Facebook footage of welsh stud delivering youngstock to abattoir
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shortstuff99
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say those 'ranty vegans' don't want to see dumped and/or abused horses abandoned in ditches either. Rather a better regulated system that doesn't lead to the overproduction of horses in the first place. Or even more radical would be no more horses or farm animals bred full stop, care for the ones currently alive and then the end of domestic species.
I will caveat that those aren't my views (obviously as I still ride horses) but I can support the first view of better regulating the breeding.
I will caveat that those aren't my views (obviously as I still ride horses) but I can support the first view of better regulating the breeding.
HashRouge
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I'm glad you said this, as I was planning to write something very similar! A lot of people here may disagree with the "ranty vegans" but it is utterly ridiculous to blame them for the actions of people who abuse, starve and dump horses. Let's blame the person who actually commits the crime, shall we!
Equine_Dream
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Shortstuff and HashRouge well said both!
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Cattle and sheep and in fact most meat animals, the best examples are also lovingly produced for the showring, and are beautiful looking animals. Still end up on a plate.
tallyho!
Following a strict mediterranean diet...
I do sometimes wonder why I don't despatch my crockpot and give another horse a chance...
Sandstone1
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Just out of interest, would you say the same of dogs or cats? In some countries they are are eaten, so is that ok with you?
Cortez
Tough but Fair
I used to live in Korea. I have no problem with eating any meat, just so long as it has been kindly reared and humanely dispatched, so no, I do not condone eating animals that have been barbarically slaughtered.
Cloball
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If anyone wants to buy a tiny welsh pony there is anther sale on the 30th. Or is that perpetuating the cycle?
windand rain
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As long as an animal is not allowed to feel pain then they are by different cultures deemed food no I would not eat cat or dog or any other carnivore not too keen on pig as they can also eat each other. What I feel is necessary is a quick painless and if possible stress free death. Abbatoirs are inspected and have a vet on site. Meat from stressed animals is tainted and can be rejected. The foals in the video were a tiny microscopic point of an iceberg of the need to cull to prevent suffering. I have been on this planet long enough to know those three foals are likely lucky ones compared to what will happen to hundreds more
windand rain
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I bet all those protesting about the three colts will be firmly keeping their hands in their pockets
honetpot
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Perhaps not, but I think it's disingenuous to describe them one way, which suggests they are bred as companion animals, and then treat them like farm livestock, which the whole purpose of breeding the majority of them is to eat. It would not go down well with their end target market, parents buying children riding ponies. A friend of mine owned a pony and showed a pony from the stud.
https://www.voofla.com/GB/Newbury/145992772145283/Springbourne-&-Blanche-Welsh-Mountain-Ponies
These would not be cheap ponies, I think its more about devaluing the rest of their stock than welfare.
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milliepops
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i've been keeping half an eye on the sales tbh because I'm still in 2 minds about what to do with my foal/buying her a buddy. But I'd prefer a D, and they have been making better money.. and my lorry is off the road anyway so I can't collect anything. this time last year we had always planned to go to the sales and pick up a weanling but.. then covid...
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honetpot
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I am not protesting but I would have given them more than they probably got.
Cloball
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I keep my eye on as well for something ridden but most have been unbacked or section A&B, there have definitely not been as many C&Ds as I have seen before. I imagine most have been sold already by this point.
rabatsa
Confuddled
Buying a foal is only the start of the costs. In many cases a cheap pony is not a valued pony.
Elf On A Shelf
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Fell Pony sales at the end of the month *cough*
honetpot
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Since I only ever the budget to buy cheap ponies and horses, but to me they have been priceless, and repaid the time I have spent on them. It's not what they cost, that determines how they are valued
milliepops
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couldn't agree more!
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
I get what you're saying about intent, but when it comes down to it, if people are prepared to send cows and sheep to an abattoir then I really can't see the difference in terms of the animal's experience, what species it is. to the animal, the intent of the owner breeding it has little relevance. People can wring their hands about it all but the cow didn't want to be bred to be eaten any more than the foal wanted to be sent to the abattoir (leaving aside neither of them knew anything about it until the last moments). it's all kind of meaningless IMO.
People intentionally kill animals all the time. I'm not sure what makes these ones more special tbh
There no better way of killing animals for meat. There is a better way of killing three tiny ponies.
Even as a meat eater, I would wish for the best end an animal can have. Farm animals get the best that can practically be done for them now we have cameras everywhere . Those foals, to me, herded into an abattoir using a door to push them in, didn't get that.
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milliepops
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erm.... even more likely to be out of budget I'd have thought....?
milliepops
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I do understand your POV and I can definitely see a logic in it. though as a non meat eater I'm still not sure I would differentiate between the 2, I don't find it any more acceptable that meat animals get that treatment just because it's the norm (though I would like to distance myself from the veganazis
mentioned earlier, I do my thing and let others do theirs)
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
I used to see section As covers by a 16h stallion in my young days, no wonder they needed a twitch on.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
By reducing the choices for the humane and cost effective destruction of unwanted equines the ranty activists will absolutely be responsible for more dumped Gizmos.
Of course we also want to address the overproduction of equines, but properly run abattoirs who humanely cull unwanted stock are an important part of equine welfare, like it or not.
Force them into shutting down/refusing to take equines in, and watch the suffering increase.
Of course we also want to address the overproduction of equines, but properly run abattoirs who humanely cull unwanted stock are an important part of equine welfare, like it or not.
Force them into shutting down/refusing to take equines in, and watch the suffering increase.
teddypops
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totally agree!
tristar
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got the wrong end of the stick
i was referring to our welsh foundation ponies 13. 2 hh then covered by welsh cross small tb 14.2hh then crossed with arab and with other horses, they gradually got bigger over the generations, some are by our stallion who is 15,2hh have come out at 16.2hh out of 16.1hh mares so its going the other way round here really
i was really meaning to use the small mares to cross for something bigger then cross again, the second cross being the actual product of a marketable pony
small pony and big horse, i don`t know who thought that was a good idea, i certainly don`t
tristar
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tristar
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i got one in a swap for two very scruffy saddles, he grew into a beautiful horse and won loads
rabatsa
Confuddled
You know what you are doing.
Many people think the paying £2 for a pony is an easy way to get one for the children. I have had to rescue some shetlands that were kept in a pub cellar as they were cheap.
honetpot
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I think the recent spate of buyers who have paid substantial sums for animals and have ended up being mismatched shows, it's not the cost of the animal that guarantees the most suitable home, particularly young stock.
I buy colts, usually someone has bought a pretty foal, and for what ever reason they end up rehoming it when it's about nine to ten months, when its starts nipping and objecting to what is for them substandard management system, which is often done of with good intentions. By this time it's not a pretty foal, and it often looks like a cut and shut, no one wants it, and it's winter.
They have often paid at least twice what I buy it for, often more, they are all have registration papers, all by good quality stallions and were bought by the original buyer straight from the stud. I do not buy poor quality stock, just stock that's in the wrong place or wrong job. I do sometimes wonder if the stud asked the right questions about how it was going to be kept etc., or did they just want to sell it while it had the foal factor.
I do it as a hobby, it's far cheaper I know to my cost, than breeding yourself.
You could say that anyone who buys any young animal should have the knowledge and the means to care for it, no matter how much they paid for it.
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