ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
I'd ride that!
Perhaps I'd wait until the New Year but there is nothing there, when combined with the tail pull test result, that would make me think that he shouldn't be ridden.
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I'd ride that!
Perhaps I'd wait until the New Year but there is nothing there, when combined with the tail pull test result, that would make me think that he shouldn't be ridden.
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Trouper
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I can see a slight hesitation in front foot placement but I am not sure I would have picked it up if I had not known there was an issue. I guess the more he goes trotting about like that the more nerve stimulation he creates to help himself to heal so I would also not rule out riding him in the Spring either. Yes, you might not want to push him to competition standard precision but for the fabulous hacking where you are, I just can't see why he wouldn't cope with that.
He may move differently with a rider, of course, but these are all things to be tested out further down the line. For now, it is just such a joy to see him move so well!!
He may move differently with a rider, of course, but these are all things to be tested out further down the line. For now, it is just such a joy to see him move so well!!
Northern Hare
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I think you've found a cracking barn there! How lovely for him to have turnout with other horses, and his little leg-stretch yard where he can chat to his mates. I'm sure it will all aid his recovery. 
Errin Paddywack
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I wonder if the vet didn't know about his problems whether or not he would have picked it up.
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
I do see a slight wobbler type movement, but then I had one was was well tuned in. However, I think it is very mild and, with the quick improvement, I fully expect you to be riding come spring.
I actually think a full return to work is possible.
I actually think a full return to work is possible.
Michen
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Thanks everyone. I’m glad I’m not losing my mind totally to NOT be able to see anything that it’s so subtle, and of course I’m used to seeing him every day. DabDab, next time I get the e stim I’m going to use the vet who does his general work ups and is therefore more used to the stompy native pony gate than the rest. That’s a good point!
He’s always been a terrible mover bar the canter. He’s not exactly built well for it all.
I do really think he’d need to be completely non ataxic for me to ride though, but maybe it’s not such a stupid thing to dream he may get there given this is 30 days post whatever happened. 30 days is nothing.
I will keep going, thank you all for the motivation!!! I feel so motivated when I’m with him doing stuff because he makes you feel like that as he’s so up for it.
I watched Seabiscuit last night, also motivating
and a great movie for those who haven’t seen it.
He’s always been a terrible mover bar the canter. He’s not exactly built well for it all.
I do really think he’d need to be completely non ataxic for me to ride though, but maybe it’s not such a stupid thing to dream he may get there given this is 30 days post whatever happened. 30 days is nothing.
I will keep going, thank you all for the motivation!!! I feel so motivated when I’m with him doing stuff because he makes you feel like that as he’s so up for it.
I watched Seabiscuit last night, also motivating
and a great movie for those who haven’t seen it.
Pinkvboots
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I think he looks good but I totally understand you not wanting to ride him until you know he is totally OK, I have had a horse fall on me while riding so I would be exactly the same, when Arabi started tripping at the beginning of the year I didn't want to ride him so I didn't luckily I had a feeling it was the shoes, we took them off and he immediately walked normally so I started riding him again.
Snowfilly
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I don’t know if it’s possible where you are but a friend assessed her pony who had weird movement by making a wooden platform and trotting him over it - the movement was too slight to see easily but could be caught by ear that the trot steps weren’t quite a pair. She also recorded the noise as a record from day to day.
Might be worth a go if you’ve got a tarmac road or similar to walk on and someone to record him?
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
walking him on fresh snow on a flat surface is great for seeing uneven footprints too.
meggymoo
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May be a stupid suggestion but do you have any good video of pre-dramas that vet could see what was a “normal-for-bog” gait for comparison?Thanks everyone. I’m glad I’m not losing my mind totally to NOT be able to see anything that it’s so subtle, and of course I’m used to seeing him every day. DabDab, next time I get the e stim I’m going to use the vet who does his general work ups and is therefore more used to the stompy native pony gate than the rest. That’s a good point!
He’s always been a terrible mover bar the canter. He’s not exactly built well for it all.
I do really think he’d need to be completely non ataxic for me to ride though, but maybe it’s not such a stupid thing to dream he may get there given this is 30 days post whatever happened. 30 days is nothing.
I will keep going, thank you all for the motivation!!! I feel so motivated when I’m with him doing stuff because he makes you feel like that as he’s so up for it.
I watched Seabiscuit last night, also motivating
NinjaPony
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I think there is definitely improvement there. I’d give it until January and then start longreining and see how he is without a rider, so you can assess if you are happy to get on him.
Seabiscuit is one of my all time favourite films but I have to be on the right mood to watch it because it makes me weep!
Seabiscuit is one of my all time favourite films but I have to be on the right mood to watch it because it makes me weep!
Bernster
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did I miss it - did you find out what caused it in the first place, was it the EPM?
Michen
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We kind of suspect it is but I'm not sure if I talked the vet into it more than anything lol! It sort of fits with the pneumonia, plus he had steroid injections into the neck and a flu jab a week after. All things that compromise the immune system and let EPM exposure blow up. We wouldn't know without a spinal tap -which would have been cheaper to do than just treating him with the horrendously expensive drug- but more risky and not nice for him so given the drug is safe I elected to just treat anyway.
His neck actually seems really good, he's extremely flexible both ways now on stretches whereas pre injection he had a bit less reach on one side.
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Michen
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I think given the snow, it'll be spring until I can do any trail riding long reining to really see how he is. No bad thing.
Michen
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I need to look for one where he's not being ridden! Most of my videos are of his hooves, rather than the full flight of his leg... annoyingly.
Floofball
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I love the new barn set up M 
hopefully seeing loose horses around him mingling with Piggy will calm his fears 
I can see slight inconsistencies in his footfalls in that video (really don’t know if I would’ve seen them if I didn’t know his story?!?) but considering where he was at the improvements are amazing!! It would be good to compare pre drama videos, to see if the subtleties that can (possibly) be seen are actually there or if it’s just his way. Either way everything looks to be going in a very positive direction - keep going Bog!
hopefully seeing loose horses around him mingling with Piggy will calm his fears I can see slight inconsistencies in his footfalls in that video (really don’t know if I would’ve seen them if I didn’t know his story?!?) but considering where he was at the improvements are amazing!! It would be good to compare pre drama videos, to see if the subtleties that can (possibly) be seen are actually there or if it’s just his way. Either way everything looks to be going in a very positive direction - keep going Bog!CanteringCarrot
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What an..."interesting" comment about people in the US not being used to native types. There are native types in the US, my horse that's in the US is on a farm that is predominantly Cobs that were either imported/have imported lineage and there are all sorts of cob or pony types throughout the country. Then you have some Morgan's, which aren't always smooth moving types, never mind a lot of Iberians that can vary in movement too. That's without even touching the gaited crowd. I'd say it's even more diverse in the US and there are many horses with varying types of movement.
A good vet will see it regardless of the type of horse or movement. Bog's movement isn't all that unique or special, I think. Bog is though
I can see what the vets are saying, and maybe if you do ride in later on, you can see how it feels when you're on him. I think that will also play into your decision on whether to press on or not.
A good vet will see it regardless of the type of horse or movement. Bog's movement isn't all that unique or special, I think. Bog is though
I can see what the vets are saying, and maybe if you do ride in later on, you can see how it feels when you're on him. I think that will also play into your decision on whether to press on or not.
brighteyes
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We have a grade 1/2 wobbler with a neck compression. He moves a bit like Spotty Dog off The Woodentops and fails the tail pull test but so far he performs like a normal horse. Helluva jump, too.
Michen
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What an..."interesting" comment about people in the US not being used to native types. There are native types in the US, my horse that's in the US is on a farm that is predominantly Cobs that were either imported/have imported lineage and there are all sorts of cob or pony types throughout the country. Then you have some Morgan's, which aren't always smooth moving types, never mind a lot of Iberians that can vary in movement too. That's without even touching the gaited crowd. I'd say it's even more diverse in the US and there are many horses with varying types of movement.
A good vet will see it regardless of the type of horse or movement. Bog's movement isn't all that unique or special, I think. Bog is though
I can see what the vets are saying, and maybe if you do ride in later on, you can see how it feels when you're on him. I think that will also play into your decision on whether to press on or not.
I guess maybe it depends where you go and the kind of vet? There was certainly nothing other than warm bloods at my last barn and current one is all quarter horses. I’ve never seen anything nativey out and about here either though I’m sure they exist.
Actually no I remember seeing a cob type out hunting!
Bogs movement is just a bit rubbish really in general, it’s always amazed me that he has such a fantastic small horse type canter, it doesn’t match his walk and trot at all but then he puts a good deal more effort into spending time cantering!
Michen
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Jeez- and It’s jumped? That would scare me!!
Laurac13
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My vet said wobbler horses make great jumpers !!!! I definitely wouldn’t personally jump a wobbler though 
CanteringCarrot
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It certainly depends on where you go and the kind of vet. This can be said for many countries or locations. It's mostly stock horses around here, or so I thought. Lots of crossbreeds too. There's also a fair amount of Cobs, Haflingers, and a few WB's. I have no idea what my vet actually sees because I'm not him and don't know every horse in the area. There are people who just have random horses in their backyard. It's so vast in the US.
In my area (which is shite) there are tons of horses, but it isn't horsey at all, if that makes sense, and there are really no boarding barns within an hour of me, good luck finding a legit trainer, and no tack shops. F*cking weird and much of the care or keeping is scary. I dunno, I hate it here
but it's temporary. Sure there are better areas within the country, but at the end of the day, it's still the US, and it's not for me! Many are happy here, and that's fine. We all have differing views and preferences. Having a horse with a good canter is more valuable than one with a good trot anyway
horses generally "make their money" at the canter/gallop, and much can be done to improve the trot.CanteringCarrot
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My vet said wobbler horses make great jumpers !!!! I definitely wouldn’t personally jump a wobbler though
IMO, many dressage horses out there are borderline neuro. If not straight up neurological.
Dontforgetaboutme
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Mine had a weird reaction to a flu jab several years ago, struggled to put her head up & down to graze for a few days after & was not right for couple weeks. She looked very sorry for herself. I always get them to jab in the pec in case happens again they at least can eat comfortably
teapot
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If you have anywhere with a vageuly hard service Michen, might be worth getting full walk and trot up vids on a weekly basis, just so you've got a timeline to work off, both sight and sound wise.
Michen
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Yes! A great stretch. I’ll get some videos today. I don’t want to look too much, think I need to just do what I can.
Such a happy boy today. A week ago I was posting on here pretty much at breaking point!!
Off to XC school Beau in the sun
Such a happy boy today. A week ago I was posting on here pretty much at breaking point!!
Off to XC school Beau in the sun
Michen
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The vaccine company are paying 2,000 of his bill which I’m grateful for. This whole thing with all the meds, excluding the expensive acupuncture was $20,000 so every little helps.
druid
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What you see as a vet is definitely area dependant. And speciality dependant. We had one vet who specialised in lameness in gaited breeds, when someone else had to cover his work ups it wasn't easy when they aren't what you are used to.
DabDab
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It was a pondering rather than a comment tbh (and I thought fairly clearly written as such), I haven't a scooby what kind of horses vets are used to seeing in Colorado.What an..."interesting" comment about people in the US not being used to native types. There are native types in the US, my horse that's in the US is on a farm that is predominantly Cobs that were either imported/have imported lineage and there are all sorts of cob or pony types throughout the country. Then you have some Morgan's, which aren't always smooth moving types, never mind a lot of Iberians that can vary in movement too. That's without even touching the gaited crowd. I'd say it's even more diverse in the US and there are many horses with varying types of movement.
A good vet will see it regardless of the type of horse or movement. Bog's movement isn't all that unique or special, I think. Bog is though
I can see what the vets are saying, and maybe if you do ride in later on, you can see how it feels when you're on him. I think that will also play into your decision on whether to press on or not.
The very up and down type movement in walk of particularly Connemaras, Dales and Fells can easily over-emphasise the picture of a horse stamping down because it's not sure where it's feet are in relation to the ground.
CanteringCarrot
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Sorry if saying "comment" was wrong? I don't know, I just say "comment" whenever someone says something. Even if they're just pondering out loud. It's a comment on the thread to me, that's what I meant.
To me, horses that don't know where they're feet are move differently than the typical native, but I get what you're saying.