Going to view a horse!

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LadyGascoyne said:
@Birker2020 saw this and thought of you


I know it's a bit of an off piste suggestion but look at its lovely face 😍
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I love him and he isn't far from me. ;) A real old fashioned true ID type, not enough of those about these days sadly. Nothing wrong with him that a couple of years and a decent rider to take him on won't solve, just typical of that big rangy type of Draft that needs to mature to come to his full potential. He has probably been rushed a bit for sale, (quite normal over here TBH) I would just potter about on him for the next year and then reschool him. If I was looking and had the money I would definitely consider him for sure.
 
PurpleSpots said:
It looks like he did alot for a big, unbalanced, growing horse as a 3yo :( .

Why do people have to rush them so much :( .
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I expect he has only been ridden a few times- it’s back, hunt meet, sales video and move on. He will be very, very green! Not how I would do it, especially for something big and very weak- you can see his stifles wobbling
 
Rowreach said:
That's not sound behind.
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Do you think so? I am far from an expert but I can't see it, well other than a rather weak looking gangly thing that certainly isn't going as well as he will be able to when more mature and nicely schooled and ridden. Can you talk me through what you are seeing please, never too old to learn.:)
 
I actually asked my vet friend (suitably experienced and cynical vet) what she thought earlier this afternoon and she said there wasn't enough footage of him moving on non-dodgy or deep ground to tell. I can see what you mean though, but I also felt it could just be weak. Would need better videos first and then a thorough vetting.

I'm tentatively looking for something for myself to go alongside a baby sports horse so we've been chatting through some horses.

ETA it was 0.5 seconds into this video that made me ask, in case anyone is interested.

 
LadyGascoyne said:
I actually asked my vet friend (suitably experienced and cynical vet) what she thought earlier this afternoon and she said there wasn't enough footage of him moving on non-dodgy or deep ground to tell. I can see what you mean though, but I also felt it could just be weak. Would need better videos first and then a thorough vetting.

I'm tentatively looking for something for myself to go alongside a baby sports horse so we've been chatting through some horses.

ETA it was 0.5 seconds into this video that made me ask, in case anyone is interested.

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He won’t land on his right hind, when he does go to land right lead he puts both down together. That’s big red flags for me
 
PurpleSpots said:
It looks like he did alot for a big, unbalanced, growing horse as a 3yo :( .

Why do people have to rush them so much :( .
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I have zero idea but it annoys me so much because that big guy in the advert looks like he still has a lot of growing to do
 
I see what your seeing, maybe a stupid question, but could they favour the left leg as being so young, like right handed people? Genuine question.
 
nagblagger said:
I see what your seeing, maybe a stupid question, but could they favour the left leg as being so young, like right handed people? Genuine question.
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I don’t mind them choosing to land on one lead or another, but putting both down together is a sure sign of a problem IMO. He is incredibly weak behind so it could well improve with time (I would turn him away on a nice hilly field for 6 months), or it could be something is already compromised.
 
TheMule said:
I don’t mind them choosing to land on one lead or another, but putting both down together is a sure sign of a problem IMO. He is incredibly weak behind so it could well improve with time (I would turn him away on a nice hilly field for 6 months), or it could be something is already compromised.
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I would be sticking him on my hill for a while too. We have a wonderful hill with very even ground but quite steep inclines at points. My horses often look fitter after their holidays than in livery 🤣 I would hope he's only young and weak - he's such a sweet looking chap and I love his big head.
 
Poor chap :(.

I didn't realise there were videos with the advert; my earlier comment was based only on the write up and photos.

Having watched the video shared on here... Why do people do it?

Even putting potential discomfort aside, horse is clearly not confident - chomping mouth, nose tucked in as steering not established especially in the clip going into the water, not balanced enough to jump as falls totally on forehand after jumps and fighting for head (teeth potential issue, and hind end discomfort of course too), and the way he's standing at the meet just shouts insecurity, tension and feeling overwhelmed. And why on Earth would you jump in that sort of going, especially with a baby. I could go on, but I won't.

I'm well aware it's how some people do it, but just WHY. Is it any wonder alot of horses go through a spell of 'Hang on, I didn't agree to all of this and now I need to say NO.' Take it steady, let the horse dictate the pace, and they're in agreement for ever more because their feedback is heard and heeded. Overwhelm them and of COURSE they're going to put the brakes on at some point when they feel they can.
 
PurpleSpots said:
Poor chap :(.

I didn't realise there were videos with the advert; my earlier comment was based only on the write up and photos.

Having watched the video shared on here... Why do people do it?

Even putting potential discomfort aside, horse is clearly not confident - chomping mouth, nose tucked in as steering not established especially in the clip going into the water, not balanced enough to jump as falls totally on forehand after jumps and fighting for head (teeth potential issue, and hind end discomfort of course too), and the way he's standing at the meet just shouts insecurity, tension and feeling overwhelmed. And why on Earth would you jump in that sort of going, especially with a baby. I could go on, but I won't.

I'm well aware it's how some people do it, but just WHY. Is it any wonder alot of horses go through a spell of 'Hang on, I didn't agree to all of this and now I need to say NO.' Take it steady, let the horse dictate the pace, and they're in agreement for ever more because their feedback is heard and heeded. Overwhelm them and of COURSE they're going to put the brakes on at some point when they feel they can.
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Short answer is money.
 
Ok, looked at videos and I can see it now, thanks @TheMule. Infact now it has been pointed out to me, it's all I can see sadly! 😞 What a pity, he could be a lovely sort given time. But if he has been up for sale that long I would wonder if it is something permanent and he will ever come sound at all, no matter what approach you took.
 
To be fair, it may not be lame but just compensating for doing to much too soon.I have seen what dealers do having been on a livery at one but so do many people who offer backing services.Again, it comes down to money.I follow a really old fashioned Danish trainer trained in the Hungarian cavalry tradition.She says that they had to train horses for people who may not be the best riders.In short, they would lunge a young horse gently for 3 to 4 times a week for up to 3 months so that its back muscles were strengthened enough to carry a rider.Once the young horse was backed it would be hacked out, following an older horse,over a variety of terrain with the rider doing as little as possible to influence it while it learned to balance itself with a rider.Only when this was achieved was anything like schooling started.
Compare this to backing in a dealers yard.Horse lunged for a few days without and then with saddle.If all going well, rider climbs aboard.within about a fortnight horse is taught to walk,trot and then canter in the school after a fashion and is hacked out a few times in company.It is then ready for sale.Novice/unsuspecting buyers will think the horse further on in its education than it is.I have also to add that finding a genuinely decent trainer to help with a young horse is liking looking for a needle in a haystack.I have finally found one after a couple of false starts.
 
LadyGascoyne said:
I would be sticking him on my hill for a while too. We have a wonderful hill with very even ground but quite steep inclines at points. My horses often look fitter after their holidays than in livery 🤣 I would hope he's only young and weak - he's such a sweet looking chap and I love his big head.
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This is what the vet advised me, he saw Lari moved like this when he was vetted and said that I needed to do plenty of hill work with him initially. He assumed it was because he was weak behind. He left his right hind leg behind every now and then.

It was actually because he had SI injury involvement instead.

I wouldn't touch him. There is another one on HQ that moves like this also that I have dismissed.
 
Birker2020 said:
This is what the vet advised me, he saw Lari moved like this when he was vetted and said that I needed to do plenty of hill work with him initially. He assumed it was because he was weak behind. He left his right hind leg behind every now and then.

It was actually because he had SI injury involvement instead.

I wouldn't touch him. There is another one on HQ that moves like this also that I have dismissed.
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How old was Lari when you bought him.
 
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