honetpot
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NF pony stallions being turned out in a group for winter,
Facebook footage of welsh stud delivering youngstock to abattoir
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Equine_Dream
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Because, as I've previously said, while weaning foals early is sometimes necessary, I don't believe it should be done for the convenience of sending the foals to slaughter. Yes it ultimately doesn't matter now, but the idea doesn't sit well with me.
Equine_Dream
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Stormox apologies but I think we've got ours wires crossed. I thought you meant weaning at 6 months. I quite agree there is no need for the foal to still be on the mare at almost a yearling.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
What a strange concern.....why on earth would the reason for weaning make the slightest difference? As ever, the concerns of the "slaughter is cruel" brigade are extremely bemusing to me. Slaughter is an unfortunately absolutely vital option where livestock is concerned.
Equine_Dream
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With respect cortez we clearly hold very different views on this. You may find my opinion strange as I'll be honest, I find yours detached and cold. We clearly won't see eye to eye on this so I don't think there is much more to say.
Hannahkayj
Member
I am quite amazed this has caused the uproar it has, did no one listen to Princess Anne? Do people think horse meat isn’t available in the UK?
stormox
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Horsemeat was openly sold in the war- people queued up to buy it. I dont know when it became so abhorrent in the UK to eat horseflesh
Hannahkayj
Member
exactly, wasn’t it sold in butchers after aswell? (I was born in the 90’s ) I’m sure my gran was telling me it was. Horse is good and quite healthy.
HappyHollyDays
Slave to a house cat, 4 yard cats and 2 ponies
Don't ever go to the Netherlands then, they breed Shetlands specifically for meat. Fields full of them in the area near where I used to live and there was only ever going to be one end for them.
CanteringCarrot
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I haven't seen much horse meat for sale here. Although I went to a small horse event of sorts a few years ago that had some demo rides, horse sales, chickens, vendors (tack and whatnot) as well as horse meat for sale. Kind of odd considering the audience there.
A lot of dog food here has horse in it. You can easily buy horse bones and other dried horse products for chewing. I don't feed my dog anything horse. For some reason. I guess I feel weird about it since my other pet is a horse? I don't know.
A lot of dog food here has horse in it. You can easily buy horse bones and other dried horse products for chewing. I don't feed my dog anything horse. For some reason. I guess I feel weird about it since my other pet is a horse? I don't know.
Hannahkayj
Member
was it Dartmoor conservation meat? They do a good selection,
my dog would basically sell me if I didn’t get him a variety of raw food. Think it’s an unwritten contract of his love haha. Tbh I don’t know a lot who would buy say the equivalent of horse chew unless they feed raw so I don’t think you are alone in that aspect
conniegirl
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Horse meat is available in supermarkets in Belgium.
Snow Falcon
Hoping for drier days
Stormox, please refer to a previous post I made, I am happy to provide you with more information on the management of forest stock. As another poster has mentionned you may not be aware of the schemes that are in place here.
stormox
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If you actually read my post I was referring to wild ponies left to their own devices, like Bodmin moor and Dartmoors were, and NF s were very ropy looking until a few years back and a lot of black and white cobs seem to breed indiscriminately on canal banks producing weedy pot bellied big headed animals.
I wasnt talking about studs or managed herds at all.
JulesRules
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Absolutely this..
Errin Paddywack
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I see there is now a petition started to get the WCPS to ban them from registering any more ponies. Horrendous. I feel so sorry for the stud owners.
Hannahkayj
Member
The people who set that up have no care to the damage they are doing to them, I’m waiting on this “news article” turning up. Blasting the stud with assumptions
shirl62
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I was born in the 1950's and horse meat was never on the menu...Of course I can only comment that I was brought up in Edinburgh , Scotland....
Hannahkayj
Member
She was in Glasgow around then, wonder if she’s got her wires crossed. Off I go to find out when butchers stopped selling it
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
I think that it is sad that such young colts where taken to the abattoir, but I do not think that it is okay to videofilm someone at an abattoir, post it online, and start a witch hunt, because they came there with happy, seemingly well taken cared of animals.
I mean, it's fine to complain about mistreated animals, and it's fine to disagree with a decision an owner have chosen to make regarding their well cared for animals. But saying that it is good that persons are witch hunted because you disagree with a decision they've made for their animals, which does not lead to the animal being mistreated, is in my opinion despicable.
Where does it stop? If it's okay to do this now, what if these animal rights activists starts to film outside veterinary hospitals, so they can post those videos online if they disagreee with the decisions you've made for your animals? How would you feel if they started a witch hunt online because you decided to euthanise your horse for a leg problem, instead of amputating the leg, and giving it a prosthetic limb?
I mean, it's fine to complain about mistreated animals, and it's fine to disagree with a decision an owner have chosen to make regarding their well cared for animals. But saying that it is good that persons are witch hunted because you disagree with a decision they've made for their animals, which does not lead to the animal being mistreated, is in my opinion despicable.
Where does it stop? If it's okay to do this now, what if these animal rights activists starts to film outside veterinary hospitals, so they can post those videos online if they disagreee with the decisions you've made for your animals? How would you feel if they started a witch hunt online because you decided to euthanise your horse for a leg problem, instead of amputating the leg, and giving it a prosthetic limb?
Hannahkayj
Member
I have found an article with a quick search that London sold horse meat in the 1950’s and in 1953 40 horse meat traders were operating. Interestingly there is also a sign from 1996 of a “cheval butcher” in the midlands.
this is the thing, half of them were saying it was okay for older horses to go? Yet not for “cute fluffy ponies” as the woman who filmed this filmed older horses going. And not one mention of anyone going to the papers over it. Have had a few comments that I was terrible for the hunt coming to put down my horse after having serious leg issues. They seem to want them to live by whatever means possible, not caring if ones in pain
millikins
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Hannahkayj
Member
Pretty sure before that we did seems to be documented that it was widely eaten up to 1930’s , we still can buy it and should, supports conservation.
PapaverFollis
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ester
Not slacking multitasking
Now there's a poem. . . . 
tristar
Well-Known Member
and thereby lies the crux, ` she probably has another in utero` she is in foal again, when does this shxt stop, never mind we can always have the same pathetic discussion next year
tristar
Well-Known Member
Now there's a poem. . . .
should`nt that be a requiem when death is involved,? or should we have a party in memory of the foals
tristar
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and they have no care of the damage they are doing breeding these animals year in year out
tristar
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i find this very sensible, we all know horses that are quiet to handle are more marketable, churning them out is the right word, it has gone on for as long as i can remember, which is a long time, we bought many a colt or filly that had not been touched, ever, until herded up to be sold, its a big effort to take a strong healthy wild foal and turn it into a civilized person, who can be lead, groomed, feet picked up etc. and involves a certain skill, it adds value and opens up the ponies potential to have a useful future life, this should really be started when the pony is on the mother, by the breeder
my grandfather was a great and knowledgeable horseman, three things he said that always stuck with me are, always be gentle with horses, something i have been ridiculed on here for saying, but we just laugh about it, take things slowly and give the horse a chance, many of his horses lived soundly into a great age, the other was about horsemeat, its not right to eat horses.
they were his opinions and i respect his right to them
a code of conduct for breeding societies, not breed standards, more ethical treatment of youngstock, that they should be handled and quiet to lead before being offered for sale, that ponies that need to be culled from the breeding herd should be broken to ride where possible so have a purposeful future, because they are not dogs on a piece of string for the showring, they are ponies for riding, that is the reason for their existence in the first place, and if en masse breeders are too bone idle or unskilled to do the basic things they should not be breeding in the first place, breeders licence?
because we all know things need to change, for the sake of the animals, things like these foals fate could be a catalyst for this becoming unacceptable, at the end of the day we are all agreed how sad it is.
rabatsa
Confuddled
I remember a horse meat butcher in Goole when I was growing up. It was in the dock area and catered for passing ships as well as some locals.
I have eaten horsemeat in Belgium and enjoyed it. It had been bought especially for me as my hosts knew that the British loved horse.
I have eaten horsemeat in Belgium and enjoyed it. It had been bought especially for me as my hosts knew that the British loved horse.