equinerebel
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Really glad to read this!
Boggle- USA bound!
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humblepie
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Really happy for you about the positive news.
Michen
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So glad he is on the improve, well done Boggle! I will be curious to hear if they come to a definite diagnosis. Keeping in mind that pneumonia can have fungal causes as well as bacterial, and can also be secondary to other infections if he is immunosuppressed. Viral panels don't test for all viruses, just the most common ones (I also work in human pathology, go figure. You may not get a concrete answer which is super frustrating as you can only speculate on any prevention to put in place.
I would buy the smaller Haygain and steam fresh before feeding. They are used here but go damp and mouldy very quickly in hot weather. The risk of fungal spore inhalation would be too much for me for pre-steamed hay.
Yes she doesn’t think it’s likely to be fungal because of how it’s presenting on scan but she did say there can always be surprises with what’s returned on the cultures!
Michen
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If steamed hay is the recommendation then probably twice a day is best; definitely 'safer' and not much trouble in the round of stable work really. Is haylage not a possibility (I am assuming not)? Really good news that things are looking like they are improving all round - Well done Boggle!!!
I haven’t seen haylage here! In truth I could have tried harder to get him insured. But two providers said no and I just sort of gave up. Just made sure he had colicare through a gut supplement.
More fool me but it’s easy to think what if!
Michen
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I love this so much. I’m not allowed to scrape so I will scrape air as it’s the closest I can do without a telling off.what a jester. I’m so glad he’s fighting this so well.
It looks like this but he extends the leg right out and waves it too
he started as a 5 year old when he’d get reprimanded for scraping when tied up. He considers this fair game as there’s no noise element to it so no telling off. He is always finding ways around things
DabDab
Ah mud, splendid
Oh Michen! I have only just read this. So so relieved that it seems to be tentatively positive now. Hope it continues the right way...come on Bog!
hock
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He’s a lateral thinker!It looks like this but he extends the leg right out and waves it too
He is always finding ways around things
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Michen
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Don’t know about Bog being sick but it’s 3am and I feel TERRIBLE 
not sure if it’s the accumulation of the stress of this whole thing. Or my body having taken in food again. Urgh!
not sure if it’s the accumulation of the stress of this whole thing. Or my body having taken in food again. Urgh!
Jenko109
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Stress and anxiety can do insane things to the body.
Have a nice mug of sweet tea.
Have a nice mug of sweet tea.
Ratface
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I've got a confirmed tap dancer! The Arrogant Arabian is a confirmed tap dancer. He's barefoot, so creates less irritating noise, but has clear views about when dinner should be served. Anything later than 17:00hrs is Not Acceptable! Dreadful long yellow teeth, snake face and arched/long-reaching neck all presented. Louder and LOUDER!
YO is not moved by this dreadful behaviour. He gets fed with the other four, when the late afternoon chores are finished.
Michen
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Torturing myself for insurance now. But yeh, this is what I got, twice. I guess basically them saying his vet history was too extensive for coverage.
I should have tried more of them though.
I should have tried more of them though.
Ambers Echo
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I'd stop thinking about insurance. Every policy maxes out after a while and it really does not take long to get to the ceiling. And premiums would have been crippling given the responses you got, or with mega restrictions. And insurers would almost certainly have made demands that you check every drug/test/intervention with them first so the whole thing would have been even more traumatic. I am not insured after maxing out 2 policies in a row (Ginny then Max) and ending up having to spend £££££££ anyway. And Amber's foot injury not being covered for reasons relating to me managing her very conservatively in the first instance on vet advice. And Ginny's scope not being covered - despite the vet suggesting it - because it was negative. Got utterly sick to death of insuring, concluding that the 'security' is largely illusory for anything major and I want total freedom to make decisions with the vets. Not factoring in someone in an office with a diifferent agenda.
Glad to hear Bog is being Bog-like. And I am not surprised you have crashed. You've been running on caffeine, adrenaline and nicotine for a week.
Glad to hear Bog is being Bog-like. And I am not surprised you have crashed. You've been running on caffeine, adrenaline and nicotine for a week.
Pippity
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Blue does the same, but hers is a result of clicker training her to have her feet handled. "When I pick my feet up, I get a treat. Ergo, when I want a treat, I will pick my feet up. I'm a genius!"It looks like this but he extends the leg right out and waves it too
He is always finding ways around things
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So glad Boggle seems to be feeling better. After what you went through with Basil, and with how much effort you put into giving Bog the best life, it seems incredibly unfair you've had to go through this.
Michen
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Thank you AE! I needed that! Easy to feel like a fool for not trying harder. Every time I find something to wind myself up over you all manage to talk me out of it PDQ- thank you
No more nicotine for me now, unless Bog goes downhill. ALL the wine though!
Michen
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It is a bit and it's not like I've ever even taken him for granted, because I know how fragile they are.
He's going to be an absolute monster after this, there will be no limits to the amount he's spoiled and there wasn't many before!
tristar
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well done bog! x
RHM
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Oh I’m so happy he is picking up! This thread was very close to the bone for me. My mare has just had laminitis induced by pneumonia. So I know how stressful this time is! I’m 6 weeks on and still shattered
It’s such a good sign when they are being naughty! When my mare jumped out her pen twice the vets were pleased, despite me crying down the phone at them!
It’s such a good sign when they are being naughty! When my mare jumped out her pen twice the vets were pleased, despite me crying down the phone at them!
NinjaPony
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So glad to hear he’s picked up, I’ve been keeping a close eye on this thread.
That will to live makes such a big difference, my Welsh A had terrible laminitis back in February and I threw the kitchen sink at it because he was fighting (in all senses of the word… trying to get paracetamol in him was fun…) and I knew he could pull through.
Acting up is a good sign in this case, fingers crossed he keeps improving!
That will to live makes such a big difference, my Welsh A had terrible laminitis back in February and I threw the kitchen sink at it because he was fighting (in all senses of the word… trying to get paracetamol in him was fun…) and I knew he could pull through.
Acting up is a good sign in this case, fingers crossed he keeps improving!
doodle
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I must say I was secretly very happy when mine started to be cheeky again!
Annagain
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Glad to read a positive update. Would the colic prevention elements (the tubing etc) be covered so at least you wouldn't have to pay for those? I imagine the lack of poo for a few days would technically constitute colic? It might be worth a try if nothing else? I suspect it's all in the way the hospital write it up.
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
Rigs isn't insured, other than 3rd party. I looked at it that I was going to pay out £70 a month to perhaps be able to claim £5,000 per incident. Minus £350 of course, that I would have to pay. So, I was paying £70 a month for perhaps claiming £4,650. After that, the bill is all mine!!!Thank you AE! I needed that! Easy to feel like a fool for not trying harder. Every time I find something to wind myself up over you all manage to talk me out of it PDQ- thank you
No more nicotine for me now, unless Bog goes downhill. ALL the wine though!
It gives you the illusion of safety, but really it only pays for the part you could probably have paid for yourself with a squeeze and then, when you need it most they tell you that you are up to the limit and would have to pay anyway. I also prefer to decide what is or is not done, without having to wait for offices to open.
BH is insured as I tend to keep them insured while there are no exclusions. I quit the posh company this year and went to E&L though, so we shall see how that works out when we come to claim!
palo1
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Totally agree!! Insurance invariably does NOT cover what you need it to, when you need it or is riddled with appalling conditions and the need to follow specific and sometimes unworkable protocols. Not always in the horse's best interests. That is just my experience but I do also know that I could not self finance a massive claim (such as Boggle's) which is a bit sad. I am at peace with that and try my utmost to do everything I can within my limits, so that has to be what my horses get lol. I am VERY glad for Boggle that there is more in the pot for him lol!!
If 2 insurers refused him you might not have had any luck or at such cost with such restrictions that didn't cover the current situation so could have ended up costing more too....EEEK!!bouncing_ball
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Doesnt it need to be fed fresh? Does it keep 24 hours? I am not sure will do safely.I just bought the bigger hay steamer (need to cancel the other one) because I feel it’s a pain for the barn hands to have to do two rounds, whereas the bigger one can fit 24 hours worth in it.
I know I’m paying for the care but they work hard and I want to make life easy for them. I think the smaller one will be annoying to have to do twice a day.
Amex says YES!!!
Michen
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Haygain says it keeps for 24 hours but I’ll just ask them to do it twice a day. I think the bigger one will still be easier for them.
Michen
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Sadly not, the colicare just covers surgery.
Well not sadly, I’m so glad he’s not had to use it! I’d take the whole bill sitting with me over having to make that decision any day.
Michen
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Oh I’m so happy he is picking up! This thread was very close to the bone for me. My mare has just had laminitis induced by pneumonia. So I know how stressful this time is! I’m 6 weeks on and still shattered
It’s such a good sign when they are being naughty! When my mare jumped out her pen twice the vets were pleased, despite me crying down the phone at them!
Oh my goodness I am so sorry!!!! Did you find out the cause of the pneumonia? I just didn’t even know this was a thing, the laminitis as a side effect that is.
Really hope your mare is on the mend. You have my utmost sympathy xx
AutumnDays
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We use a big haygain on the yard. The nets that are needed straight after steaming get taken out, and the ones that aren't needed until later get left in with it all sealed back up. No problems with any horses doing that. Great to hear your boy is on the up, and yes you do deserve all the wine!
Michen
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Totally agree!! Insurance invariably does NOT cover what you need it to, when you need it or is riddled with appalling conditions and the need to follow specific and sometimes unworkable protocols. Not always in the horse's best interests. That is just my experience but I do also know that I could not self finance a massive claim (such as Boggle's) which is a bit sad. I am at peace with that and try my utmost to do everything I can within my limits, so that has to be what my horses get lol. I am VERY glad for Boggle that there is more in the pot for him lol!!
I don’t think that’s sad. You have other things to finance- grown up things! Not spending stupid money on a ball of brown fury wenched out of a bog in Ireland
I, however, spend my money like I’m going to die tomorrow. If this has happened a few years ago, whilst I’d have still have found a way to finance it, I’d be absolutely beside myself with how I was going to ever pay it off.
Michen
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Well my apartment is very clean.. all done by 5.30am. The truck is next!
RHM
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No, the vets are still baffled. None of the other horses in the yard were ill. But, I am the only one who goes out competing so maybe picked up something out and about, who knows!
Neither did I! I was so shocked when she had it. She didn’t even present as a typical lamanitic, just felt a bit stuffy so took her back in and that was found. It’s certainly been a learning curve!
She is so much better and got some really positive x-rays 2 weeks ago. Thank you!!
I really hope your looking after yourself too! It certainly takes everything out of you when they are poorly. Xx