The Fuzzy Furry
Living in 🦄 🦄 land
What PF says above.
Facebook footage of welsh stud delivering youngstock to abattoir
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Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
Ah now I know why people don’t just do that .
Thats just illogical to me people who take nastiness into PM’s need calling out .
Thats just illogical to me people who take nastiness into PM’s need calling out .
scats
Well-Known Member
Some people seem to be unable to have a grown-up discussion about things. Sorry you are getting horrible PMs, I have no idea why people feel the need to conduct themselves in that manner.
Sandstone1
Well-Known Member
Who is doing it!
CanteringCarrot
Well-Known Member
I always miss out on the fun!
The Fuzzy Furry
Living in 🦄 🦄 land
I've reported and blocked them. No need to say more, I'll rise above it ta ?
Gingerwitch
Well-Known Member
Gosh FF I have had PM's shared by one tosser whom thinks it was clever, I have had several vile PM's and many more supportive ones. I hate folk that hide behind the hho anominity to be vile and cruel. I will also thank you for offering to help me once many years ago when my horses were in a dreadful place. You certainly do not deserve vile p m s. X X. G W
Roasted Chestnuts
Well-Known Member
I don’t play the PM game. Hope they get a permanent block ??.
stormox
Well-Known Member
I never heard there was a minimum age for horses to be put down. Is there?
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
No not that I have ever heard .
Hannahkayj
Member
I really struggle to understand why the need for pitchforks, the assumptions and the down right disgraceful attempt to destroy this stud. I don’t think they really take on board what could happen. There was a journalist on Facebook who has allegedly taken this story to the papers, now funnily enough this journalist was very one sided.
I’ve been reading this thread since it started (forgive me for new profile I couldn’t figure out how to join). It’s refreshing to see actual adults discuss it (bar those being idiotic and sending vile pms). I’m sick of reading “she should of gave them away for free”, if someone wasn’t interested in these colts until they saw “free for good home” are they really the right people to take them on? They were advertised and no one was interested in them, but minute they’ve been despatched you’ve got a queue. That shows to me they are only wanting to look like hero’s.
Sorry for the rant I’ll get off my soapbox now ??
I’ve been reading this thread since it started (forgive me for new profile I couldn’t figure out how to join). It’s refreshing to see actual adults discuss it (bar those being idiotic and sending vile pms). I’m sick of reading “she should of gave them away for free”, if someone wasn’t interested in these colts until they saw “free for good home” are they really the right people to take them on? They were advertised and no one was interested in them, but minute they’ve been despatched you’ve got a queue. That shows to me they are only wanting to look like hero’s.
Sorry for the rant I’ll get off my soapbox now ??
SO1
Well-Known Member
I think if you are breeding animals you do have a duty of care towards them.
If you are breeding companion animals that includes horses then you should be responsible and that means trying to give those animals the best start in life so they can find suitable homes. This may include gelding colts and halter breaking them making it easier for those who don't own their own land to able to buy them and keep at livery. Churning out large numbers of foals in the hope that one of them may be the next HOYS winner or a top competition horse without any thought about the others is irresponsible.
In this case what has happened may have been caused by death of the owner but it is perhaps a wake up call as to what probably happens in a lot of studs.
I wonder if there could be some sort of kitemark for studs with high welfare standards.
If you are breeding companion animals that includes horses then you should be responsible and that means trying to give those animals the best start in life so they can find suitable homes. This may include gelding colts and halter breaking them making it easier for those who don't own their own land to able to buy them and keep at livery. Churning out large numbers of foals in the hope that one of them may be the next HOYS winner or a top competition horse without any thought about the others is irresponsible.
In this case what has happened may have been caused by death of the owner but it is perhaps a wake up call as to what probably happens in a lot of studs.
I wonder if there could be some sort of kitemark for studs with high welfare standards.
Palindrome
Well-Known Member
Were they being advertised for the same price as meat money or with a mark up?
Hannahkayj
Member
from what I found it couldn’t of been that much their other lovely one sold for £300 with reserve met. Hardly huge amounts, I’d certainly not be giving them away for free
lannerch
Well-Known Member
Surely with a mark up if they had tried to sell them for just meat money ( virtually nothing as they were so young ) then that would be almost the same as giving them away.
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
It’s has to be said they are much more prepared to cull youngstock on the continent
Cortez
Tough but Fair
The entire horse industry is a lot more professional in other places.
Hannahkayj
Member
Absolutely we’ve got a long way to go to catch up I feel.
DiNozzo
Well-Known Member
I do feel that a clean and quick death is never wrong, for anything (human*, horse, dog, other animal), regardless of the motivations of the 'doer'.
There are far worse things in the world than death.
*Except actual crimes, although assisted suicide is one I do 100% support.
There are far worse things in the world than death.
*Except actual crimes, although assisted suicide is one I do 100% support.
Wishfilly
Well-Known Member
I think we can accept the actions of the stud as being potentially a last resort due to Covid/family circumstances without holding it up as an ideal way to breed horses.
In my opinion, the native breeds which limit numbers and work hard to improve the breed (e.g. Fell, Dales, to an extent New Forest) seem to have much higher welfare standards in general than those that overbreed and in some cases perhaps send youngstock to slaughter or sell them for meat every year. I don't think anyone would deny that there are still welfare issues with Dartmoor Hill Ponies, despite there being a market for them via the meat trade to an extent now. In some ways the market being created means there's still a lot of substandard ponies being bred indiscriminately on the moor, and they aren't all well looked after whilst they are alive.
I do think the situation with Welsh Ponies may fall between the two extremes, but I think the breed society does need to think about what it promotes/encourages.
I think there's a difference between saying this is possibly acceptable as a last resort and suggesting it's a "professional" way to breed ponies. It might be profitable, but I'm not convinced that's the same thing as desirable.
In my opinion, the native breeds which limit numbers and work hard to improve the breed (e.g. Fell, Dales, to an extent New Forest) seem to have much higher welfare standards in general than those that overbreed and in some cases perhaps send youngstock to slaughter or sell them for meat every year. I don't think anyone would deny that there are still welfare issues with Dartmoor Hill Ponies, despite there being a market for them via the meat trade to an extent now. In some ways the market being created means there's still a lot of substandard ponies being bred indiscriminately on the moor, and they aren't all well looked after whilst they are alive.
I do think the situation with Welsh Ponies may fall between the two extremes, but I think the breed society does need to think about what it promotes/encourages.
I think there's a difference between saying this is possibly acceptable as a last resort and suggesting it's a "professional" way to breed ponies. It might be profitable, but I'm not convinced that's the same thing as desirable.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
plenty have been sold for less than meat money, depends on transportation distances too. I think this is now the only licenced abattoir for horses since Turners is no longer.
ktj1891
Well-Known Member
well that ship has sailed but their responsibility is to look after them and not take the easy route for their own f*** up. IMO there is no excuse for breeding and then not ensuring the animals future. In this country we go on and on about indiscriminate breeding but yet the supposed ‘breeders’ are just as bad in a different disguise.
There’s also a lot of assuming on this breeder that they can’t keep them or sell them etc. All the post said was they over bred (another concept I don’t understand, urm don’t breed so many in the first place, can’t imagine Welsh A are in high demand regardless of COVID).
It may be the breeder just didn’t want to fork out to keep them over winter, which to me is indiscriminate.
Hopefully they learn from this and haven’t done the same this year for next years foals.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Of course it's not desirable (not even if the ponies were bred for meat), but if there was no-one to buy these ponies, or prepared to look after them, then it is at least responsible to ensure that they were not going to be neglected or abused.
maggie62
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No-one here knows the actual facts so we can all speculate as much as we like but the situation is we don't know. The stud could have issued a statement .....and yes I know it is none of my or anyone's business blah blah, but it may have cleared up all the speculation. I hate the way some comments on here assume the people that are angry/upset etc are a kind of pitchfork brigade and want blood. I am a pensioner horse owner and yes I was very disturbed by the slaughter of these foals but I belong to no lynch mob. I am not going to apologise for looking at the world through rose coloured spectacles......it's the only way to see past all the cruelty/inhumanity/suffering in this world. Not being a horse owner all my life I never realised what is regarded as 'common practice' like the culling of otherwise healthy horses in large numbers. Horses were never the problem, WE are the problem. This is my opinion before someone slates me for being ignorant/naive.
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
Why should the stud explain their legal actions to the general public? They are not accountable to others and I certainly do not believe in trial by social media. As an aside, people looking at the world through rose tinted glasses, or pink fluff are the ones who, in general, allow all sorts of atrocities to happen.
Hannahkayj
Member
could you imagine if they did release a statement they’d only be ridiculed even more. They’d not be happy no matter what they say.
maggie62
Well-Known Member
You and people like you must like to feel superior ......and DON'T assume anything about me or put me into the pink fluff brigade. You are insulting and so rude. You are probably the reason why so many people do not put comments on here. Did I say they were accountable to others...NO, Did I say it was ok to have trial by social media...NO. So get off your high horse. Friendly forum my ass
Hannahkayj
Member
Not overly sure what there is to feel superior about? She never assumed you at all you’ve just took it that way, this is a forum where people can share both views.
maggie62
Well-Known Member
I would also like to know what atrocities this person is inferring.
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
maggie62 said:
No-one here knows the actual facts so we can all speculate as much as we like but the situation is we don't know. The stud could have issued a statement .....and yes I know it is none of my or anyone's business blah blah, but it may have cleared up all the speculation. I hate the way some comments on here assume the people that are angry/upset etc are a kind of pitchfork brigade and want blood. I am a pensioner horse owner and yes I was very disturbed by the slaughter of these foals but I belong to no lynch mob. I am not going to apologise for looking at the world through rose coloured spectacles......it's the only way to see past all the cruelty/inhumanity/suffering in this world. Not being a horse owner all my life I never realised what is regarded as 'common practice' like the culling of otherwise healthy horses in large numbers. Horses were never the problem, WE are the problem. This is my opinion before someone slates me for being ignorant/naive.
You described yourself as looking at the world through rose tinted glasses, it was a direct quote. The atrocities this person referred to, were actual cruelty cases against animals and people.
You began the rudeness imo
No-one here knows the actual facts so we can all speculate as much as we like but the situation is we don't know. The stud could have issued a statement .....and yes I know it is none of my or anyone's business blah blah, but it may have cleared up all the speculation. I hate the way some comments on here assume the people that are angry/upset etc are a kind of pitchfork brigade and want blood. I am a pensioner horse owner and yes I was very disturbed by the slaughter of these foals but I belong to no lynch mob. I am not going to apologise for looking at the world through rose coloured spectacles......it's the only way to see past all the cruelty/inhumanity/suffering in this world. Not being a horse owner all my life I never realised what is regarded as 'common practice' like the culling of otherwise healthy horses in large numbers. Horses were never the problem, WE are the problem. This is my opinion before someone slates me for being ignorant/naive.
You described yourself as looking at the world through rose tinted glasses, it was a direct quote. The atrocities this person referred to, were actual cruelty cases against animals and people.
You began the rudeness imo