How is this vet allowed to conduct themselves like this online?

[Tiddlypom]

Just looked it up and human dentists are also now allowed to use the term Dr as a courtesy title. Every day’s a school day .

Yes, you are able to use the title ‘Dr’ as a courtesy title. However you must make clear the services you are offering and must not imply that you are a medical doctor, unless you are registered with the GMC. It is a good idea to make clear that you are a dentist and not a medical doctor, for example “Dr. A. Smith, Dentist” or “Dr. B. Patel, Dental Surgeon”.

In my family I’ve got the full range of Drs and Mr/Mrs who are medically qualified plus the PhDers that aren’t medical Drs but are titled Dr. Not the slightest bit confusing, of course…

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

To be honest, in my head, if they have access to prescription drugs legally then they are dr - be it dentist, vet, nurse, or really anyone in scrubs for that matter
I'm usually so relieved they can help me that I'd call them lord and lady if they asked me to!

 

[shortstuff99]

I always like to point out that PhD is the original Dr title and medical doctors in the victorian times were hacks and in an effort to legitimise themselves called themselves Dr's. Not bitter about being told I'm not a REAL doctor though

Whom should we really call a “doctor”? - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[teapot]

I always like to point out that PhD is the original Dr title and medical doctors in the victorian times were hacks and in an effort to legitimise themselves called themselves Dr's. Not bitter about being told I'm not a REAL doctor though

Whom should we really call a “doctor”? - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So much so that even one Thomas Barnardo bought his doctor title... (the charity tends to overlook his somewhat dodgy practices )

 

[Fjord]

I can't find the post, can anyone screenshot / link it please?

My two live out, I don't think they care what time they are fed, as long as they get some food/treats/hay or whatever, when the human disturbs them.

As long as they don't actually go hungry, surely it's better to have varied feeding times, otherwise you just end up with horses that stress if you can't get there on time? What about traffic problems, working late or just generally having a life?

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

Facebook

I can't do a link for some reason but it's the post on her page with this image.

 

[meleeka]

I can't find the post, can anyone screenshot / link it please?

My two live out, I don't think they care what time they are fed, as long as they get some food/treats/hay or whatever, when the human disturbs them.

As long as they don't actually go hungry, surely it's better to have varied feeding times, otherwise you just end up with horses that stress if you can't get there on time? What about traffic problems, working late or just generally having a life?

It's on the post with the pic of the horse making a a funny face and the caption "and so winter begins".

 

[Fjord]

It's on the post with the pic of the horse making a a funny face and the caption "and so winter begins".

Thank you!

What a load of b0ll0cks. Surely if you're feeding enough hard feed in one go to really fill them up, you're feeding too much and it should be split? And if they've already waited 24 hours since the last feed, why would another hour make a difference, unless they are so bored they have nothing else to think about?

She seems to dismiss people with horses living out. I feel sorry for hers if they are that institutionalised that exact feed time is so important.

 

[honetpot]

You don't have to be a consultant to be Dr you just need an mbchb/MBBS/ MD. Surgeons change back to Mx when they get their FRCS.

Its an interesting reason. I once worked with a doctor who was a surgical Reg, at the time there was no way he would have got a consultants job in the hospital at the the time but was very experienced and had his own lists, so everyone called him Mr

Why are (male) surgeons still addressed as Mr? - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Cloball]

@honetpot now concerned what people think of an aberdonian degree husband is a barber the history of which does amuse me.

 

[slimjim86]

Thank you!

What a load of b0ll0cks. Surely if you're feeding enough hard feed in one go to really fill them up, you're feeding too much and it should be split? And if they've already waited 24 hours since the last feed, why would another hour make a difference, unless they are so bored they have nothing else to think about?

She seems to dismiss people with horses living out. I feel sorry for hers if they are that institutionalised that exact feed time is so important.

Someone pointed out that theirs live out 24/7 with ad lib hay etc, and got told that still didn't matter, horses need to be fed at the same time each day! and that their hay would also not be good enough!

 

[splashgirl45]

Someone pointed out that theirs live out 24/7 with ad lib hay etc, and got told that still didn't matter, horses need to be fed at the same time each day! and that their hay would also not be good enough!

She really is unbelievable, I agree to feed roughly a similar time each day but not to the minute. I was pretty much on time for the morning feed but if I was out at a show they got their feed once I was home so that could be a couple of hours later than normal that includes the ones who were still at home . So if she is going to a show and needed to leave early how would she deal with that .

 

[rara007]

I can’t imagine if her competing time was feed time she withdraws…!
Mine do literally pretty much just get a bucket of chaff, so maybe she’d let me off.. maybe..! Mine are fed any time from 7am to 4pm, just once a day. Usually 8am-10am but earlier if competing, later if I’m held up at work. The only (mild) colic we’ve had in the last 15+ years with approx 8 at home was after worming the 32yo Shetland once.

 

[splashgirl45]

The only colic I had after over 50 years of horse ownership was when someone threw a load of cut grass over the fence. Luckily it was a mild colic and she lived till she was 35 so I must have been doing something right

 

[Cloball]

What I don't understand is if the gut has hay trickling through it how does it have a clock to say it's 'ready' for hard feed? Surely the 'clock' is the brain and horses perception of time/routine and the release of digestive acid hormones that comes with the expectation. Ergo if there is no expectation there is no stress/hormones/acid etc. Albeit my knowledge is pretty human digestion based. Unless you've just given them a massive feed they haven't properly digested I take it as I'm not a vet I'm clueless?
I've had a colic and the vet/yo/ I aren't really sure the cause. I think it was her love of hoovering yellow oak leaves so now I religiously rake the field.
The other was a yard I worked on when the owner unbeknownst to us came early doors rode and fed his horse several kilo grams of another horses feed (he didn't usually get any) as a reward. I'm not sure the time of day had much to do with that one.

 

[dorsetladette]

Mine get a treat ball at 7am weekdays and when ever I get there at the weekends.

A very old (gypsy) horseman told me you should never feed at the same time everyday as the come to expect it and then any change in routine can cause colic.

As SV is such a high grade competition rider and is aiming her horse for the dizzy heights of top level eventing, you would have thought that she would want to have horses that easily adapted to different routines and environments reading them for stay away's and 3 day events.

 

[honetpot]

What I don't understand is if the gut has hay trickling through it how does it have a clock to say it's 'ready' for hard feed? Surely the 'clock' is the brain and horses perception of time/routine and the release of digestive acid hormones that comes with the expectation. Ergo if there is no expectation there is no stress/hormones/acid etc. Albeit my knowledge is pretty human digestion based. Unless you've just given them a massive feed they haven't properly digested I take it as I'm not a vet I'm clueless?
I've had a colic and the vet/yo/ I aren't really sure the cause. I think it was her love of hoovering yellow oak leaves so now I religiously rake the field.
The other was a yard I worked on when the owner unbeknownst to us came early doors rode and fed his horse several kilo grams of another horses feed (he didn't usually get any) as a reward. I'm not sure the time of day had much to do with that one.

When you are a DIY the signal to be fed is when the owners car turns up, which IME can be 10.30. When they are at home its when the dogs go out and the kitchen light goes on, they get their breakfast before I do if they are in a stable.
Being on a livery yard shows how the dross of the horse world keep their animals, humans are selfish, there is nothing worse than looking in stable where the animal has picked over every clean bit of bedding, if they have straw, just so someone can cut corners or follow some sort of regime that ignores that horses are trickle feeders, and the ones that are food obsessed have usually been on a restricted diet.

 

[paisley]

A very successful and high profile professional rider had a permanent long drive for any event they attended due to location. Horses got loaded up at any time in the morning and their breakfasts tipped into little troughs in front of them so they ate as they travelled. Easily the most relaxed and unstressed horses ever. I imagine SV would have plenty to say about that

 

[meleeka]

As usual SV still hasn't explained why horses need to be fed at the same time each day.

 

[ihatework]

Dredging my brain bank and failing - but I do recall a detailed conversation with sciency equine performance person yonks ago -
there IS an optimum time to be feeding grain, and it’s related to the rate of digestion / blood sugars for optimum energy availability in performance horses.

But given that only relates to high performance horses (which hers aren’t at the moment and neither is the majority of her readership) and is dependant on the time the horse needs the energy (which would then vary and mean feeding not at the same time in some instances).

She is utterly delusional and bonkers.

From a feed value perspective there is no requirement for set timings.

From a psychological side, stress management, fitting in with human routine- there might be, but it is much much easier not to condition your horses to be dependent on a strict routine

 

[Cloball]

Very interesting @ihatework I'm sure it's the same with human athletes/carb loading

 

[Ceifer]

What a loopy thing to suggest.

Similar to @ihatework - performance horses are a different kettle of fish. I’ve travelled horses round Europe as a groom and there’s no way they were fed regimented hard feeds at the same time every day when competing/travelling and nobody died or had any ill effects.

I have also worked on a small livery yard where the owner was insistent on having a strict time for everything and horses were “put to bed” and fed by 5pm. No owners could come up after 5pm and even if you were competing/ out doing something you had to be back before 5pm. Yes it was bonkers and she had 4 liveries who did actually abide by the rules. All of the horses were a nightmare at breakfast and dinner time and would stress if you were late.

 

[JenJ]

Dredging my brain bank and failing - but I do recall a detailed conversation with sciency equine performance person yonks ago -
there IS an optimum time to be feeding grain, and it’s related to the rate of digestion / blood sugars for optimum energy availability in performance horses.

But given that only relates to high performance horses (which hers aren’t at the moment and neither is the majority of her readership) and is dependant on the time the horse needs the energy (which would then vary and mean feeding not at the same time in some instances).

She is utterly delusional and bonkers.

From a feed value perspective there is no requirement for set timings.

From a psychological side, stress management, fitting in with human routine- there might be, but it is much much easier not to condition your horses to be dependent on a strict routine

BUT, you say this conversation was 'yonks ago' - wasn't the thinking yonks ago still along the lines of horses needing grain, whereas now the focus is on a near-constant supply of forage? So even that advice from the same person now may well be different anyway.

 

[lizziebell]

BUT, you say this conversation was 'yonks ago' - wasn't the thinking yonks ago still along the lines of horses needing grain, whereas now the focus is on a near-constant supply of forage? So even that advice from the same person now may well be different anyway.

It’s all about how certain feeds can improve performance, either prior to exercise for stamina or post exercise for muscle recovery, and is still a very valid way to feed particular types of horses. However the timings is based on 30-60minutes either side of exercise and not relevant to the actual time of day (unless SV also has strict routine of what time she rides)

 

[PurpleSpots]

It's just ludicrous, and so far away from how horses live when allowed to express behaviours appropriate to their species.

Their days of grazing, mutual grooming, playing/interacting with herd members, dozing and sleeping, (interspersed with the odd alert response which is hopefully short-lived) ebb and flow in phases through the day, usually in harmony with the turning of our earth which gives rise to ever-changing phases of light and dark (AKA day and night), and often altered by the effects or instances of weather.

They simply don't always eat at 9am, play for half an hour, sleep for an hour, graze for 3 hours, then repeat. PEOPLE often need set times in their day to do things, but horses definitely don't.

The best way to keep horses isn't in accordance with the structure of people's lives, it's in accordance with how they as a species would live naturally, as far as possible.

We're trying to REDUCE the stress in domesticated horses, not maintain it! On almost every level SV seems desperate to resist that.

 

[SpeedyPony]

I was taught not to be too rigid with feed time to reduce stress- when I get there, mine will usually be found grazing/at the haylage (they live out), not waiting impatiently at the gate.
What would she think about introducing extra feeds during the day? Does she start with a teaspoon of feed and work up, or does she accept that they will tolerate an unheralded half scoop of hard feed one morning/lunchtime?

 

[lizziebell]

Interesting to see if the Scottish nutritionist who agreed with SVs Hindgut ulcer post had commented.

 

[Fieldlife]

Dredging my brain bank and failing - but I do recall a detailed conversation with sciency equine performance person yonks ago -
there IS an optimum time to be feeding grain, and it’s related to the rate of digestion / blood sugars for optimum energy availability in performance horses.

But given that only relates to high performance horses (which hers aren’t at the moment and neither is the majority of her readership) and is dependant on the time the horse needs the energy (which would then vary and mean feeding not at the same time in some instances).

She is utterly delusional and bonkers.

From a feed value perspective there is no requirement for set timings.

And today many competition horses are fed a high fibre diet and not grain. I know a number of horses that have made it round Badminton on Alfa A as a main energy and protein source.

Also now we understand how small a horse's stomach is, we know that any large bucket feed is a bad idea, and will be poorly digested. Irrespective of what time of day fed.

I dont think there is any current scientific evidence for bucket feeding at fixed times.

The thinking is now that we can feed non grain / low starch feeds immediately before and during working. And there are benefits of working on a non empty stomach.

The science does show horses produce stomach acid constantly. More in daytime than at night. And horses shouldnt be left too long without a source of forage.

I am not aware of any current nutrition research saying horses with a 24-7 access to a supply of forage should always be fed at the same time of day. And changing time by as little as an hour should be done in stages over a week. I think that is complete nonsense.

 

[cauda equina]

If your horse's diet is mostly fibre and it has ad lib forage, I can't see why would it be a problem if it didn't have its small feeds of something else according to a strict timetable
If the diet is not mostly fibre then you're probably doing it wrong anyway

 

[HBB]

Interesting to see if the Scottish nutritionist who agreed with SVs Hindgut ulcer post had commented.

That is exactly what I was going to ask, I am still very disappointed that she agreed with that post.