Sandstone1
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Be that annoying owner, you have every right to know whats going on with your horse. I would be lighting a fire under them!
Boggle- USA bound!
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Caol Ila
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Surely there must have been some type of handover so the vets on duty now know what’s going on. Keep trying to get a hold of one.
Chucho
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Have been following... so sorry you're going through this.
Just wanted to say that in our recent vet hospital experience where they were super structured about visitation and phone calls, the cases that were doing relatively better than others were called later in the morning round. Not helpful as you sit there tearing your hair out desperate for news, but I guess they can't call everyone at once and have to prioritise somehow. No news is still good news and all that.
Just wanted to say that in our recent vet hospital experience where they were super structured about visitation and phone calls, the cases that were doing relatively better than others were called later in the morning round. Not helpful as you sit there tearing your hair out desperate for news, but I guess they can't call everyone at once and have to prioritise somehow. No news is still good news and all that.
BBP
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It’s a shame that they told you they would update you at 9 and haven’t, but based on my own vets I’m sort of not surprised that they haven’t, as mine are still doing all the morning rounds by 10am. So I generally (unless it’s bad news) didn’t get an update til 11ish.
nagblagger
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Err, you have paid and they have not updated you, at the agreed time, is appalling, even if it was to just reassure you he had settled and would update you after 'rounds'.
Unless you had been told that they were dealing with another emergency, which you could understand, i would be that annoying horse owner and phoning every half hour, or sitting in their waiting room until i got news. They have taken your money quickly enough...but i concur with the above, no news is good news.
Unless you had been told that they were dealing with another emergency, which you could understand, i would be that annoying horse owner and phoning every half hour, or sitting in their waiting room until i got news. They have taken your money quickly enough...but i concur with the above, no news is good news.
SibeliusMB
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Girl...I did the same thing when I moved Sig to the UK and he had his colic issues. I felt so guilty and blamed myself. That, paired with the legitimate post traumatic stress I had from my last horse's colic surgery and death, it was almost too much. Please, please don't do this to yourself. I know what this feels like and if you need someone to vent to or help provide more much needed validation, please PM me. Happy to hand you my WhatsApp and chat if you'd like.
There may still be some ulcer issues, best thing to do for Bog is what you're already doing - you've got him to the hospital and are remaining engaged. You're well within your right to call and request timely follow ups. I also felt extremely upset when I didn't get updates on time, but ultimately they were never because the staff forgot or felt I didn't require them, it was because they ran into another emergency or are short staffed. Not what you want to hear, but sometimes it was helpful for me to know it wasn't intentional. That said, everything feels like a struggle now I'm sure, and even a late update creates a lot of unnecessary stress and heartache when you really need support and stability.
If you haven't already, it might be worth asking for a scope to make sure the ulcers aren't back, and not causing colic symptoms. For Sig, all his colics were tied back to the ulcers that he developed from the trip and the management issues we had at our first yard. It was a dodgy couple of weeks, but once we were able to diagnose the ulcers, start treatment, and change his management routine, he was good as gold. We're now 18 months later and he's looking better than he ever has. Ever. And feeling/working better than ever too.
It's ok to hope. It feels scary to do so now, but Sig and I have everything crossed for you and Bog and we're sending all the love back to you guys. Hugs!!
Michen
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Quick update as I have to run into an appointment. He spiked a fever again last night, they are re doing bloods and trying to get him to eat some mash. Should have some results today or tomorrow. Their best guess at the moment is that it’s a viral infection and the colic is secondary.
Feel utterly sick, I was hoping for better.
Feel utterly sick, I was hoping for better.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Virus is good! Bacterial infection could be drug resistant. Unexplained colic could be inoperable, viral unlikely to go in that direction with him in hospital getting fluids. Horse virus very common, only rarely cause big complications. It could have been a lot worse things than a virus. Fingers crossed he'll be home soon.
In case you forgot. It isn't your fault!
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In case you forgot. It isn't your fault!
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Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
I'm another who would be rejoicing at a virus rather than a blockage. I'm not saying it is easy, but a virus is unlikely to lead to intestines on the operating table. He is a strong horse who can fight a fever.
Fingers and toes crossed.
PS you are not at fault!!!
Fingers and toes crossed.
PS you are not at fault!!!
EventingMum
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So sorry you and Bog are facing this, please don't blame yourself, no owner could care more for a horse than you do x
Haniki
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Everything crossed for Boggle and ((((healing vibes)))).
Michen
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Both vets actually rang me and were very sweet so I’ll pipe down.
I guess viral infection is better than a random colic. But where on earth could he have got it. Now I think about it he coughed a bit trail riding Saturday, I put it down to a dusty hay bag which I cleaned out for Sunday. Didn’t hear him cough at all then. Coincidence maybe or maybe not.
I guess viral infection is better than a random colic. But where on earth could he have got it. Now I think about it he coughed a bit trail riding Saturday, I put it down to a dusty hay bag which I cleaned out for Sunday. Didn’t hear him cough at all then. Coincidence maybe or maybe not.
BBP
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Bugs can transmit viruses. I caught a bunch of coinfecting viruses when I got Lyme disease, so I think the tick probably carried and transmitted them in its bite. They don’t have to cause coughs etc.
Michen
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Christ if he does have a virus and even if he’s fine in a day or two what the heck do I do with him then? He can’t go back to the barn..
AmyMay
Situation normal
Would they not be able to quarantine him?
Michen
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At the barn? I guess potentially but I can only imagine how anyone would feel about him even being there
Anyway one step at a time I guess, may not even be that.
teapot
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Only just seen this, sorry to hear/see Bog's in the wars again. Fingers crossed he's back to his normal self soon 
Ummmm horses get viruses, it happens, why on each wouldn't have they him back?
Ummmm horses get viruses, it happens, why on each wouldn't have they him back?
AmyMay
Situation normal
Exactly this.Only just seen this, sorry to hear/see Bog's in the wars again. Fingers crossed he's back to his normal self soon
Ummmm horses get viruses, it happens, why on each wouldn't have they him back?
Michen
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Only just seen this, sorry to hear/see Bog's in the wars again. Fingers crossed he's back to his normal self soon
Ummmm horses get viruses, it happens, why on each wouldn't have they him back?
Because it could make another horse sick if it’s contagious? I guess the vet will advice how long that period may be
teapot
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It's why quarantine and bio-security protocols are useful each and every day. If it was strangles, flu or EHV I'd understand, kinda at a push. If you did need to quarantine before returning, the vets would be able to advise on where best, home would be safer than staying surrounded by other sick horses and staff you don't know.
Maybe try not to self-implode over the absolute worst, especially as he could have caught it at home anyway
equinerebel
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It’ll depend on what virus, if it is one. It could be something the American horses have a better immunity to than yours does. Try not to overthink it before you know what you’re dealing with (I know, I know, try being the key word!)
SEL
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He could have picked it up from your yard - I'm guessing the other liveries have horses out and about? His immune system won't recognise all the viruses that they just brush off. That temperature spike is his immune system doing its job. The vets will watch to make sure he doesn't over heat and stay hydrated but it'll likely just need to run its course.
Fingers crossed he perks up soon xx
SibeliusMB
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A possible virus is definitely better than unexplained colic and he's in the best place possible to manage it. Most viruses just need to run their course with supportive care and he has that. I hope you're able to take a small breath and get some rest.
As far as the barn, try not to stress it too much. Communicate with your barn manager and the vets, once you guys know more you can all discuss and get a plan together if necessary.
We had a horse catch coronavirus (the horse version, not the thing that ruined civilization
) at my barn in KY back in 2019. We quarantined the horse when he was well enoughto be released from the hospital, and implemented some bio protocols for a couple weeks. Despite that no one, not once, blamed the owner or the horse. We have no definitive idea how these horses catch these viruses. There are a hundred possibilities. I hope your barn will surprise you with their support and understanding.
As far as the barn, try not to stress it too much. Communicate with your barn manager and the vets, once you guys know more you can all discuss and get a plan together if necessary.
We had a horse catch coronavirus (the horse version, not the thing that ruined civilization
) at my barn in KY back in 2019. We quarantined the horse when he was well enoughto be released from the hospital, and implemented some bio protocols for a couple weeks. Despite that no one, not once, blamed the owner or the horse. We have no definitive idea how these horses catch these viruses. There are a hundred possibilities. I hope your barn will surprise you with their support and understanding.
Michen
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A possible virus is definitely better than unexplained colic and he's in the best place possible to manage it. Most viruses just need to run their course with supportive care and he has that. I hope you're able to take a small breath and get some rest.
As far as the barn, try not to stress it too much. Communicate with your barn manager and the vets, once you guys know more you can all discuss and get a plan together if necessary.
We had a horse catch coronavirus (the horse version, not the thing that ruined civilization
That’s exactly what the vets mentioned. Coronavirus. He’s presenting very similarly and it would make sense, that it could make him sick but not other horses when he’s been imported.
Btw thank you so much for your other post, I have read it thoroughly and will properly respond/message you.. I’m just too emotionally fried to think right now
I remember Sid having problems but I didn’t realise you too have the post colic death trauma, it’s like our situations are the same just reverse countries. Madness!I bet you felt like me too where you just wanted to put him on a plane back to the states, as if that would magically cure him.
SibeliusMB
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Oh I absolutely did want to put him back on a plane!! I actually started pricing it out and was gathering the courage to tell my friend back in KY that I made a mistake and wanted to send him back home to her place. I was regretting the move, feeling unbelievably selfish for bringing him over, and blaming myself. And with the extreme anxiety from my last horse's colic related death, I was in a very, very bad place mentally and emotionally.That’s exactly what the vets mentioned. Coronavirus. He’s presenting very similarly and it would make sense, that it could make him sick but not other horses when he’s been imported.
Btw thank you so much for your other post, I have read it thoroughly and will properly respond/message you.. I’m just too emotionally fried to think right now
I bet you felt like me too where you just wanted to put him on a plane back to the states, as if that would magically cure him.
...but then, we got answers, a treatment plan, and progress. And once he turned that corner, he never looked back and we've been flying high ever since. I hope that's the case with you and Bog! FWIW, the coronavirus thing resulted in the horse spending a few days in the clinic, a week or so in the back barn in quarantine, and then he was right as rain. He had some fevers and colic symptoms too. I'm hoping you get answers soon and that Bog has some good news for you tomorrow.
Take your time! I'm here when you're ready.
Michen
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Ok so they did a tap- all good. They have taken him off banamine but based on my visit tonight I think he will need to go back on, they said he had perked up lots in the afternoon and to me he looked worse.
They think he can come off the IV fluids soon. He’s eating a little mash and he’s pooing.
Fecal test back tomorrow evening hopefully and if it’s clear he can move out of isolation.
I wasn’t allowed in with him and when he saw me he was at the back of the stable. Let out a huge whinny and then stood along the bars at the front whilst I just had to stand two feet from him. It was so, so sad!
But they are optimistic. He’s not “colicing” anymore as such. She thinks he will be fine. I am not going to get my hopes up and am still worried sick but I’m not in utter despair so that’s good! Cautiously optimistic.
Cmon Bog! We need at least another 15 years of annoying the shit out of eachother!
They think he can come off the IV fluids soon. He’s eating a little mash and he’s pooing.
Fecal test back tomorrow evening hopefully and if it’s clear he can move out of isolation.
I wasn’t allowed in with him and when he saw me he was at the back of the stable. Let out a huge whinny and then stood along the bars at the front whilst I just had to stand two feet from him. It was so, so sad!
But they are optimistic. He’s not “colicing” anymore as such. She thinks he will be fine. I am not going to get my hopes up and am still worried sick but I’m not in utter despair so that’s good! Cautiously optimistic.
Cmon Bog! We need at least another 15 years of annoying the shit out of eachother!
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
Brilliant news!
You had to stand 2 feet away? That is strange. What is their reasoning for that?
I had my mare have an eye operation. When I turned up she was standing depressed at the back. She was a very opinionated mare and when she saw us, she practically dug her way out! It was quite touching. Bless Bog, he knows his mum is his person alright, even when off colour!
You had to stand 2 feet away? That is strange. What is their reasoning for that?
I had my mare have an eye operation. When I turned up she was standing depressed at the back. She was a very opinionated mare and when she saw us, she practically dug her way out! It was quite touching. Bless Bog, he knows his mum is his person alright, even when off colour!
Ratface
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So pleased to read this update. Keep going in the right direction, please, Bog!
OldNag
Wasting my time successfully....
Just seen this. Poor Bog, and poor you. Sending all possible vibes and keeping everything crossed. Xx
Trouper
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Keeping all fingers and toes crossed and pleased to see that he is making baby steps back to fitness. As you say, there is a while to go yet but he is heading in the right direction so take heart from that. We are all rooting for him.