ester
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CP I think they are motor's feet and iirc he does have cushings. I am sure eaglestone will correct me if wrong!
Brave people post "good shoeing" pix please
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CP I think they are motor's feet and iirc he does have cushings. I am sure eaglestone will correct me if wrong!
Eaglestone
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Thank you all for your replies 
Thank you for replying Tinypony, my Farrier is on top of it, my response is below ...
Ester I am delighted that someone 'knows' Motor, I am flattered
A very good observation and thank you for your reply Cptrayes
Motor is my lovely Welsh D x Hackney, who I have owned for nearly 21 years and he is 'Rising 31' now .... see my Siggie below, which was taken in 2007
In a nutshell .... he went down with Cushings Induced Laminitis in October 2005 and suffered 10 degrees rotation of the Pedal Bone. As time has gone on the hoof wall looks worse after each shoeing. The Farrier and the Vet got him through that awful time - he was on 5 months box rest and in that time he only came out for the Vet or Farrier.
He has been in Pergolide for the 6 plus years and all I can say is that it is a wonder drug. Funnily enough two shoeings ago, I did not take the usual pictures of his feet and the day after he was shod, he went down with Laminitis again for first time in 6 years ..... spooky or what.
He has always had 'cr*p' feet, so I think it is a miracle that he got through it.
I would also like to know opinions regarding the actual shoeing, putting the Necrotic hoof wall aside for the moment?
ETS ... the last pic, which I think looks awful, was the last shoeing, where the Farrier was sooooooooooo careful, so as not to set off a bout of the horrid 'L' word ..... and he had me fussing and flapping in the background
Tinypony said:
Thank you for replying Tinypony, my Farrier is on top of it, my response is below ...
Ester said:
Ester I am delighted that someone 'knows' Motor, I am flattered
A very good observation and thank you for your reply Cptrayes
Motor is my lovely Welsh D x Hackney, who I have owned for nearly 21 years and he is 'Rising 31' now .... see my Siggie below, which was taken in 2007
In a nutshell .... he went down with Cushings Induced Laminitis in October 2005 and suffered 10 degrees rotation of the Pedal Bone. As time has gone on the hoof wall looks worse after each shoeing. The Farrier and the Vet got him through that awful time - he was on 5 months box rest and in that time he only came out for the Vet or Farrier.
He has been in Pergolide for the 6 plus years and all I can say is that it is a wonder drug. Funnily enough two shoeings ago, I did not take the usual pictures of his feet and the day after he was shod, he went down with Laminitis again for first time in 6 years ..... spooky or what.
He has always had 'cr*p' feet, so I think it is a miracle that he got through it.
I would also like to know opinions regarding the actual shoeing, putting the Necrotic hoof wall aside for the moment?
ETS ... the last pic, which I think looks awful, was the last shoeing, where the Farrier was sooooooooooo careful, so as not to set off a bout of the horrid 'L' word ..... and he had me fussing and flapping in the background
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cptrayes
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I think considering his problems that your farrier is marvellous for having kept him going so long and not just giving up on him. Is there any chance of using plastic glue-on shoes? I know they cost a fortune, which you might not have, I just wonder if it's a possible option for him to avoid the concussion of nailing on steel ones.
Cushings can be such a heartbreaking disease to manage, I wish you well with him.
Cushings can be such a heartbreaking disease to manage, I wish you well with him.
minkymoo
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I've read this thread with interest. I know little about feet other than what I have gleaned from
My own farrier when I see him (I work ft).
Having looked at some of the pics (namely those posted by khovan http://m296.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/khovan/Shoeing 14-10-2011/IMG_5046.jpg.html?o=4) and would like to know why there is so much toe over the shoe itself.
I agree that this kind if thread is so informative
My own farrier when I see him (I work ft).
Having looked at some of the pics (namely those posted by khovan http://m296.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/khovan/Shoeing 14-10-2011/IMG_5046.jpg.html?o=4) and would like to know why there is so much toe over the shoe itself.
I agree that this kind if thread is so informative
dafthoss
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What an intresting post, I'm so used to seeing my boys feet who doesnt have shoes on shod feet can look rather diffrent .
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sbloom
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I've read this thread with interest. I know little about feet other than what I have gleaned from
My own farrier when I see him (I work ft).
Having looked at some of the pics (namely those posted by khovan http://m296.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/khovan/Shoeing 14-10-2011/IMG_5046.jpg.html?o=4) and would like to know why there is so much toe over the shoe itself.
I agree that this kind if thread is so informative
It does look like more than normal even with this stype of shoeing but it may be the angle. The shoe it set back to quicken breakover, so the toe is not left behind at the end of the stride, but to cut the toe back that far would not be possible, so the tip of the toe is removed only, just enough to allow the hoof to roll over on the front edge of the shoe.
Spyda
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I should just like to say that there was a load more hoof left over-hanging the shoe than normal. My normal farrier's recently qualitfied apprentice had done this set. My normal farrier has taken over the shoeing once again and a much less over-hang is left now. Back to normal.
The only reason my mare is shod this way is because she's inclined to pull her front shoes off. That's the only reason. She has bilateral bench knees infront, so her front shoes are set in such a way that they are more easily caught when she's messing about in the field.
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trina1982
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This thread has certainly attracted attention. Look at how many views there are, and i have had links to it appear on my facebook feed from various blogs/sites i follow.
Good thread cptrayes!!
Trina x
Good thread cptrayes!!
Trina x
ThePony
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Thank you for posting a before and after A Guilding. Why was the horse left for 6 months initally before you were able to trim him? Amazing that the massive crack had joined at the top of the foot even with the stresses that must have been going through it from the open crack and the hoof wall left so long. Brilliant pics!!
Ace thread, more pics please guys, I'm learing huge amounts!! Thank you cptrayes!!
Ace thread, more pics please guys, I'm learing huge amounts!! Thank you cptrayes!!
riding_high
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ok hopefully this will work.
these are pics of my horses feet taken a couple of years ago. feel free to say what you think. he had to have rolled toes on the front (vets advice).
these are pics of my horses feet taken a couple of years ago. feel free to say what you think. he had to have rolled toes on the front (vets advice).
riding_high
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yikes sorry the pics are massive, i thought i resized them.
Suechoccy
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Never under-estimate sandcracks and broken sidewalls! My horse's off-fore has been on a long journey with these.
I have four photos (2 before, 2 in-midst-of-reshaping) at:
http://s1149.photobucket.com/albums/o597/suechoccy/
When I bought him he had nice-shaped feet, no cracks, and he dished with his off-fore.
Under my farrier, his feet gradually became longer. Shod with a central toeclip, a small sandcrack appeared on off-fore toe. It grew longer over a period of about 18 months, as did the toes, while the heels became progressively under-run and the hoof/pastern axis broke. He remained sound, amazingly. (See two pix on left in the album).
Every time I mentioned the sandcrack to the farrier, he said it was one of those things, and not helped by him dishing. The crack grew longer, the toes grew longer, the sidewall crumbled more, eventually the sandcrack reached all the way to the coronet band.
My vet recommended a new farrier whom I've now used for 6 or 7 years. He has done a fantastic job on my horse's feet.
On the first visit, the sandcrack was cut back to clean hoof. It was a deep narrow crack which couldn't be left unsupported so he bridged across the crack with an araldite resin but warned I must be vigilant for abscesses underneath, esp as my horse lived out. The idea was the resin would stay in place, only being rasped off as the hoof reached the toe on each shoeing, so the resin would gradually grow out.
Two months later, the horse got an infection under the bridge, went lame and when the resin was pared back, out shot a jet of black crumbly gunge. Cleaning the rotten hoof left us with pix 3 - a massive hole in the front of the hoof above the toe Thankfully it didn't extend to the coronet band or to the pedal bone. The farrier decided to leave it open (pix 3) with remaining bridge being enough to support the hoof as there was already some good regrowth at coronet band.
Pic 4 shows the point we got too a few months later where the araldite was rasped off and the remaining portion of crack cleaned out (the hoof wall isn't normally rasped as high as that!).
(I realise what's missing is a pix 5 and 6 of how lovely the hooves look now, axis correct, no cracks, no broken sidewalls, properly supported heels!), and he's now shod with shoes with 2 sideclips, which keeps pressure off the toe and also allows the shoe to be set further back to allow his toe a better breakover point. (The new farrier is ace at explaining things and I can ask him loads of questions).
I have four photos (2 before, 2 in-midst-of-reshaping) at:
http://s1149.photobucket.com/albums/o597/suechoccy/
When I bought him he had nice-shaped feet, no cracks, and he dished with his off-fore.
Under my farrier, his feet gradually became longer. Shod with a central toeclip, a small sandcrack appeared on off-fore toe. It grew longer over a period of about 18 months, as did the toes, while the heels became progressively under-run and the hoof/pastern axis broke. He remained sound, amazingly. (See two pix on left in the album).
Every time I mentioned the sandcrack to the farrier, he said it was one of those things, and not helped by him dishing. The crack grew longer, the toes grew longer, the sidewall crumbled more, eventually the sandcrack reached all the way to the coronet band.
My vet recommended a new farrier whom I've now used for 6 or 7 years. He has done a fantastic job on my horse's feet.
On the first visit, the sandcrack was cut back to clean hoof. It was a deep narrow crack which couldn't be left unsupported so he bridged across the crack with an araldite resin but warned I must be vigilant for abscesses underneath, esp as my horse lived out. The idea was the resin would stay in place, only being rasped off as the hoof reached the toe on each shoeing, so the resin would gradually grow out.
Two months later, the horse got an infection under the bridge, went lame and when the resin was pared back, out shot a jet of black crumbly gunge. Cleaning the rotten hoof left us with pix 3 - a massive hole in the front of the hoof above the toe Thankfully it didn't extend to the coronet band or to the pedal bone. The farrier decided to leave it open (pix 3) with remaining bridge being enough to support the hoof as there was already some good regrowth at coronet band.
Pic 4 shows the point we got too a few months later where the araldite was rasped off and the remaining portion of crack cleaned out (the hoof wall isn't normally rasped as high as that!).
(I realise what's missing is a pix 5 and 6 of how lovely the hooves look now, axis correct, no cracks, no broken sidewalls, properly supported heels!), and he's now shod with shoes with 2 sideclips, which keeps pressure off the toe and also allows the shoe to be set further back to allow his toe a better breakover point. (The new farrier is ace at explaining things and I can ask him loads of questions).
Bramble74
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Being brave - as requested by cptrayes on page 20, pictures of my boys feet just shod, this was December 2011 the previous shoeing (just re shod last Saturday, but phone had died so no piccies).
I am very pleased with this Farrier, he listens! Having run the gauntlet in the past, and especially with the near fore (pictured) which is bad to balance, I am more than happy with his work.
Any comments welcome, thanks cp for those already given, although still feeling a little nervous being quite new to all this posting...
Thanks
http://www.flickr.com/photos/5680823...7629201157067/
I am very pleased with this Farrier, he listens! Having run the gauntlet in the past, and especially with the near fore (pictured) which is bad to balance, I am more than happy with his work.
Any comments welcome, thanks cp for those already given, although still feeling a little nervous being quite new to all this posting...
Thanks
http://www.flickr.com/photos/5680823...7629201157067/
ThePony
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Hi,
Was there a problem with your horse that meant he needed shoes like that infront? Do you know what they offered that some more 'normal' shoes wouldn't like the 2 clip ones set a little back from the toe?
Never seen shoes like that, really interesting!
ester
Not slacking multitasking
bramble your link isn't working for me.
riding_high
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he had been on and off lame for a long time so the vet suggested rolled toe in front to 'help' him with his movement. it didn't. in fact shortly after these pics were taken he was constantly lame and came in crippled every day, i changed vets and asked a barefoot trimmer to remove the shoes immediately.
when i saw the shoes after she removed them i could have cried and saw why my horse was struggling with even standing. he's been barefoot now for about 2yrs and although is footy in places he hasn't actually been lame. i think the shoes were causing him more harm than good.
when i saw the shoes after she removed them i could have cried and saw why my horse was struggling with even standing. he's been barefoot now for about 2yrs and although is footy in places he hasn't actually been lame. i think the shoes were causing him more harm than good.
ThePony
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Oh dear, must have been mega stressful.
I've never seen shoes like that, but can understand that with the rolled front of the shoe how it would help the foot roll, but because the shoe is shaped in that way it seems to extend beyond the front of the hoof and so would delay breakover? Is that ok? A case of pick the aspect that seems to be causing most issue for the horse and fix that? Am confused, is there a farrier reading atm who could explain please, or anyone else who knows?
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I think they are suppose to ease break over when you don't want to bring the toe back further http://www.farrierart.com/rocker_toe_shoe.html
ThePony
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thank you!
Bramble74
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riding_high
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i know very little about feet and like i said it was a few years ago so can't remember what i was told about it.
he had rolled toes with the previous farrier and looking at the difference in how the toes were rolled was quite big. last farrier made it so the shoes were rounded and 'smooth', the farrier who did the shoes in the pic made them so they were more dimpled as in just hit the fronts a few times to make them appear rolled. also the rolled part wasn't central and there were nails going through the rolled part. i never noticed until the trimmer removed the shoes and i had them in my hand.
he had rolled toes with the previous farrier and looking at the difference in how the toes were rolled was quite big. last farrier made it so the shoes were rounded and 'smooth', the farrier who did the shoes in the pic made them so they were more dimpled as in just hit the fronts a few times to make them appear rolled. also the rolled part wasn't central and there were nails going through the rolled part. i never noticed until the trimmer removed the shoes and i had them in my hand.
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
The same foot 9 months on and not without a few probs on the way.
For the first time ever, OH (farrier) has shown an interest in a HHO thread
AG he is more than impressed with your photos, especially the way this "crack" was dealt with. Nice work Suechoccy
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Nobody's looked at my sandcrack photos before and during rehab :-(
(my post detailing it is on page 26).
http://s1149.photobucket.com/albums/o597/suechoccy/
(my post detailing it is on page 26).
http://s1149.photobucket.com/albums/o597/suechoccy/
Jesstickle
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I did look but I know nothing about shoes so I just looked went
and carried on reading. But I promise I noticed your postSuechoccy
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thanks!
cptrayes
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I encouraged Bramble to post these because after all teh
foot problems we have seen and all the set back toes, these look to me like a bog-standard, well fitted shoeing job on a perfectly normal horse 
rhino
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19 and a grey still with black points??? He/she must look stunning
I think you'll find he is an 'uncommon dun roan' and not grey, and at a guess his name is Buzz
Oh well, she's gone now anyway (again)
cptrayes
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These pics and your story are the sort of reason that I wanted to start this post. From your post, you trusted a farrier who let your horse down. With what you know now, you would be able to stop the problem before it got serious, and by sharing it with us other people will now know that whatever their farrier might say it is not normal for a horse with good feet on arrival to develop sand cracks like this. It isn't always the farrier's fault, it will often be the diet and sometimes the conditions (wet/dry/wet/dry is not helpful!) but it wants challenging and sorting out before it risks the horse's soundness. Well done Suechoccy for carrying on questionning until you got the right answer.
Don't panic everyone with horses with sandcracks, they normally aren't as serious as that one turned out to be.
cptrayes
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Spyda would I be correct in translating "bench knees" for people who don't know as "the bottom half of her legs below the knee are set further to the outside than the top half of her legs".
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cptrayes
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ok hopefully this will work.
these are pics of my horses feet taken a couple of years ago. feel free to say what you think. he had to have rolled toes on the front (vets advice).
The problem with this rocker shoe, to me, is that it is so extreme that I would have thought that to cut the toe "up" that much from the floor you then had the shoe bearing on very sensitive bits of the foot. I've seen rocker shoes before but never with such a severe upwards bend. I'm not surprised your boy did not do well in them. I know that if I was daft enough to rasp a curve that big into any of my horse's feet, I would be reaching live white line, at the very least showing pink colouring indicating that I was too close to a blood supply, and quite likely actually drawing blood
I guess the message is to listen to the horse. Your told you he was uncomfortable and you did something about it (gave up shoes). For those who don't feel they can give up shoes, then a change of farrier would be a must under those conditions unless he could make the horse more comfortable.
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