Facebook footage of welsh stud delivering youngstock to abattoir

[Frumpoon]

You are just out for all the negative attention today ? disgusting

You might not have noticed but I’m really not a lone voice

 

[ester]

I thought you said it wasn't their job and they had other means of income?

 

[cumbriamax]

There are a number of studs who will send colts to be despatched if they havent placed them, not everyone can keep or wants to keep colts on.
I did see the clip. The women screeching who were filming were very aggressive.

Does anyone know who was doing the filming? Was it an organised group or just individuals?

I just wonder how they knew that these foals were going to the slaughter on that day or was it random coincidence.

I haven't seen the video as don't do Facebook so don't know the stud.

 

[meleeka]

You then get the new forest and dartmoor drifts. A lot of these ponies are bought by zoo's to feed the big cats etc. Mostly foals. But no one kicks up a fuss about this because it is one animal going to feed another.

This reminds of when I went to Howlets and there was a Honey Badger devouring a horses leg. It was an incredible sight to see (pretty sure the leg came from a
Cob).
The New Forest ponies are a world away from when I was young. They were overbred then and loads went for slaughter. Because breeding was unchecked the ponies looked awful in the winter and were badly put together. A friend bought a colt for £3.50 one year and he’s twenty something now. They’ve addressed the issue in recent years and now the quality is better and there is less wastage. The stories coming out of the Welsh moors is also awful so I think the breeding of Welsh ponies needs to be looked at, in order to make them more desirable.

 

[Frumpoon]

Does anyone know who was doing the filming? Was it an organised group or just individuals?

I just wonder how they knew that these foals were going to the slaughter on that day or was it random coincidence.

I haven't seen the video as don't do Facebook so don't know the stud.

I thought just individuals

 

[windand rain]

waving placards of some animal rights group I think so possibly not a coinsidence

 

[ester]

The quick response to pssm in foresters definitely put the society in a good light too.

It was shared via one of the anti-racing groups so I presumed people involved in that looking for TBs
edited to add 'ban the grand national' though I might be well wrong with that assumption.

 

[Dave's Mam]

you can of course use the smaller ones to cross and develop bigger ponies even horses, some of mine have good welsh pony, proper hill bred pedigree about 4 generations ago, and are 16, 2 hh

Don't even start me on that. *Grrrrr*

 

[ester]

ah so the OP is a 'bristol animal save' volunteer organiser and vegan activist (her words not mine)

https://upload.facebook.com/bristol...eline_context_item_source=1172631738&fref=tag

 

[Equi]

ah so the OP is a 'bristol animal save' volunteer organiser and vegan activist (her words not mine)

https://upload.facebook.com/bristol...eline_context_item_source=1172631738&fref=tag

so the type of animal lover who will only ever be happy when no animals are born. Aren’t those type the ones who don’t want animals being people’s pets anyway and they’re better off dead? The foals are not going to be someone’s slave now!

 

[Snow Falcon]

The NF breed society and their associated partners addressed over breeding and quality of stock on the open forest some years ago. This is still on going. There has been considerable investment in the Bealieu Road saleyard.

The drifts are a chance for commoners and agisters to manage and check the semi feral ponies.

Anyone wishing more information about NF stock management please feel free to contact me.

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

ah so the OP is a 'bristol animal save' volunteer organiser and vegan activist (her words not mine)

https://upload.facebook.com/bristol...eline_context_item_source=1172631738&fref=tag

Hmmmmm says it all. Vegans can be the worst for yelping about cruelty etc. I have nothing against anyone’s choice of diet as long as you don’t try and Interfere with mine. Country lass born and bred and what goes on my plate is only my business. I have vegan friends who would never try and demean me for my omnivorous diet. However you do get the loud mouths.

 

[The Xmas Furry]

Does anyone know who was doing the filming? Was it an organised group or just individuals?

I just wonder how they knew that these foals were going to the slaughter on that day or was it random coincidence.

I haven't seen the video as don't do Facebook so don't know the stud.

The abattoir has protesters as an almost permanent daily feature outside. Usually just 2 or 3 but they film each and every vehicle going in.
Unfortunately this trailer had the stud name on it so they got very vocal once they saw ponies coming out up the ramp.

 

[rabatsa]

Am I the only one that thinks that the stud ARE responsible breeders? It takes courage to admit that the ponies will be better off dead than in unsuitable homes. As for minimum slaughter age, bunkum, there is no minimum age to die only recommended weaning age for foals that have a life to live.

 

[Goldenstar]

I have no idea if they are responsible or not .

 

[ycbm]

Am I the only one that thinks that the stud ARE responsible breeders? It takes courage to admit that the ponies will be better off dead than in unsuitable homes.

I agree with you, if at the time the mares were impregnated there was a reasonable expectation that there would be a market for at least half of the foals born to be sold as as entire males or they expected to be able to keep until older and sell as geldings.
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[tristar]

Actually this does not really happen with NF now there are reduced numbers of stallions out on the forest and they are all top quality ones due to the inspections required for them to go out. They also manage the breeding to prevent rare bloodline being lost and to reduce the risk of related ponies breeding. It is all very strictly managed.

The work the breed society has done to reduce number and increase quality as meant prices for ponies have increased and more people are considering them as riding and driving ponies. I think NFPC has done well as they are not just pushing the breed as show ponies as once you get to that point, you are breeding ponies that become too hot perhaps for the average child or leisure rider to manage as all rounders as the show ring presence may not always translate well into other activities that people might want to do

NF are a rare breed now.

I think possibly the issue with Welsh ponies now is that they are getting a reputation as being spooky and sharp and that will put people off buying them for their children or adults buying them as all rounders. Especially as the number of people looking for good hacking horses and ponies seem to be increasing. I would never consider one as I think they are too flighty and sharp, the stereotype has put me off. It was the one breed I would not have considered when I was looking at natives 13 years ago. I ended up with my NF, very handsome but not a big moving pony, but he has safely taken me to some really big shows where I can enjoy taking part even if there are hot air balloons firing up, the red arrows flying over head or in once case a gazebo that we were standing near to taking off and floating through the air sending ponies and competitions off in all directions whilst he stood quietly wondering what all the fuss was about!

Native ponies once bred for a very different job are now being repurposed and the main market where the money and glory for breeders comes is the show ring and the types ponies that do well in show ring often need that bit of sparkle that may make then harder for the average amateur to handle. The ones not flashy looking enough to make it in the show ring but who have been bred for that market may still have show ring temperament making it hard to find them an alternative home.

fab ponies to deal with, i saw a nf stallion at cadre noir in france working at prix st georges ridden by a 14 year old girl

welsh are in my experience spooky, well not all, but then they are feral i have them in my horses for their courage, movement and conformation and natural balance

 

[tristar]

Don't even start me on that. *Grrrrr*

why? used them as an outcross because they are the best, too late to change now that was 50 years ago sighhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Equi]

Am I the only one that thinks that the stud ARE responsible breeders? It takes courage to admit that the ponies will be better off dead than in unsuitable homes. As for minimum slaughter age, bunkum, there is no minimum age to die only recommended weaning age for foals that have a life to live.

Both yes and no. Yes because they’re making sure the ponies don’t suffer or get passed around low end type of yards (and no before anyone jumps on me that does not mean every horse worth £1 suffers) and no because they brought them in a marked trailer and have with that one action likely ruined their entire life’s work and next years foals will too end up here because of the protests and petitions (so they can’t ever advertise on Facebook again)

 

[pansymouse]

Some people honestly believe the alternative of a life of passing through low end dealers/ sales is better. Life at any cost.
I don’t like it when such young ones go through, but these ponies were in good condition, have clearly had a nice start and have had a very quick end. They are the lucky ones IMO

I agree but expressing that on Facebook would get me lynched - the sentimentalists are running at fever pitch.

 

[Ranyhyn]

Wow things got pretty crazy here last night.

 

[ester]

why? used them as an outcross because they are the best, too late to change now that was 50 years ago sighhhhhhhhhhh

you may have missed the recent exmoor x clydesdale situ that I suspect daves mam was referring to.

 

[Cortez]

Wow things got pretty crazy here last night.

Yeah, it was interesting until the OP stuck everyone who didn't agree with her on UI......

 

[honetpot]

Both yes and no. Yes because they’re making sure the ponies don’t suffer or get passed around low end type of yards (and no before anyone jumps on me that does not mean every horse worth £1 suffers) and no because they brought them in a marked trailer and have with that one action likely ruined their entire life’s work and next years foals will too end up here because of the protests and petitions (so they can’t ever advertise on Facebook again)

I don't really think so, show people usually do not buy through general advertising. All they have to do is change the stud prefix, and phone number, and they are a new entity, if they did advertise openly. There are only a few sad people like me who track broodmares and what they have previously produced.
I think more worrying for them is the rumour is that they were sent because they were parrot mouthed. I bought a pony that was parrot mouthed and it was not a problem to him, but you would not use a stallion producing so many, or buy a filly as potential broodmare down line sired by one.

 

[Ranyhyn]

Yeah, it was interesting until the OP stuck everyone who didn't agree with her on UI......

Well that's not conducive to personal growth is it. I thought we were all talking very maturely and reasonably. I understand why people would be sad, I understand why it was done. Cant you not be both?

 

[ihatework]

Well that's not conducive to personal growth is it. I thought we were all talking very maturely and reasonably. I understand why people would be sad, I understand why it was done. Cant you not be both?

Unfortunately these extreme animal rights types can’t be. All you need to do is listen to the deranged shrieking on the video to understand that. If these people put their energy into calmly and strategically trying to influence change in key areas of animal management they would do far greater good in the world. Unfortunately their behaviours mean the vast majority of people just treat them as nutjobs

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I am stil a wee bit baffled why it is ok to breed certain animals for slaughter such as cows, chickens, lambs, deer, etc. but not ok for ponies to be slaughtered. They weren't bred for slaughter in mind, more that it could be a possibility if they weren't sold on the pet/sport horse market.
Yes, the stud could thoroughly analyze their customer base and market while reducing breeding/only breeding what will sell, but you just cannot guarantee that. The horse market can really dip and dive at times.

The stud could foot the bill while a bunch of unsaleable ponies run around feral in some field on their property, but will they always be able to afford that? Is going to slaughter the really the worst fate? The ponies don't know. Horses don't think about "tomorrow" or longevity of their lives.

Also, if any of you eat veal and are all up in arms about these ponies being slaughtered, you're full of it.

 

[Equine_Dream]

That video made me terribly terribly sad. I don't think this is ok at all. I sympathise these are difficult times, but I feel the stud owner has let these poor babies down massively.
If they couldn't be sold on then why not turn out until next spring? And if they had no other choice other than to be pts then why not do it at home? Familiar surroundings and nose in a bucket? Not hauled for god knows how long to a stranger place stinking of death.
I'm truly sickened by the human race on times ?

 

[SO1]

I agree I don't think that what happened to the Pumphill Dartmoors stopped people buying them and this is nowhere near as bad as that. At least the ponies were in good condition in this case.

The showing fraternity tend to back their own people and if they are well in with the WPCS then people will still buy from them, the desire for a pony to win at high levels will in many cases mean that people will turn a blind eye to how they are bred including how ponies that are not at the level for that market are disposed of.

I expect the market for section A foals to those who are not interested in the breed but just looking for a small pony foal is quite limited.

I do agree that the parrot mouth rumour is more likely to be problematic I don't know how many foals they breed a year but even it is a 100 to have three in one crop is quite a lot and if by the same stallion then they may need to look carefully at the lines to prevent breeding more of them.


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I don't really think so, show people usually do not buy through general advertising. All they have to do is change the stud prefix, and phone number, and they are a new entity, if they did advertise openly. There are only a few sad people like me who track broodmares and what they have previously produced.
I think more worrying for them is the rumour is that they were sent because they were parrot mouthed. I bought a pony that was parrot mouthed and it was not a problem to him, but you would not use a stallion producing so many, or buy a filly as potential broodmare down line sired by one.

 

[SO1]

In normal circumstances I would say yes, give them another year, halter break them and get them handled and gelded and then they are easier to sell on.

However maybe finances do not allow for this, the breeder had died, maybe the family who have inherited the ponies have to sell land to pay for inheritance tax....this is not a normal situation as the person who owned the ponies has died.

That video made me terribly terribly sad. I don't think this is ok at all. I sympathise these are difficult times, but I feel the stud owner has let these poor babies down massively.
If they couldn't be sold on then why not turn out until next spring? And if they had no other choice other than to be pts then why not do it at home? Familiar surroundings and nose in a bucket? Not hauled for god knows how long to a stranger place stinking of death.
I'm truly sickened by the human race on times ?