horse communicators and reason out the window

I find it total madness that people pay for this but more so that a lady i was stabled with wouldnt get a vet out to her lame horse until the communicator had been as she felt that he would be able to tell her more than a vet.

Words actually fail me that so many people are conned into this.

Oh and the amount of girls in Essex i know who have been told that their horse likes bling and pink!!!!! You couldnt make it up!
 
Booboos said:
Sorry, science says 'no'. Horses are dichromats and seem to perceive colour like human dichromats, i.e. they have trouble differentiating reds from greens, lime greens from orange and blues from purple.

They perceive neutral colours like trichromats which is why black and white objects stand out for horses.
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How do we (science) know this? Not argueing, I'm interested BTW :)
 
My neighbour is a clairvoyant - he's just been round and asked me what tomorrow's weather will be like.

Local pub has been ADVERTISING a psychic evening - don't they know???

You can communicate with animals to a certain extent because they mostly use body language and the nuances of that for horses would fill several tomes but any idea that someone can "read" them from a still picture is a charlatan - anyone who says that they receive messages from dead horses or people needs a good smack up the side of their ear with a muck shovel.

Ah... you know, I'd have thought you'd have seen that coming?
 
foxy1 said:
How do we (science) know this? Not argueing, I'm interested BTW :)
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One way is behavioural studies but the results can be conflicting. An example of a study is to reward horses for choosing a card with a circle on it, then present the circle in different colour combinations and draw conclusions from that as to which colours horses can see.


More convincing are physiological studies of the eye and arguments by analogy from human eyesight. Humans are typically trichromats but we know that human dichromats perceive colours differently to trichromats. We observe that horses are dichromats and draw an inference that they must perceive colours like human dichromats. Along side this is a theory of the wavelengths colour presents itself in and a theory of how the different types of retinas perceive these wavelengths.

A nice summary of the literature:

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijz/2009/721798/
 
Yes, whatever, about the colour of the twirly lick. I'd never seen one of those things before, and I'm pretty certain the communicator hadn't ever seen one. My purple could be your green, but we'd both call it the same thing.

I'm more interested in just how she did that - I still have the info she wrote down, charging nothing, and it still astounds me with its specifics.

I fully agree that there are a thousand charlattans out there, and just as many mugs....but how could she have known about the cat???:confused::confused::confused:
 
Landcruiser said:
Yes, whatever, about the colour of the twirly lick. I'd never seen one of those things before, and I'm pretty certain the communicator hadn't ever seen one. My purple could be your green, but we'd both call it the same thing.

I'm more interested in just how she did that - I still have the info she wrote down, charging nothing, and it still astounds me with its specifics.

I fully agree that there are a thousand charlattans out there, and just as many mugs....but how could she have known about the cat???:confused::confused::confused:
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Eeeerh...she made it up?

She flooded you with loads of ideas, you responded to some of them, she picked up on your body language and to finish it off we all have a tendency to remember what seems correct rather than what seems wrong so the overall impression was that she got a lot of things right.

How could she not have known about the cat???? Most yards have a cat, it's not exactly an insane guess! And if you hadn't had a cat yourself, she could always have claimed it was a memory from his previous home.

The point about the colour is that the horse could not have seen purple so it could not have told her purple. If she never went into specifics either, then it's not really difficult to see how she got it right. "He misses the food thingey on the way" is bound to be right as it could refer to the manger, the haynet, the salt lick, the wood he was chewing, etc. all you have to do is fill in the gaps and hey presto mind reading!

I challenge any communicator out there to 'speak' to any currently stolen horse and ask him the number plate of his thief's car so the police can track him down. Why not do something useful with such an incredible gift?
 
Hippona said:
My yard doesnt have a cat. Or a twirly lick.
Science cant prove everything.
At best....it can disprove ;)
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Yeah I don't believe in gravity either. I thoroughly recommend this approach next time you get thrown of a horse, just refuse to believe in gravity and you will harmlessly levitate above the ground.
 
I think I actually have the gift. Does anyone on here have a bay horse? I'm getting a strong image of a bay in a field, he's telling me he would like more mollassed mixes, but knows you only restrict them for his own good. I'm also getting the vision of a brick building, & a shovel near-by, & some buckets too. The horse says he prefers rolling without a rug, & he remembers the time he farted whilst you were grooming. For anyone else wanting a reading, I can pm my paypal account.
 
Nicnac said:
Ha you remembered my fireman story. To give the background it was my farrier at a training yard where one of the lady owners decided to get the 'Horse whisperer' in to find out why her horse wasn't winning. She got the answer :D
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It's a great story :D Maybe they should have got him a blue flashing light to wear on racedays? :D
 
Hippona said:
My yard doesnt have a cat. Or a twirly lick.
Science cant prove everything.
At best....it can disprove ;)
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Booboos said:
Yeah I don't believe in gravity either. I thoroughly recommend this approach next time you get thrown of a horse, just refuse to believe in gravity and you will harmlessly levitate above the ground.
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Hmm. Theres more to Life, the Universe and Everything than just the stuff you choose to believe in.

Just because it can't be proved.....doesn't prove anything.

Calm down dear;)
 
Someone did a reading on a horse of mine who at the time i was thinking about PTS. (i did end up having to PTS)

There were a number of things said that she couldn`t have possibly known, and 2 things in particular that were so specific it was unreal !!

I wasn`t charged for the reading, she didn`t want paying.
 
I have been absolutely at the end of my tether with a horse and resorted to using an animal communicator. I think there are some charlatans and some people with a genuine gift in this area, which I don't pretend to understand.
Have a read of this if you have 5 mins:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/chapter-18-revealing-anne-kursinskis-secrets
Anne is a serious jockey, and I doubt she'd waste time or money (hers or the owners') on a load of total rubbish... ;) ;)
Fwiw I got some very valuable insights into my horses. And since I spent my own money on it, and it did nobody and no horse any harm, what on earth has it got to do with anyone else?! (Also, another AC I tried was totally inaccurate about every horse and gave me a full refund without question. can't knock that.)
 
Hippona said:
Hmm. Theres more to Life, the Universe and Everything than just the stuff you choose to believe in.

Just because it can't be proved.....doesn't prove anything.

Calm down dear;)
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Don't worry about me dear, irrationality does not fluster me, it's a professional hazard.

I don't randomnly chose my beliefs, I rely on reason. The problem with psychics is not just that their claims cannot be proven, but that they do not cohere with any of our other knowledge about the universe, they can't be replicated AND they can't be proven. Oh, also they are nonesense.
 
I know why don't you hang them!!
You can all shout 'Witch Witch' and laugh as they swing around on the end of the noose. Then you can cheer and laugh some more and say snide remarks and look down on other peoples beliefs.
Oh except witch hunts were banned in the 1750's.. apart from on forums it would seem.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves, your adults not a pack of neanderthals. Wether you are for or against communicators there is never any need to belittle other people for what they think.

witch-hunt also witch hunt (wchhnt)
n.
An investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views.
 
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kerilli said:
Have a read of this if you have 5 mins:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/chapter-18-revealing-anne-kursinskis-secrets
Anne is a serious jockey, and I doubt she'd waste time or money (hers or the owners') on a load of total rubbish... ;) ;)
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A serious jockey is obviously a step saner than your average person?!

I doubt she is spending money on rubbish. I'd happily pay Derren Brown for what he does... he's very good at reading people and placing thoughts which in turn can have great results.

In a similar vein if someone can read a horse and owners body language and advise them accordingly of course it will have results. This doesn't prove that they can hear them saying they want to be a fireman though!

If it was as simple as a jockey believing making it so, there will probably be more than a handful of definite religions. Lots of doctors and lawyers and other rational people believe in a god of some form...
 
I can't believe I've not opened this thread before... A homophobic horse and a horse who wants to be a fireman? Epic! :D Just when you thought you've heard everything HHO enlightens you once again.

Booboos said:
Imagine for a moment that you can communicate with animals, what would you do with this ability?

- you could help find all the stolen horses by just asking them where they are

- you could help avoid loads of welfare cases by having the horses report their owners straight to the welfare authorities

- you could have any horse involved in an accident give you the location of its unconscious rider

the list goes on. Instead you decide to charge people to tell them inanities - you are either a fraud or immoral.
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Yeah, this is kind of where I stand on the whole mind reading, talking to the dead stuff, etc... It would be awesome if people could do it, the possibilities would be limitless. Yet these people just use their "powers" to chat on about favorite colours, wanting to be firemen, other random fluff, etc.

Saying that, I did try one through desperation and wanting to at least attempt open-mindedness. She was wildly inaccurate, but cost less than an inaccurate vet.
 
Booboos said:
Don't worry about me dear, irrationality does not fluster me, it's a professional hazard.

I don't randomnly chose my beliefs, I rely on reason. The problem with psychics is not just that their claims cannot be proven, but that they do not cohere with any of our other knowledge about the universe, they can't be replicated AND they can't be proven. Oh, also they are nonesense.
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I dont just randomly chose my beliefs either....life experience shapes my attitudes towards certain things.

I am entitled to my opinions....as you are to yours.

I will not lower myself to rubbish you....:rolleyes:
 
Hippona said:
I dont just randomly chose my beliefs either....life experience shapes my attitudes towards certain things.

I am entitled to my opinions....as you are to yours.
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I haven't said anything on this thread to suggest that I would challenge your right to have your own opinions. Having an opinion though does not equate with being right or other people agreeing with your opinion. My opinion is that your opinion is wrong, which is as valid an opinion as your original one.

If you chose to participate in a thread that discusses the lack of reasoning exhibited in believing in communicators you should not become upset at being challenged to justify your opinion.



Hippona said:
I will not lower myself to rubbish you....:rolleyes:
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I would hope not but I think the boat has sailed on this one.
 
Lol.....I am not upset in the slightest.....

I never said that you implied I wasnt allowed an opinion.....however, your tone appeared fairly mocking....

Some people have had experiences, not necessarily with animal communicators...but with other so-called 'paranormal' or unexplainable phenomenon. Just because things cannot be proven, doesnt mean they don't happen or exist...

I am open to the idea that science cannot prove everything and that there is more to the world and logic, reason and rationale....

You quite obviously are not, which is fair enough....
 
My Mum insisted on paying for Radionics for my horses melanomas. I didn't believe a bit of it. When he broke his leg I got her to ring them for an update, they said he was doing really well. Needless to say she didn't pay them any longer!
 
FionaM12 said:
:D:D:D:D:D:D


Still chuckling at the idea of a homophobic horse though. :D:D
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Me too - as my senior rider is gay - and ALL my horses like him! There are plenty of horses who don't like men, and plenty more who play up with women - but that is due to past experiences.

And yes, horse communicators occasionally get it right - for all sorts of reasons.

The first is the likelihood of 'inside information' - they know someone who knows the horse/the horse's owner.

Then there are clues they pick up in what the owner says/how the horse reacts. And of course, if they said, everytime, "this horse doesn't like x" they'd get it right SOME of the time. The people for whom they get it right are far more likely to talk about it than the owners who decide everything the communicator said was rubbish - and feels stupid for wasting their money!:rolleyes:
 
kerilli said:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/chapter-18-revealing-anne-kursinskis-secrets
Anne is a serious jockey, and I doubt she'd waste time or money (hers or the owners') on a load of total rubbish...
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Tom Cruise is a Scientologist - Charlie Sheen is a 911 Conspiracist so being famous for one thing is plain no guarantee of sanity in another.

Anyone who looks at a horse's photograph and then purported to be able to "read" what it's thinking or can reveal hidden details of its past - is either making lucky guesses, tricking the gulible owner's into believing what they say has some merit - or it's part of an elaborate fraud - like spiritualism.

I'm more than willing to bet that I could take some random photos of horses and these guys wouldn't even catch on the horses didn't belong to me - pm me anyone who wants to take me on. I won't be holding my breath.
 
Hippona said:
I am open to the idea that science cannot prove everything ...
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Name me one thing that it can't.

What every person who comes up with that old chestnut seems to forget is - in the entire history of man ( and woman ...oops) what we now call science has been employed to deduce how the world works and not one thing turned out to be MAGIC!

and that there is more to the world and logic, reason and rationale....
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Read the first bit again. EVERYTHING is explainable by logic, reason and rationale - or else it is bunk! Scientific Laws and Theories are so good they can actually predict things that have not been discovered, co-incide with observably facts - all other forms of hokus-pocus seek to turn the flippin' clock back.

...however, your tone appeared fairly mocking....
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My tone will remain completely mocking - because while it might be acceptable to have differing views on politics or the best colour of horse - it's entirely another matter to promote charlatan ideas and seek to establish credence for them.

I am a member of the James Randi Foundation - they have been offering $1,000,000 to anyone who can prove clairvoyance, telepathy and communicating with dead people - for years without ANY takers let alone folk who've tried and failed.
 
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