Ifmpw
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I dont agree with this at all
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exracehorse
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Ifmpw
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she is obviously a good actress, so she would probably be able to pretend in this role quite well
Peglo
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I think I’d rather see her try a different sport. Badminton perhaps, where it’s not frowned apon to hit a target with a stick, in fact it’s encouraged. And you can hit harder with a racket.
Ifmpw
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I am actually not sure where this will go but the fact is - she had a choice to do what she did, the horse didn't and why would you not want to allow your lessons to be filmed ?
little_critter
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Victoria Pendleton had a go at horse racing after her cycling career. Maybe we should do a swap and CDJ takes up cycling.
U.N.Owen
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JenJ
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The petition may have started a few years ago, but the wording has been updated to include the latest events
SadKen
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I think she will come back from this. She will need a fabulous PR team, and she will need to do a huge amount to restore trust. That will include a deeply felt public mea culpa and some time in the wilderness quietly showing that welfare comes first. It’s the only way back - and it’ll be a long hard road, but everyone loves a true redemption story.
Winning at welfare is vastly more important to equestrians and the public than winning medals. The GB team have built worldwide support on that foundation.
If it isn’t possible to win at elite dressage without this ‘training’, it’s time to change what is asked of horses in the top tests. I much prefer seeing a beautiful extended trot and canter than a piaffe or passage anyway.
Winning at welfare is vastly more important to equestrians and the public than winning medals. The GB team have built worldwide support on that foundation.
If it isn’t possible to win at elite dressage without this ‘training’, it’s time to change what is asked of horses in the top tests. I much prefer seeing a beautiful extended trot and canter than a piaffe or passage anyway.
Ifmpw
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I was okay until we were asked to give her understanding
SaddlePsych'D
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They lost me a bit on "the events of the last 72 hours prove that these policies do work" - I'm not sure what they mean by this.
I think they could have been more explicit about it but in asking people to remember their duty of care in interactions with each other I suppose that's a reminder that just because she has done something awful, it does not give people carte blanche to say whatever they like (make threats, wildly speculate about aspects of her personal life etc.)
magicmoments
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She most probably has learned it from somewhere, but very much doubt it was from Carl, and to be honest very much resent your inference. She will have had other influences in her career.
Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
Considering that BD train their judges in how to mark tests, all the guff about putting the horses' welfare at the heart of what they do rings rather hollow imho.
SaddlePsych'D
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Some good points here I think.
NotInTheKnow
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Well said
Equi
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So what would it take to come back? What would you find acceptable? And I aim this at everyone knowing some will say there is absolutely nothing she can do or say.
Ifmpw
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Right now, i cant even contemplate how she could "come back"
neddy man
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Todays H&H magazine has the full list of competitors and horses names in all the disciplines for the Paris Olympics, there are only 3 names in the British dressage listing, CDJ not listed, strangely no mention of the CDJ video etc. anywhere in the magazine.
JenJ
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The print version? Probably not a surprise. The video and ensuing story wouldn't have developed enough to reliably comment by the time it went to print - it was probably a last minute change to remove her name from the list as it was.
Ifmpw
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I must admit, as this is such an important topic, I am surprised that their is not more in H & H this week
JenJ
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It's too new a story. I don't know their logistic schedule, but the magazines must have been printed yesterday at the latest; not much had come out on Tuesday. And with a story like this, anything they had said would have been pitifully out of date by today, so the only thing they could probably really do is ignore it.
Dave's Mam
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I haven't commented much, usually because when I am worling & then look back, everything I wanted to say had been said.
However I did want to agree with those who say they feel let down. It's all been a lie. I also hope in my heart that CH has mothing to do with this, although I doubt it, his riding style & general demeanour don't shout in the same way.
However I did want to agree with those who say they feel let down. It's all been a lie. I also hope in my heart that CH has mothing to do with this, although I doubt it, his riding style & general demeanour don't shout in the same way.
Miss_Millie
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This is what I'm struggling with too, and where to draw the line with 'cancel culture'. Brooke dropping her could be classed as cancel culture, but I think it would have been entirely inappropriate for her to remain an ambassador for a horse welfare charity in light of her behaviour in the video. I think it would have been more strange if that had said it was just one video and let's give her another chance. This is why I can't get onboard with all of the cancel culture talk, because where do you draw the line?
I honestly doubt that it will be career-ending for her, there have been hundreds if not thousands of equestrians defending her actions online. Something tells me it will all blow over and be forgotten in a year, and the industry will remain as rotten and abusive as ever.
Dave's Mam
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I really hope not.
Crazy_cat_lady
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I also unfortunately think it will all blow over
Upthecreek
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She might be able to resume her career, but she will always be tarnished by this. People like most of us here will not forget what we saw in that video. Rather than focussing on Charlotte’s future, my main hope is that this brings about positive long term changes in equestrian sports (though I fear it will blow over and be swept under the carpet pretty soon). I definitely don’t think she should represent the country again.
SAS56
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I am not holding my breath, I actually think H and H could be a lot stronger in their calling out on what is wrong in the horse world. Too often sitting on the fence. So many photos of obese show horses being one example, glowing reports of dressage tests when a blue tongue can clearly be seen or rollkur training. I cancelled my subscription after many years because they are just too sycophantic to the top riders of the disciplines. I think they will tiptoe around the CJD issues - let's wait and see
Burnttoast
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It's bound to blow over. Helgstrand was far worse in terms of the systematic large-scale nature of what was exposed but there seems to be business pretty much as usual there. There are a lot of rich people (let's not use that weaselly synecdoche 'money', because it is *people* that make the decisions and do the damage) in horse sport and their influence, without wishing to be overly political, on anything/any lesser being they come into contact with seems to be pretty malign.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Here's what she can do to find some sort of redemption. Go away, stay very quiet for a long time, and train horses without putting them under horrendous pressure or whacking them relentlessly. If she can do that and still produce horses capable of GP competition, that will be proof of how wrong she was. If she can't, it will still prove it, and also expose her as a fraud. She's already apologised, I wonder if she's sorry enough to prove it.
indie1282
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I think it will too sadly