blitznbobs
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Well i believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts… if you can show me one piece of empirical evidence that there is any truth in this I will happily read and evaluate it.
'Horse whisperers' - are they ethical?
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Nasicus
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I think the worst are the ones offering 'distance' or 'online' readings/animal whispering etc. Absolute scumbags preying on peoples vulnerability.
Katieg123
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Yes! A friend was telling me theres one nearby that for a few hundred quid and a sample of the horses hair she'll fix all your problems
I was tempted to get some hair off the neighbors donkey and see what she thinks of my eventer!Toby_Zaphod
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I posted earlier with nothing much good to say about 'Whisperers/ Communicators but I've just remembered another thing. A couple of owners actually contacted a communicator & paid money for a reading. Nothing strange about that but they had to post a photograph of their horse to the communicator & she would contact them with the result of her reading. Bloody communicator was too damn lazy to come out & see the animal. I can't remember what her reading was cos I wasn't interested in the charlatan.
MuddyMonster
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Just out of curiosity, would you expect a very talented artist *or insert other career* to work for free?
I've had virtual reiki healing & communication for mine. I'm well aware people are sceptical and it's not everyone's cup of tea. That's fine - I'm not trying to convert anyone!
It certainly wasn't anywhere near a hundred pounds. For less than the price of a round of drinks, I was happy with the result.
I just think people have different skills - some people are naturally super talented at maths or singing or riding, so why can't some feel or intepret things others might not be able to?
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sbloom
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I do think there will be things that currently look like hocus pocus to anyone focused on evidence based research that, in 100 years time, will be explained with science. I have no idea which parts of the more "fluffy" world those will be of course! I try to be open minded but equally of course aware of rip off merchants. I get my eyes opened and my mind changed about stuff regularly.
littleshetland
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Please read my post (no. 54) further back up this thread and give me your thoughts… I know it’s purely anecdotal, but it actually happened.. to me!
Perhaps science has not sufficiently evolved enough yet for things of a supernatural nature to be empirically proven, but perhaps one day they will. I’m no scientist, but as I understand it, quantum brings us a little closer. Also good to remember that while Isaac Newton was writing his Principia, he was practicing Alchemy. He may not have succeeded but a good job he was open to all possibilities.
windand rain
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I do think if there was even the slightest bit of integrity in these people they would do it free of charge for the welfare of the animal. I also believe that there is an element of telepathy in people especially if you are very close to them my oh and I have often spoken the same words at the exact same time. While I doubt some random person would be that tuned into telepathy it is possible but why would we assume horses speak English
Cortez
Tough but Fair
There are several very simple explanations for the example you give above, it's hardly proof of psychic activity. Alchemy has been completely disproven by science, but in Newton's time it was still subject to experiment.
MuddyMonster
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I must confess, I don't get that thinking at all.
Should very talented vet's, equine body workers - or really anyone - work FOC because they are above averagely skilled and have a natural eye for what they do? Undoubtedly the welfare of an animal would improve but everyone has bills to pay.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
I've never used an animal communicator, but I have a very close relative who is genuinely and sometimes scarily psychic. This relative has a very high powered and responsible conventional career and is no bull shitter.
I have it but in a much lesser form, I'll know if there are bad vibes in a location, for instance, but I'm not a patch on my relative.
I have it but in a much lesser form, I'll know if there are bad vibes in a location, for instance, but I'm not a patch on my relative.
Peglo
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Imagining a world where talented vets and farriers worked for free….. while waiting for my hogwarts letter.
littleshetland
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Please tell me how’s complete stranger would know of my mothers passing months previous and how could she possibly know about the coat? I’ve thought about it all ways, and I can only conclude this woman was in communication with someone or something.
Mr Newtons experiments in Alchemy, no doubt led to developments in modern scientific methods. There’s always something to be learned.
equinerebel
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Should vets, physios and farriers also work for free? Their work is entirely for the welfare of the animal.
Everyone deserves to be paid for their time whatever someone is willing to pay them. If you think they’re all fake, don’t pay for their services
I have been on several paranormal investigations with a wide range of strangers. Weird things that cannot currently be explained happens. I’ve met genuine mediums and had fascinating conversations with them. No energy is created and none is destroyed, so my guess as to where that goes and how people interpret it is as good as anyone else’s in the absence of any solid evidence either way.
It’s always good to be open minded.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
All she had to do was talk to anyone who knew you. Cold readers are expert at what they do.
nagblagger
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I would love to know what my mare is thinking / her history. I have an open mind as have visited 'clairvoyants' in the past with some accuracy of what has happened.
However, i booked a Bowen technique session a few years ago as i was having a few aches, i knew the man was a 'psychic' but had not booked up for a reading, he did not know me and i was not on any social media. As soon as i walked in he smiled and said good spirits were around me (must admit i thought WTF and nearly left!), he told me not to worry as they were just using him to thank me as I had supported them passing over. True, through my work, which he didn't know at that point as I had only just walked through the door. He then just carried on doing the Bowen and nothing more was said about it.
Don't get me started on spooky happenings in hospitals it would derail the thread...
However, i booked a Bowen technique session a few years ago as i was having a few aches, i knew the man was a 'psychic' but had not booked up for a reading, he did not know me and i was not on any social media. As soon as i walked in he smiled and said good spirits were around me (must admit i thought WTF and nearly left!), he told me not to worry as they were just using him to thank me as I had supported them passing over. True, through my work, which he didn't know at that point as I had only just walked through the door. He then just carried on doing the Bowen and nothing more was said about it.
Don't get me started on spooky happenings in hospitals it would derail the thread...
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
Not so open minded brains fall out.
Proof under standardised conditions or prosecute for fraud.
Time for Tea
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I am enjoying reading this thread. I was out riding one day on my bouncy and enthusiastic ID/TB, and there was a woman walking towards me, with two dogs. A stranger. She said hello, and what a lovely horse. We paused, and she stared at him for a moment or two. He hates spurs, she said. I never wear them, I said. No, she said, but other people have in the past and he really hates them. This I knew, because at a jumping lesson the instructor had wanted to ride him, which we agreed to. After a very agitated half a circuit of the arena the instructor halted and dismounted. I’ll just take my spurs off, he said! After that all was well.
Anyway this woman went on to say that my horse loved water, (true) and that he would love to help and teach other young horses! (Unknown) She then said that she knew nothing about riding, but she thought she could tell me some things about how to ride him that he would tell her himself. (No mention of money at all)
This was a step too far for me, and I said that he was a difficult horse, but we were in a learning process together, and I would like to proceed in my own way. She wished me all the best, and we went on our way.
He was a difficult horse, I lost him at the age of 24 about seven years ago, I still miss him. Just to sit on him and walk down the road was to be gifted a slice of heaven.
I have often regretted not taking up the offer from the woman who could talk to my horse.
Anyway this woman went on to say that my horse loved water, (true) and that he would love to help and teach other young horses! (Unknown) She then said that she knew nothing about riding, but she thought she could tell me some things about how to ride him that he would tell her himself. (No mention of money at all)
This was a step too far for me, and I said that he was a difficult horse, but we were in a learning process together, and I would like to proceed in my own way. She wished me all the best, and we went on our way.
He was a difficult horse, I lost him at the age of 24 about seven years ago, I still miss him. Just to sit on him and walk down the road was to be gifted a slice of heaven.
I have often regretted not taking up the offer from the woman who could talk to my horse.
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
littleshetland
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Thats the thing, we had no-one in common, absolutely no-one. Her exact words were (I remember them so well) were that she was 'glad I decided to wear the coat'. I hadn't told anyone about my indecision to wear the coat. She genuinely was a total stranger.
ETA. Definitely not a Cold reader...we chatted about music and cookery!
I suppose I'm trying to say it's good to keep an open mind, because maybe one day science will have evolved enough to investigate these things.
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Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
Do not underestimate the ability of these people to do their research on you.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
She doesn't need to know there was any indecision about the coat, all she needed was to guess you wore a coat (in winter?) She made a statement that could have applied to absolutely any coat you'd put on.
As it happens the coat was very significant for you, which is why you reacted so strongly to her comment. If it hadn't resonated, you would have forgotten she said it.
littleshetland
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I had no mobile phone, no social media accounts....nothing. There was no reason for her to say this to me for her own personal gain, she just said it .It stopped me in my tracks and obviously we talked about it.
equinerebel
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My brain is not “falling out” because I believe some people are able to communicate in a way that I am not.
littleshetland
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Thing is, we weren't talking about coats, wintertime or funerals...we'd been talking about music and cookery as I went to leave, she said 'I have a message for you ...
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Somewhere in that earlier conversion you had told her everything she needed to know without realising it. If you want to have a look online there are all sorts of people from the magic industry explaining how it's done.
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littleshetland
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Music and cookery. Recipes were swapped and great gigs re lived. No mention of deceased parents and fur coats. None. at. all.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
You obviously want to believe, so little anyone says is going to convince you otherwise. Have a little read about cold reading and how "psychics" operate, if you're curious.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
The first thing those explanations describe is that the target is selected from people who to want to believe.
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