How is this vet allowed to conduct themselves like this online?

Ahrena

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That post was particularly infuriating.
If they have a constant supply to forage, I honestly do not see why it matters. What happens when she has to get up early for a show if she’s had to carefully adjusting their feed time by 10 minutes a day all week?

I think surely it’s more of an issue if they get /so/ used to a routine that they stress when the routine isn’t followed? That’s got to be more likely to cause colic. Routine is great if you have staff 365 days a year and can ensure the routine is ALWAYS stuck to. But for the majority of us, that’s not the case and they need to be able to adapt.

I have mine at home. In summer months, I check on them from a distance as soon as I get up and then I go and feed them 30 min-2 hours later. Shock horror, sometimes in summer I have a lie in for a couple of hours. They never fuss for their feed until they see me walking down the track towards them.

I do stick to more of a routine in winter as they’re in and I’m not going to leave them stood in until 10am. I have cameras in my stables so again, I check on them as soon as they wake up. They are perfectly happy eating their hay or sleeping until I come down. Some days that’s 6am, other days it’s 8am. They always have hay and they aren’t remotely fussed about where their feed is until they see me walking down the track.

I have to say, I do think she’s spot on about that earlier post of not jumping horses within weeks of backing. People walk for 6 weeks on a horse that’s had 6 months off but will be w-t-c and jumping a newly backed horse within that timeframe and I just don’t get it. Although she does then start bleating that age classes are fine for ‘professionals’ so slightly ruined it for me there.
 

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Ah, it's been a while... Dictating - sorry, discussing?! - feeding horses at different times of the day - apparently only less than an hour either way occasionally is acceptable or something.

SV: It’s absolutely an issue, yes, unless it’s a tiny handful of feed. A hard feed (unless a bucket of chaff) is very different to hay, and digested differently. Hay also doesn’t fill the stomach like a bucket of hard feed does. A horse also needs correct vitamins and minerals regardless of whether he/she is in work, so feeding should be 365.
It’s extremely rare to see good quality ad lib hay fed 24/7, especially in a field, where it quickly gets wet/muddy and inedible...

SV: It’s not good, or recommended practice. Horses should be fed at the same time every day.

SV: I’m afraid you can’t use a horse’s temperament as a reason/excuse for not feeding a horse at set times every day.

The last in response to someone explaining that their horse got very stressed when she did have a set feed time.

So, overall, tell us you don't feed and manage your horses in a way which supports their natural lifestyle and needs without actually telling us that... And be disparaging about the concept that others do...

In other news, Mabel is apparently 'quite heavy on her front feet'. Now why could that be?!
I can't see that post, does she give a reason? I feed mine once a day as I share checks / haying with the owner of the other horse in the field, that means sometimes I do mornings sometimes afternoons, I can't see how her getting her feed in the morning some days or afternoons others really makes any difference?
Edited to add they are out 24/7 so not stuck with no food at any time.
 

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I can't see that post, does she give a reason? I feed mine once a day as I share checks / haying with the owner of the other horse in the field, that means sometimes I do mornings sometimes afternoons, I can't see how her getting her feed in the morning some days or afternoons others really makes any difference?

Apparently they will all colic and die is the gist I got.
 

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Apparently they will all colic and die is the gist I got.
I found the post finally, I think she's bonkers. I get that a bucket of hard feed fills them up more than hay but how on earth can it be harmful to them if one day their belly is more full in the morning and the next day its more full in the afternoon, as long as its not totally empty in between. Good god some days I have a big lunch and others days my big meal might not be till 8pm, either way all it does to me is make me want a nap lol.
 

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Apparently they will all colic and die is the gist I got.

I've just read the post. I think what she really means is that her own horses have so little enjoyment in their lives that they wait in anticipation for their hard feed and if they don't get it on time, they stress and could end up with colic.
 

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Not that I'm in any way an expert but I'm sure those that do endurance rides feet throughout a ride albeit water/fibre heavy feeds. All.mine gets fed though is chaff/beet/oily herbs/vit mins I can't see how it would effect her gut if she gets it at a slightly different time when she has access to hay/grass all the time?
 

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Gah, whilst stabled horses do naturally fall into some sort of routine (and I don’t think it’s fair say, for a common example, diy horses getting breakfast at 6am weekdays then waiting until 9/10am on weekends)

I deliberately don’t feed horses living out at the same time every day. Last thing I want is them hanging around gates or fence walking getting stressy waiting for food.
 

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She's probably made her groom start an hour earlier 😏
I saw on the comments she’s been adjusting by 10 minutes a day all week.

Again, how does she cope when she has to get up early for a show? Does she feed when she gets there so it’s the ‘right time’? Perhaps not such an issue for show jumping but when you’re eventing and have an 8am dressage, a 2 hour drive and have to walk the xc before your dressage, I have had some extremely anti sociable alarm clocks.
 

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Mine is also only used to the routine, not the time of day. She doesn’t have breakfast, only an evening feed. If I bring her in after a short turn out for whatever reason, she assumes it’s evening and expects a feed 😂🤷🏻‍♀️

She doesn’t colic and die if she doesn’t get one either.
 

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I have to say, I do think she’s spot on about that earlier post of not jumping horses within weeks of backing. People walk for 6 weeks on a horse that’s had 6 months off but will be w-t-c and jumping a newly backed horse within that timeframe and I just don’t get it. Although she does then start bleating that age classes are fine for ‘professionals’ so slightly ruined it for me there.
I also agreed with her jumping post, however she jumped Mabel under saddle after 8 weeks of backing sooooooo bit hypercritical me thinks.
 

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Apparently they will all colic and die is the gist I got.

During the summer we sometimes feed ours at 4 in the afternoon, sometimes 9 at night. I assume they must’ve died at some point and I’m just feeding ghost horses 🤔

When they come in at night in winter they are in a much more strict routine. Those 6 o'clock hungover mucking out mornings are already giving me the fear
 

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Yes, using Dr is now allowed and de rigeur in younger vets. Previously an MVB/BVet wasn't considered a degree that gave you permission to use the title Dr, that changed in 2015 in UK and 2016 in Ireland. I and many others do now use the title - internationally it was an accepted norm, the UK/Ireland was actually the outlier on this one.
 

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My vet is referred to as Dr in some quarters and he does have a PHD but no idea if it is a veterinary related one, could be a doctorate in French poetry for all I know. 🤷‍♀️ I know it is common in USA to refer to a vet as Doctor. Personally if they are a good vet (as mine is) I will curtsy and call them sir/madam if it makes them happy and ensures I get the best treatment possible for my animals. But Shouty Vet? I really don't think so!🤭
 

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Yes, using Dr is now allowed and de rigeur in younger vets. Previously an MVB/BVet wasn't considered a degree that gave you permission to use the title Dr, that changed in 2015 in UK and 2016 in Ireland. I and many others do now use the title - internationally it was an accepted norm, the UK/Ireland was actually the outlier on this one.
Ah, that interesting, I didn’t know that.

OH had to do the hard yards for three years in a chemistry lab at UCL to be able to get the title of Dr after his plain old BSc in Chemistry.
 

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Ah, that interesting, I didn’t know that.

OH had to do the hard yards for three years in a chemistry lab at UCL to be able to get the title of Dr after his plain old BSc in Chemistry.

When you consider the common usage of the title of human medical Dr it's not a hard stretch to use veterinary Dr, in my opinion.
 
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