although still gutting I'm sure.

Fingers crossed the next few weeks/ months of box rest fly by and you're back on board in no time at all xx
 
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Well done for picking this up when he was jumping. I hope he has a speedy recovery- hopefully he will settled with the box rest. Mt own horse really cant so box rest and box walks I have thankfully only had to do it for 3 weeks. With him it was the horses coming in and out he just couldn't handle the comings and goings. My vet was great and gave me ACP tablets which took the edge of him. However, I would send him to a different yard if I had to do it again. He is far better when I wasn't around fussing!
 
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Disappointing but not disastrous. It’s a minor niggle to him!
There are a few different seasamoid ligaments, one of mine damaged his oblique one. From memory I did shockwave therapy, box rested with controlled exercise for 12 weeks. Turned away for 12 weeks. Slow return to work and it was all healed fine.
 
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ihatework said:
Disappointing but not disastrous. It’s a minor niggle to him!
There are a few different seasamoid ligaments, one of mine damaged his oblique one. From memory I did shockwave therapy, box rested with controlled exercise for 12 weeks. Turned away for 12 weeks. Slow return to work and it was all healed fine.
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Cool- thanks. I think that’s the sort of plan we are thinking. I don’t want to bring him back too quickly but do need to have him back (assuming scans improve etc) enough to assess whether it’s worked before insurance runs out, in an ideal world. Maybe 3 months box rest and 5 months field rest type thing.
 
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Michen said:
Thanks! There’s no hole or anything like that, and never any acute lameness etc so hopefully that makes the prognosis better.

I think we will want to bring him back “by” 12 months if possible incase it needs surgical intervention via insurance. Of course the issue with bog is we can only see this lameness through decent work/jumping so it’ll be hard to judge recovery.
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That does sound good, and also positive the symptom was very subtle. There was a noticeable hole both times for my boy, and noticeable lameness/swelling too.
 
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Can’t go wrong with a boggle stunt double surely?

As for the original, I’ve become pretty pragmatic with mine, I no longer feel sorry for myself when ours go wrong, just see what turning away and excellent osteopath/physio etc can do. We have a mare who had an infected tendon 15 months ago, scans showed the whole thing was shredded by infection, she couldn’t weight bare initially. Vets said PTS as no hope of being able to jump even if she did get through infection. She did 6 months of small paddock rest, then out on a track system with my lunatic. She is now back in work, building up her balance and posture but is hacking for an hour in walk and trot and doing 30min schooling sessions. She’s a real delight personality wise so even if she is only ever ‘just’ a hack it’s worth it. Don’t give up hope!
 
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If I ever come back as a horse, I'd want to be owned by you. Your commitment and dedication has to bd applauded. Boggle is a lucky chap.

I hope that he is able to make a good recovery. Whatever happens you know that you tried your best. You have done an amazing job with him so I hope that can continue. If not, then Boggle mark 2 looks very handsome.
 
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Glad you have got to the bottom of the problem - I'm not surprised there is one and I'm glad it's not chronic as you say! Best of luck with the rehab, and with finding a new project....
 
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