Horse being hit around the head

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Guess what ? I may have ridden badly or given incorrect aids or not positioned the numnah correctly etc but I've certainly not lost my shit abd beaten an animal.
There's a big difference between doing "something the horse would rather I didn't do " and beating a horse.
Anyone defending this disgraceful woman is equally low in my view.

Nobody that I have seen has defended the woman's actions but a lot of people have said that CP's decision to ensure that the video was seen online by thousands of people and to encourage a witch hunt which 'named and shamed' the wrong woman was also indefensible. That is not the way to go about things - and if we are talking about 'British Values', one of them is to follow due process in order to ensure fairness.


ETA "Nobody wants anyone to commit suicide or to receive death threats". No? So why post the video on line instead of handing it to RSPCA for their consideration?

 

[Sossigpoker]

Nobody that I have seen has defended the woman's actions but a lot of people have said that CP's decision to ensure that the video was seen online by thousands of people and to encourage a witch hunt which 'named and shamed' the wrong woman was also indefensible. That is not the way to go about things - and if we are talking about 'British Values', one of them is to follow due process in order to ensure fairness.

Are you saying that Sarah Moulds isn't the woman in the video ?

 

[bonny]

Nobody that I have seen has defended the woman's actions but a lot of people have said that CP's decision to ensure that the video was seen online by thousands of people and to encourage a witch hunt which 'named and shamed' the wrong woman was also indefensible. That is not the way to go about things - and if we are talking about 'British Values', one of them is to follow due process in order to ensure fairness.

Trial by social media is a thousand times worse than trial in a court.

 

[Sossigpoker]

Im really struggling to find any sympathy for this woman.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Are you saying that Sarah Moulds isn't the woman in the video ?

I have no idea who the woman in the video is but I do know that 2 different women have been named.

 

[Winters100]

Great post .

I get what you are saying that there are other ways to ill treat horses, but I do not believe that the vast majority here base their opinions regarding the incident upon the fact that it was related to hunting. Mine would certainly be unchanged whether this happened at a dressage / showjumping or any other event. I would not wish to be involved with hunting at present, but I hunted as a child, and I would certainly not have any ill feeling towards those who do participate. To me the debate about whether the people present should have been filming, or whether the video should have been shared, is secondary to the point that this sort of thing is not acceptable.

ETA sorry I meant to write this as a reply to Rowreach, but I suppose you guessed this

 

[ycbm]

I get what you are saying that there are other ways to ill treat horses, but I do not believe that the vast majority here base their opinions regarding the incident upon the fact that it was related to hunting. Mine would certainly be unchanged whether this happened at a dressage / showjumping or any other event. I would not wish to be involved with hunting at present, but I hunted as a child, and I would certainly not have any ill feeling towards those who do participate. To me the debate about whether the people present should have been filming, or whether the video should have been shared, is secondary to the point that this sort of thing is not acceptable.

I agree W, but without the Packham connection this wouldn't have had any of the mainstream media attention and without the hunting connection it wouldn't have had Packham's attention.

It's now a very nasty situation, I don't like it at all never mind what she's done.
.

 

[shortstuff99]

From what I've seen online, people are taking this as confirmation that all hunting people are animal abusing psychopaths. I'm not sure how hunting are going to be able to deal with this.

 

[Nancykitt]

From what I've seen online, people are taking this as confirmation that all hunting people are animal abusing psychopaths. I'm not sure how hunting are going to be able to deal with this.

That's exactly what I was thinking.
I can't see a way forward. The sabs are vile, their supporters are the most vitriolic people I've ever seen, the illegal hunters make me angry and people who abuse their horses just disgust me. What a mess.

 

[shortstuff99]

That's exactly what I was thinking.
I can't see a way forward. The sabs are vile, their supporters are the most vitriolic people I've ever seen, the illegal hunters make me angry and people who abuse their horses just disgust me. What a mess.

I just don't get how anything can be sorted now. I get why people don't like hunting, I also don't agree with legal (emphasis on legal) activities being disrupted because they don't like it.

 

[SO1]

They will need the services of a very good public relations agency that specialises in crisis management to get them out of this mess. There are agencies that will advise on what to do, what to say and how to tidy up PR disasters. There are things that hunting folk can do to make themselves come across as more friendly, warm, caring and approachable.

This will be the 3rd high profile negative issue in the press related to hunting in the recent months.

The National Trust has definitely done the right thing in distancing themselves from hunting.

From what I've seen online, people are taking this as confirmation that all hunting people are animal abusing psychopaths. I'm not sure how hunting are going to be able to deal with this.

 

[J.Tiernan]

interested to know, when was the last time the hunting office spoke out about not tolerating animal cruelty?

 

[spotty_pony]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-kicking-and-slapping-horse-in-face-0ctt5wmnm

Oh god I know who she is!! ? sadly that sort of behaviour seems to run in the family!!

 

[Rumbaba]

Oh dear God she’s a teacher, the parents will have an absolute field day…………….her behaviour is absolutely outrageous and totally inexcusable but I think the consequences for her, well this is going to torpedo life as she knows it what an absolute mess.

 

[Sossigpoker]

Oh dear God she’s a teacher, the parents will have an absolute field day…………….her behaviour is absolutely outrageous and totally inexcusable but I think the consequences for her, well this is going to torpedo life as she knows it what an absolute mess.

A mess she created and deserves by abusing an animal.

 

[Sandstone1]

I have said this for sometime now. with technology theses days such as phones and drones etc if people are hunting within the law their behaviour needs to be perfect. If not they will get caught out. As this case shows. Its no good blaming sabs for filming it. It happened. Sabs didnt hit and kick the pony. The woman did. With social media these days people just can not get away with it. Nor should they. It may not have been dealt in the right way but it will bring about change. Its a big nail in the coffin of hunting.

 

[Prancerpoos]

Just saw the bit on it in the Times. I don’t think she will be keeping her job as a schoolteacher much longer.

 

[Ceriann]

It’s made DM online headline now.

 

[ycbm]

A mess she created and deserves by abusing an animal.

I'm sorry, I can't agree with you there. She did not deserve what is happening to her now. What she did was a very minor piece of animal abuse, which was inexcusable, but if it had gone to the normal way of prosecutions it would probably not have been deemed worth of taking to court and the Police would simply have cautioned her.

Her life and that of her family are being ripped to shreds today. This is not right.

 

[cauda equina]

It’s made DM online headline now.

And how handy to be able to repeat the Mark Hankinson story, in case anyone missed it first time round

 

[Tiddlypom]

It’s made DM online headline now.

It's the lead item on their UK news page .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ing-horse-married-primary-school-teacher.html

No public relations agency could possibly rescue hunting's public image after this, the Hankinson verdict and the National Trust vote all occurring in such short succession.

Slam dunk massive Sab PR coup handed to them on a plate.

Absolutely this.

 

[ycbm]

And how handy to be able to repeat the Mark Hankinson story, in case anyone missed it first time round

Making the full join up between what she did and illegal hunting, whether the Cottesmore were hunting legally that day or not.

Slam dunk massive Sab PR coup handed to them on a plate.

What an unholy mess trail hunting has created by not distancing themselves from illegal hunting years ago when they knew it was going on.

I think legal hunts now need a new governing body, a big PR campaign, to stop using fox scent, and to organise the obvious, independent monitoring if their own activities of they have a hope of carrying on.

Every Mail reader whose verge is run over by a hunter's wagon is going to kick up a stink this winter.

 

[Sossigpoker]

I'm sorry, I can't agree with you there. She did not deserve what is happening to her now. What she did was a very minor piece of animal abuse, which was inexcusable, but if it had gone to the normal way of prosecutions it would probably not have been deemed worth of taking to court and the Police would simply have cautioned her.

Her life and that of her family are being ripped to shreds today. This is not right.

Minor piece of animal abuse ?
Oh I'm glad it was just minor ! Imagine the major pieces of animal abuse then ! Silly old me thinking violence is violence.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I think legal hunts now need a new governing body, a big PR campaign, to stop using fox scent, and to organise the obvious, independent monitoring if their own activities of they have a hope of carrying on.

They've long needed this, but have consistently failed to act on it.

If this latest furore doesn't boot them out of their apathy, nothing will.

 

[meleeka]

To be fair, I think hunting’s reputation amongst the general public was about as low as it could go anyway.

 

[Gallop_Away]

Firstly let me just say, what I think this woman did was completely wrong and I think she should now be banned from taking part in future hunt events and should at the very least receive a caution from police.
The pony absolutely did not deserve this treatment and she should be completely ashamed of herself.
Also she has brought hunting into the firing line yet again, and certainly isn't doing us any favours!!

Buuuuuut.....

I also do not condone the trial by social media. This has now caused her, and a completely innocent woman, having their names plastered all over the Internet, her daughters face was also visible in one post I seen on fb yesterday, although I think has since been covered, her employer has been named and the womans life has been ruined.

This is why I despise sabs and their idea of vigilante justice, and their pet CP. What she did was vile but ruining the woman and that of her family's life is also vile.
Need I remind everyone of Caroline Flack. People make mistakes, something horrible shameful mistakes. What ever happened to "be kind" I wonder?

 

[DrSeuss]

Not so long ago there were posts on here decrying the way an Olympic coach punched her horse in the modern pentathlon. I just went back to check if anyone here had suggested it was "very minor animal abuse" that wouldn't even be worth investigating had there been no cameras to see, expressed concern that the coach was being pushed to the point of suicidality by the press, or suggested that it was all the fault of people who object to equestrian sports for engineering the situation. There don't appear to be any posts like that. Not one.

Perhaps people will try to tell me that punching the flank of an Olympic horse is worse than hitting your horse about the head when he doesn't load or using the hard end of the whip on him, but I doubt for a second that anyone here would believe that. It's more that some people are very invested in hunting's image, in a way they're not invested in the modern pentathlon, and this is why the discussion keeps moving onto the need for "better PR" as though that's the real serious issue here.

 

[Clodagh]

I think those of you who are saying hunting has had it now overestimate the memory length and outrage quota of 99% of the British public and underestimate the tenacity of people who take part in a sport which has had many brickbats thrown at it over the years (many deservedly).
It will be forgotten in a week or two.

 

[nutjob]

Minor piece of animal abuse ?
Oh I'm glad it was just minor ! Imagine the major pieces of animal abuse then ! Silly old me thinking violence is violence.

You are very lucky if you haven't seen any of the stuff about Harry Evans which is in a completely different league to this and is still very much ongoing. I wish I could be sure he could never come near any animal again as I am haunted by the images. It didn't make any mainstream media and he is still buying and selling horses. I don't support this woman but there are VERY much worse things going on.

 

[shortstuff99]

Firstly let me just say, what I think this woman did was completely wrong and I think she should now be banned from taking part in future hunt events and should at the very least receive a caution from police.
The pony absolutely did not deserve this treatment and she should be completely ashamed of herself.
Also she has brought hunting into the firing line yet again, and certainly isn't doing us any favours!!

Buuuuuut.....

I also do not condone the trial by social media. This has now caused her, and a completely innocent woman, having their names plastered all over the Internet, her daughters face was also visible in one post I seen on fb yesterday, although I think has since been covered, her employer has been named and the womans life has been ruined.

This is why I despise sabs and their idea of vigilante justice, and their pet CP. What she did was vile but ruining the woman and that of her family's life is also vile.
Need I remind everyone of Caroline Flack. People make mistakes, something horrible shameful mistakes. What ever happened to "be kind" I wonder?

Have you seen what sabs and frankly even a lot of normal people say about hunters? They could not care less if something terrible was to happen to her. In their mind they deserve it as karma for hunting (and being 'posh').

I'm not a fun of fox hunting and I don't think it is nice to foxes, but I do drag hunting and I don't think people deserve this sort of hate.