Docking ban, Desparate news for working dogs in Scotland!

[MiLisCer]

More than one person on this thread has admitted to docking their own dogs tails - it has been illegal for some years to carry this out - it must be done by a vet - you want to argue points of law, fill your boots, you might work with horses, I work in the legal profession - there would be sufficient evidence from the posts to at least instigate an investigation in to the matter and given the current climate, I am almost sure that this could and in fact would be used in a prosecution, weather the CPS would run with the matter would depend on the level of evidence, but an admission would go a long way to proving the case.

People should be aware of what they post.

Mike

 

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Undocked, hopefully.....

 

[broomie]

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So are you saying it is ok for them to dock their own dogs as long as they keep quiet about it?

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I didn't..... but you just have!

Which part of <font color="red"> It is illegal for anybody other than a vet to dock puppies tails </font> is so difficult to grasp?

 

[severnmiles]

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Undocked, hopefully.....

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Undocked but not uninjured

 

[Sooty]

You were expressing concern that anybody could read what people had written, rather than expressing concern that they had actually docked dogs.

 

[severnmiles]

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More than one person on this thread has admitted to docking their own dogs tails - it has been illegal for some years to carry this out - it must be done by a vet - you want to argue points of law, fill your boots, you might work with horses, I work in the legal profession - there would be sufficient evidence from the posts to at least instigate an investigation in to the matter and given the current climate, I am almost sure that this could and in fact would be used in a prosecution, weather the CPS would run with the matter would depend on the level of evidence, but an admission would go a long way to proving the case.

People should be aware of what they post.

Mike

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Can you quote it all for us to see...I for one would be interested...I work with horses, not to say those around me don't work in the legal profession though.

 

[Tia]

Yes we all know that if a dog gets even the tiniest injury to it's tail that it looks like a blood-bath, even when the injury is incredibly minor.

My long-tailed spaniel works in dense undergrowth and flushes most days and has never injured her tail or any part of her body, although she has come home with a number of bramble thorns stuck in her head on occasion.....of course the head does not have the same structure of blood vessels that a tail has, so thankfully I don't need to chop her head off for her to do her job properly!

 

[Sooty]

PMSL!!!

 

[MiLisCer]

Sooty - you have not commented on the fact that you were wrong about why docking started? (Romans) seems that you have now become selective?

 

[MiLisCer]

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Can you quote it all for us to see...I for one would be interested...I work with horses, not to say those around me don't work in the legal profession though.

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You can read - why would I wish to highlight someone else's mistake - surely they would not thank me for that!

And as for those working around you? that's like me saying I know a man who works for the queen - Yawn

 

[severnmiles]

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Sooty - you have not commented on the fact that you were wrong about why docking started? (Romans) seems that you have now become selective?

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She hasn't commented on the facts we can band pigs and sheep tails, we can trim our ponies and horses feet (and cause damage enough for them to be PTS), foal mares down e.t.c but we can't place a band around the tail of a pup thats 2days old and hasn't even opened its eyes.

 

[MiLisCer]

Sorry but on this one I actually agree with Sooty - lay persons should NOT be allowed to dock.

It should be done by a vet'

 

[severnmiles]

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You can read - why would I wish to highlight someone else's mistake - surely they would not thank me for that!

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Well I can't see anywhere, I can see two places in which it is commented on that others who aren't vets carry it out but nowhere can I see someone saying...

'I dock my puppies tails' and if I did, I wouldn't know whether or not they were a qualified vet now would I?

 

[Enfys]

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Just think what little lambs must feel when they have a band put round thier tail so it dies and falls off. Dog docking is a much better way.

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If the lambs are lucky enough to get banded...there are other methods used.

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Off topic for one second......it's not just lambs tails that get banded! We used to castrate them that way too. Always made me feel sick.

 

[Sooty]

The Romans started many things, and as I have no idea whether or not they docked dogs I will take your word for it that they did. There is also evidence that docking grew in popularity in the UK as a way of identifying working dogs for tax purposes. Years ago horses were routinely docked as their tails interfered with their work. Would you advocate that, too?

 

[severnmiles]

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Sorry but on this one I actually agree with Sooty - lay persons should NOT be allowed to dock.

It should be done by a vet'

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Reason being? Percentage of pups that die through a layperson doing it illegally?

Don't go arresting me for this (

) but one person asked for their working pups to be docked by a vet, bands handed out over the counter, save me a job and do it yourself...heard on the grapevine of course.

 

[Tia]

Sheep and pigs are bred for death. Their tails are docked to ultimately facilitate this process.

Trimming horses feet generally does not cause damage to them, quite the opposite actually.

All animals in the animal kingdom give birth.......I have NO idea what correlation this has with this subject LOL!!

IF you had read what Sooty's posts are clearly saying (or at least they are clear to me) that she has no huge problem with the act of docking provided it is done under vet care, but that she says it affects the mobility and balance of the dog. Surely all you self-professed dog handlers are aware of the rudder action of a tail

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[MiLisCer]

no vet would risk being struck off for something so stupid as openly doing that - and yes the RCVS would strike them off - oh and not a police officer, nice try.

Far too old for running around like that!

 

[Sooty]

Sooty didn't say that...

 

[severnmiles]

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The Romans started many things, and as I have no idea whether or not they docked dogs I will take your word for it that they did. There is also evidence that docking grew in popularity in the UK as a way of identifying working dogs for tax purposes. Years ago horses were routinely docked as their tails interfered with their work. Would you advocate that, too?

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As a reason that their tails were sometimes painfully caught in equipment then yes maybe that was the best option.

 

[Tia]

Do you hunt on horseback SM?

 

[Sooty]

They could be bound, like they are nowadays for polo...

 

[MiLisCer]

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Sooty didn't say that...

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Ah well sorry for mis quoting you!

 

[Sooty]

That's ok!

 

[severnmiles]

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Sooty didn't say that...

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What didn't Sooty say?

 

[jj4y]

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Surely all you self-professed dog handlers are aware of the rudder action of a tail

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Our docked working springers definately have no problem manouvering without a full tail. I also know of many docked springers and cockers who are extremely successful agility dogs

 

[severnmiles]

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Do you hunt on horseback SM?

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Yes....

 

[Sooty]

Sooty didn't say anything! She is giving up and going to make a nice cup of tea.

 

[severnmiles]

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Sheep and pigs are bred for death. Their tails are docked to ultimately facilitate this process.

Trimming horses feet generally does not cause damage to them, quite the opposite actually.

All animals in the animal kingdom give birth.......I have NO idea what correlation this has with this subject LOL!!

IF you had read what Sooty's posts are clearly saying (or at least they are clear to me) that she has no huge problem with the act of docking provided it is done under vet care, but that she says it affects the mobility and balance of the dog. Surely all you self-professed dog handlers are aware of the rudder action of a tail

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Strasser trimming...heard of that over the pond?

The birth remark was not saying it shouldn't happen, I was saying why should we be able to assist an animal giving birth if we cannot place a band around the tail of a 2 day old pup? How many of you anti-docking lot even bothered to watch the video?

Re. rudder action, read the post by another forum member.

 

[severnmiles]

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Sooty didn't say anything! She is giving up and going to make a nice cup of tea.

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Can you make me one too please...milk, one sugar...