European Eventing Champs

Yeah, there is a difference in 5 marks between the other two judges and his for Mary's. Something very dodgy and i'm not just being biased.
 
it does seem very strange - and surely not coincidental that he's marking EVERY german higher and every other nation (particularly GB) very low?! Scandalous!!!
 
it is 5/6% difference, maybe the fact that it's "13th" makes it worse (ie if it was "7th" or something it wouldn't look so bad?) as there are more results to stretch the averages out.


oh I know what I want to say I just can't get it out!
 
Yet more low mark judging from Christoph Hess.. I understand that views from the different angles can differ somewhat yet there does seem to be an interesting trend emerging this morning.

Interestingly yesterday he marked the two British riders slightly higher than his British and Danish colleagues.
 
Ingrid takes lead. Guess who gave her the best mark.

I thought perhaps when I looked at the "dodgy" scores it was just that I wanted Britain to do well, but now I am starting to really think something strange is happening.
 
amyneave said:
Ingrid takes lead. Guess who gave her the best mark.

I thought perhaps when I looked at the "dodgy" scores it was just that I wanted Britain to do well, but now I am starting to really think something strange is happening.
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I think to eliminate the whole "bias" nature of judges could they not get judges from outside the competing teams? I.e USA
 
There is a sport (ice skating or gymnastics but I'm not sure) where they have more judges and you cannot judge your own country therefore it is only when countrys join forces that there is a problem.

ie GB judges all apart from GB riders
France judge all apart from French riders etc etc

Then is limits the level of bias and only 9 out of 10 judges scores count.
 
Well done Mary. Fingers crossed for William.

At least with the XC it can't be dodgy. Do you think one of the teams will put a complaint in or something?
 
LincsEquine said:
Interestingly yesterday he marked the two British riders slightly higher than his British and Danish colleagues.
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perhaps he is trying to disguise his dodgy marking. He hasn't marked the lower placed germans higher than the other judges. ie. Kai-Steffen Meier he ranked 35th, the judge at M had him 30th.
 
Kal said:
Well done Mary. Fingers crossed for William.

At least with the XC it can't be dodgy. Do you think one of the teams will put a complaint in or something?
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The Germans have struggled with XC the past few years so fingers crossed this trend carries on
 
Chloe..x said:
The Germans have struggled with XC the past few years so fingers crossed this trend carries on
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I'm going to be glued to the tv and will GB on from home. Do you think that might make the difference :D

I'm thinking the Germans may be a little better as it's in their country.
 
Chloe..x said:
I think to eliminate the whole "bias" nature of judges could they not get judges from outside the competing teams? I.e USA
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I like this idea. The three judges should all come from nations that are not in europe. There could still be some bias judging, but should be reduced.

Who had the idea of putting and British and German judge on the panel. Two of the nations that could take the title, and Germany wanting revenge after last few years. Bad combination
 
I do wonder if something will be said...or if the marking changes for the last lot? I wonder if Michael Jung can beat Ingrids score? (with a little help from said judge ;) )
 
Kal said:
I'm going to be glued to the tv and will GB on from home. Do you think that might make the difference :D

I'm thinking the Germans may be a little better as it's in their country.
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I'm in work unfortunately so gonna see if you can record from the red button on sky with my mothers help, if not i'm sure fei tv will have good highlights coverage :)
Final leg of the Nations Cup is on late afternoon so i'll get my horsey fix that way

amyneave said:
I like this idea. The three judges should all come from nations that are not in europe. There could still be some bias judging, but should be reduced.

Who had the idea of putting and British and German judge on the panel. Two of the nations that could take the title, and Germany wanting revenge after last few years. Bad combination
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The only complication with that is for the WEG/Olympics as it would be hard to find a judge in a non-competing country with the ability to judge at that level.
But then again, the judges should use their professional integrity and judge what they see not who they see maybe?
 
Chloe..x said:
The only complication with that is for the WEG/Olympics as it would be hard to find a judge in a non-competing country with the ability to judge at that level.
But then again, the judges should use their professional integrity and judge what they see not who they see maybe?
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Yes I totally agree. Perhaps if they had more than three judges then any anomalies may get averaged out more. If they had say 5 judges and 4 gave similar marks while one gave a totally different mark, then although it would affect the score, the effect would be less dramatic
 
Just catching up ( always late!:rolleyes:), and can't believe the dressage scores!. 80% from Ingrid, wow. Top 14 all above 70%, blimey. For our sakes though I hope the germans don't get too far in front. :( What's the weather like over there? wet conditions xc might just turn things our way. I'll live in hope anyway. Good luck to William.
 
Ingrid - 30
Sanda - 35.40
Andrea - 43.80

I make that out so far to be 109.2

Nicola - 52.70
Mary - 38.80
Piggy - 40.40

Total of 132

Really hope William puts in a solid 30-40 so we can drop Nicola Wilson's score and then I don't think we are too far out.

Eventing seems to have really changed into a dressage competition recently
 
Chloe..x said:
Ingrid - 30
Sanda - 35.40
Andrea - 43.80

I make that out so far to be 109.2

Nicola - 52.70
Mary - 38.80
Piggy - 40.40

Total of 132

Really hope William puts in a solid 30-40 so we can drop Nicola Wilson's score and then I don't think we are too far out.

Eventing seems to have really changed into a dressage competition recently
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But they will probably drop the 43.80. William needs a far better score than Michael. I still think we need another German xc disaster.
 
Not sure why you are all panicing yet? Last 3 Euros have been far from dressage tests.

Blenheim 05 - serious mud turned it into a real endurance test.
Italy 07 - Very tricky combinations that caught out lots and time was tough.
Fontainbleau 09 - Very tough time, twisty and horses coming home very tired.

This year - its raining and so I expect it to be more testing. They have worked really hard on the ground conditions but it will be soft and they are not expecting it to be a walk in the park.

Ingrid has not exactly had a sterling run at championship competitions WEG, Olympics, Euros have all had 20s.
 
If Michael Jung scores a 30 ish test - that puts the Germans with the sub 100 team score going into tomorrow.
However there are lots of twists and turns around the complexes tomorrow so should favour our team horses - ISH, Trakenher type rather than the more warmbloody type lines of our German competitors - and it only takes 1 run out for a 20 penalties and suddenly its a different competition!!
 
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