GemG
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I think serious equestrian women who then go on to have children must feel quite torn a lot of the time.
...and some not so serious equestrian women also.
I think serious equestrian women who then go on to have children must feel quite torn a lot of the time.
Do the odd attitudes still seem odd to you after 30 pages of comments OP?
Well obviously if it were a 'no' children yard in the first place, I wouldn't be there in the first place. I'm not a complete idiot.
So I don't understand why you think you would be asked to leave if you took a child there?
This was what you wrote
'I would feel (rightly or wrongly) unfairly treated if I had to leave somewhere because I brought my children with me sometimes.'
The catch 22 on this thread is that those of us who chose not to have children did so because we did not want the responsibly of children, and many of us because we don't want to be around children. That means that we can completely understand why parents want to bring their children, because we worked out that's what the situation would be if we had them, and did not want it.
But on the reverse side, most of those who have them seem completely unable to understand why, however well behaved the children may be, the intentionally childless would want adult only yards. Personally, I believe that this is part of nature's defence mechanism. Once you have children, you can't just get rid of them, and mental health depends on maintaining the belief that they are a positive thing. For some parents includes an inability to see why, for many other people, parenting would not have been a positive thing.
I have met two parents in my life who said, and meant it, that they wished they had never had them. They were both very unhappy people..
Absolutely.
My life would undoubtedly be easier without, less stress massively by far.. it is incredibly hard and the single most difficult thing I've ever done. If I'd known the exact realities, I wouldn't probably not have had any. But I do and I have ... and I will obviously do my best to be the best parent I can to them and we do have great times too. But it's incredibly draining and a difficult juggling act with horses. But I feel if I gave up the horses I would lose part of who I am. So it's hard to not take it personally when folk suggest, well folk 'get rid of dogs', - basically tough. If that makes sense.
I wasn't going to post again, but this thread struck a nerve. Damn it.
Absolutely.
My life would undoubtedly be easier without, less stress massively by far.. it is incredibly hard and the single most difficult thing I've ever done. If I'd known the exact realities, I wouldn't probably not have had any. But I do and I have ... and I will obviously do my best to be the best parent I can to them and we do have great times too. But it's incredibly draining and a difficult juggling act with horses. But I feel if I gave up the horses I would lose part of who I am. So it's hard to not take it personally when folk suggest, well folk 'get rid of dogs', - basically tough. If that makes sense.
I wasn't going to post again, but this thread struck a nerve. Damn it.
Steady on, ycbm, don't lump all of us parents together. There are lots (most) of us who love, look after and cherish our children, and who do not regret having them!
The catch 22 on this thread is that those of us who chose not to have children did so because we did not want the responsibly of children, and many of us because we don't want to be around children. That means that we can completely understand why parents want to bring their children, because we worked out that's what the situation would be if we had them, and did not want it.
But on the reverse side, most of those who have them seem completely unable to understand why, however well behaved the children may be, the intentionally childless would want adult only yards. Personally, I believe that this is part of nature's defence mechanism. Once you have children, you can't just get rid of them, and mental health depends on maintaining the belief that they are a positive thing. For some parents includes an inability to see why, for many other people, parenting would not have been a positive thing.
I have met two parents in my life who said, and meant it, that they wished they had never had them. They were both very unhappy people..
I wrote that post very carefully so that no-one could write this post! I have not lumped all parents together. Nature needs parents to love their children!
I avoided reading this for a few days because I knew exactly how this would go but work is quiet this afternoon so I took the plunge and you lot haven't disappointed me. People's intolerance for those who have made different life decisions from them are never more apparent than when kids are involved! I must admit I hate the term breeders (and now non-breeders). I believe it originated in the gay community as a derogatory term for straight people and given gay people are quite rightly offended by derogatory terms aimed at them, deliberately creating a derogatory term themselves is hypocritical to say the least.
I don't have kids myself but don't dislike them at all. I don't judge anybody for their decision to have them any more than I judge people who think a cup of tea is appropriate with food (actually I judge them less, hot drinks with meals are just plain wrong). My yard was unofficially kid free (it was just way it had worked out) until my friend got a pony for her son. He was 10 at the time (now 11) so not a young kid and is very polite, helpful, unassuming and unobtrusive. Even at 11, he's never left unsupervised and he adores all the horses and treats them with respect. The only thing I worry about for him is that as the only kid on the yard, he's missing out on the fun we used to have but I think that's true for most horsey kids these days - all their riding (and other activities for that matter) seems so organised and supervised.
One of the other liveries has a 6 month old baby whom she has to bring to the yard sometimes. She tries not to but it's not always possible. I wouldn't dream of making her life more difficult by kicking up a fuss about it and sat with her daughter the other day while she got her horse in as her husband was supposed to be meeting her to take the baby home but had got held up. I would probably have preferred to get the horse, but I think she wanted just the couple of minutes to herself that the walk to the field provided.
The reality is if we're on a livery yard we're always going to have to put up with things other people do that we don't like. A bit of tolerance and understanding on all sides would make it a much nicer experience for everyone.
Part of the reason I don't have kids is I recognise how bloody hard it can be - especially if you're trying to combine it with something as time consuming as horses - so if I can help a parent out now and again I'm happy to.
Excellent post, and well said. I assume the anti parent bigots are also anti homosexuals, as obviously anyone with different life choices is just unbearable. The anti parent lot went way beyond saying they didn't want children on a yard and were totally vile. I am appalled.
And I still maintain that there shouldn't be a problem if people with children go to child friendly yards and those who don't like kids go to child free yards. As long as both yards exist then I really don't see the issue here!
I agreee with this. I just thought the vitriol was way excessive.
Well I certainly didn't and there were some equally vile comments from parents such as "anyone who doesn't like children must be a sociopath".
I don't think either party is guilt free here.
And I still maintain that there shouldn't be a problem if people with children go to child friendly yards and those who don't like kids go to child free yards. As long as both yards exist then I really don't see the issue here!
I avoided reading this for a few days because I knew exactly how this would go but work is quiet this afternoon so I took the plunge and you lot haven't disappointed me. People's intolerance for those who have made different life decisions from them are never more apparent than when kids are involved! I must admit I hate the term breeders (and now non-breeders). I believe it originated in the gay community as a derogatory term for straight people and given gay people are quite rightly offended by derogatory terms aimed at them, deliberately creating a derogatory term themselves is hypocritical to say the least.
I don't have kids myself but don't dislike them at all. I don't judge anybody for their decision to have them any more than I judge people who think a cup of tea is appropriate with food (actually I judge them less, hot drinks with meals are just plain wrong). My yard was unofficially kid free (it was just way it had worked out) until my friend got a pony for her son. He was 10 at the time (now 11) so not a young kid and is very polite, helpful, unassuming and unobtrusive. Even at 11, he's never left unsupervised and he adores all the horses and treats them with respect. The only thing I worry about for him is that as the only kid on the yard, he's missing out on the fun we used to have but I think that's true for most horsey kids these days - all their riding (and other activities for that matter) seems so organised and supervised.
One of the other liveries has a 6 month old baby whom she has to bring to the yard sometimes. She tries not to but it's not always possible. I wouldn't dream of making her life more difficult by kicking up a fuss about it and sat with her daughter the other day while she got her horse in as her husband was supposed to be meeting her to take the baby home but had got held up. I would probably have preferred to get the horse, but I think she wanted just the couple of minutes to herself that the walk to the field provided.
The reality is if we're on a livery yard we're always going to have to put up with things other people do that we don't like. A bit of tolerance and understanding on all sides would make it a much nicer experience for everyone.
Part of the reason I don't have kids is I recognise how bloody hard it can be - especially if you're trying to combine it with something as time consuming as horses - so if I can help a parent out now and again I'm happy to.
Really, did you?
I do try not to respond to your posts but sometimes I can no longer sit on my hands.
I feel incredibly sorry for any children whose parents wish they'd never had them
That said, I find peoples passion for tying their horses up outside their stable to do everything to the horse very strange, especially when it is cold during the winter or hot and full of flies in the summer. I muck out, tack up, brush, pull manes etc all with the horse in its stable which seems far easier to me than listening to them trample about bored and cold or hot and bothered by flies.
Horse tied outside their stables are the biggest danger to child obviously but if you have a young child on the yard you should be aware all the time exactly where they are to avoid the danger.
I on the other hand can’t understand why you haven’t taught your horse to stand quietly whilst tied up? Or have discovered the use of rugs for warmth or fly spray to get rid of flys.That said, I find peoples passion for tying their horses up outside their stable to do everything to the horse very strange, especially when it is cold during the winter or hot and full of flies in the summer. I muck out, tack up, brush, pull manes etc all with the horse in its stable which seems far easier to me than listening to them trample about bored and cold or hot and bothered by flies.
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Talking about people's obsession with quizzing women of a certain age when they don't have children. I am childless and I have no intention of having them, they just aren't my thing. I adore my close friends little ones, but i don't want my own.
A bloke in work has got me a few times and quizzed me quite intensely about why I don't want children. One time was in front of a load of people and another on my own. He has a child and I'm about the same age as his wife, so maybe he finds it weird that I don't want them. Anyway, I answered his questions and didn't think much more of it, then when he left a few of my friends (two who have children and one who doesn't) were absolutely fuming that he questioned me about it and that it was none of his business. I suppose it wasn't, but it didn't bother me really at the time.
However, thinking back, it was a bit rude of him. Its bad manners to ask how much a person earns, but apparently it's perfectly normal to ask a woman when she's going to reproduce. It's a weird world.