Hunting is in a spot of bother

[Koweyka]

Different hunts, but both recent.
You can see the ragged fox in frame with the hound, and a close up of the fox.
Reported to sabs by a member of the public as being chased and killed seconds before they got there.

Utterly disgusting and despicable.

I saw someone post earlier that it’s not a common occurrence hounds chasing pets because it’s not reported often, but there are over 300 hunts out 2/3 times a week and many of them never see a sab or a monitor, yet just this week a hunt has attacked a cat and hunted another cat through a building site, I have seen them chase cats, so I think it’s a regular occurrence just not reported.

 

[Millionwords]

Oh and this "trail" within prison grounds... ?

 

[Millionwords]

Another hunt attacking people’s pets, should all be banned from going out.

BREAKING: We've received reports that the Lincolnshire-based Brocklesby Hunt mauled a pet cat, Matrix, yesterday.

Following the attack by the pack of hounds, the cat is currently in a critical condition at a veterinary centre.

More to follow.

His owner has updated on his condition poor thing.

"UPDATE: Extent of the damage, punctured abdomen which they've stitched but worried about infection with it being a bite wound. Dislocated hip, spinal damage. Penile damage but hoping catheterisation will help it heal correctly. He may lose a leg. They're keeping him in to see if he regains feeling back to his leg. My poor baby ?"

 

[Sandstone1]

His owner has updated on his condition poor thing.

"UPDATE: Extent of the damage, punctured abdomen which they've stitched but worried about infection with it being a bite wound. Dislocated hip, spinal damage. Penile damage but hoping catheterisation will help it heal correctly. He may lose a leg. They're keeping him in to see if he regains feeling back to his leg. My poor baby ?"

These are the type of people you are dealing with here. The complete arrogance of hunting people thinking they have the right to kill and injure peoples pets just so they get their jollies. There will be some excuse of course but when things like this happen they are devastating someones life. Their pet maybe all they have but the hunt allows something like this to happen. Pro hunters need not bother replying as you are all now on UI.

 

[Koweyka]

These are the type of people you are dealing with here. The complete arrogance of hunting people thinking they have the right to kill and injure peoples pets just so they get their jollies. There will be some excuse of course but when things like this happen they are devastating someones life. Their pet maybe all they have but the hunt allows something like this to happen. Pro hunters need not bother replying as you are all now on UI.

Absolute miracle he has survived and those injuries sound like he has been ragged ?

I once retrieved a fox that had been killed by hounds and they had twisted her body so much her spine had snapped and her back legs had been turned around the wrong way.

Hunting needs a complete ban, the season hasn’t really got going and foxes and pets are dying, hounds are dying, people’s lives on trains and the roads put at risk, Sabs run over and bombs thrown.

I have already got such damning footage on two hunts that they are to be interviewed under police caution soon.

 

[Millionwords]

These are the type of people you are dealing with here. The complete arrogance of hunting people thinking they have the right to kill and injure peoples pets just so they get their jollies. There will be some excuse of course but when things like this happen they are devastating someones life. Their pet maybe all they have but the hunt allows something like this to happen. Pro hunters need not bother replying as you are all now on UI.

I dont know what UI is, but I think they should reply, I just posted 3 different things from the last couple of weeks, apparently all of these types of incident are rare, but if there are hundreds of hunts, most not sabbed and the ones that are have more incidents such as, police involvement, kills, violence, pet killing, arson (thunderflashes), trespass onto train lines, killed hounds, car collisions, getting into gardens, etc etc etc...then its not uncommon, or unusual, the hunting season has only just got going proper...and there are already more wrongdoing incidents committed by hunts than there are to be found about sabs.

 

[Koweyka]

I dont know what UI is, but I think they should reply, I just posted 3 different things from the last couple of weeks, apparently all of these types of incident are rare, but if there are hundreds of hunts, most not sabbed and the ones that are have more incidents such as, police involvement, kills, violence, pet killing, arson (thunderflashes), trespass onto train lines, killed hounds, car collisions, getting into gardens, etc etc etc...then its not uncommon, or unusual, the hunting season has only just got going proper...and there are already more wrongdoing incidents committed by hunts than there are to be found about sabs.

When I have spoken to other sab groups around the country recently we all feel that the hunts have escalated things this season and are once again acting untouchable.
There are quite a few court cases coming up soon which will hopefully see more hunt convictions which may have a knock on effect and tip the scales more in the foxes favour.

 

[Gallop_Away]

His owner has updated on his condition poor thing.

"UPDATE: Extent of the damage, punctured abdomen which they've stitched but worried about infection with it being a bite wound. Dislocated hip, spinal damage. Penile damage but hoping catheterisation will help it heal correctly. He may lose a leg. They're keeping him in to see if he regains feeling back to his leg. My poor baby ?"

Poor wee baby. That is completely indefensible and shows either a complete lack of control over hounds or complete lack of care. Either should result in that particular hunt being investigated and either severely fined or disbanded. This is not acceptable in any way shape or form!

 

[Sossigpoker]

When I have spoken to other sab groups around the country recently we all feel that the hunts have escalated things this season and are once again acting untouchable.
There are quite a few court cases coming up soon which will hopefully see more hunt convictions which may have a knock on effect and tip the scales more in the foxes favour.

A recent one where someone was convicted of illegal hunting - I think he got a £600 fine. That's an insult.
And he probably did it again the next day .
Law and order and enforcement of those are shameful in this country, and when it comes to animals , the whole country is an insult. Animals are abused , neglected, stolen , tortured, every single day and it seems very little is done about it
Really makes me so sad.

 

[Sossigpoker]

These are the type of people you are dealing with here. The complete arrogance of hunting people thinking they have the right to kill and injure peoples pets just so they get their jollies. There will be some excuse of course but when things like this happen they are devastating someones life. Their pet maybe all they have but the hunt allows something like this to happen. Pro hunters need not bother replying as you are all now on UI.

That UI is a useful function , limits the crap on your screen , doesn't it !

 

[Burnttoast]

Poor wee baby. That is completely indefensible and shows either a complete lack of control over hounds or complete lack of care. Either should result in that particular hunt being investigated and either severely fined or disbanded. This is not acceptable in any way shape or form!

I lost a really wonderful little cat suddenly to cancer a couple of months ago and I can't type this without crying. I can't imagine how I'd feel if she'd suffered the fate of poor Matrix, even if she lived. Capable of doing something very disruptive, I imagine. And not much like listening to justifications for it.

 

[Millionwords]

Tumbleweed from those not against hunting, because how many times can folk say "oh most hunts dont do it, most people in the community condem it" before noone believes you because it goes on and on and on...

 

[Sossigpoker]

Tumbleweed from those not against hunting, because how many times can folk say "oh most hunts dont do it, most people in the community condem it" before noone believes you because it goes on and on and on...

Oh don't you know that if it only happens a bit , it's OK in the name of the greater good that is enjoying ripping animals apart in the name of sport ? (Sarcasm , obviously).

 

[sakura]

I cannot imagine something like that happening to my cat, who is my best little man. It is completely savage, brutal and heart breaking. And it is the fate of all foxes caught by the hounds. I don't see a difference between one animal and another - it is always inexcusable.

 

[Gallop_Away]

I lost a really wonderful little cat suddenly to cancer a couple of months ago and I can't type this without crying. I can't imagine how I'd feel if she'd suffered the fate of poor Matrix, even if she lived. Capable of doing something very disruptive, I imagine. And not much like listening to justifications for it.

Sorry for your loss burnttoast. I have cats myself. I can not imagine something like this happening to them. Heartbreaking doesn't cover it.

 

[suestowford]

I entirely understand your point about hounds being working dogs, but then greyhounds and other sporting dogs, including some gun dogs and possibly pedigree stud dogs share the same legal status; they are all essentially recreational animals but with a specific working or 'sporting' purpose. That is just the law and it would probably be extremely difficult, not to mention a waste of parliamentary time to change that.

It is probably a good thing that cats are increasingly protected as pets in law though there is still a failure to give cat owners a commensurate level of responsibility for their pets activities.

I expect it's also considered a waste of Parliamentary time to look at changing the law on cats as well as working dogs. But the law also takes into consideration that cats and dogs are not the same, even though they are both predators at heart. For instance, I have never yet taught a cat to walk to heel, I mean can you imagine that? It would be sensational! But I think I could manage it with a dog. They just think differently so of course the law has to take that into account.

I do agree with you that there is a certain lack of responsibility amongst some humans who own cats & dogs, and hounds. And it's getting to the point where that IS a problem.

 

[Burnttoast]

Heartbreaking doesn't cover it.

Yes, this is it - which is why people feel that protestations that it's unacceptable from people who in other respects support the existence of hunts ring a bit hollow, because we all know that there will be no consequences for the hunt arising from this incident or others, and that yet another instance will be along in a minute.

 

[Gallop_Away]

Yes, this is it - which is why people feel that protestations that it's unacceptable from people who in other respects support the existence of hunts ring a bit hollow, because we all know that there will be no consequences for the hunt arising from this incident or others, and that yet another instance will be along in a minute.

It really is not good enough. This should not be happening I completely agree and I can not tell you the frustration I feel as someone who supports and loves legal trail hunting, to watch the destruction of my much loved sport be brought about by those who seem to feel they are above the law. I've no doubt the days of trail hunting are numbered and illegal hunting is to blame.

What should be happening in my opinion is that trail hunting should be strictly governed by the hunting office and a strict policy should be applied. Hunts caught trespassing or causing upset to locals etc should be severely fined in the first instance, and immediately disbanded if it continues. Hunts where hounds kill or injure livestock or pets again should be at the very least severely fined, or immediately disbanded in severe cases, and again disbanded if incidents of injury to livestock or pets continues. Hunts that have killed foxes should be immediately suspended from hunting pending investigation and should be severely fined in the first instance of cases where it is found to have been accidental and again disbanded if it happens again, and immediately disbanded if evidence of blatant illegal hunting is found.

Legal hunts that cause no issues such as ours would have nothing to fear. Sadly I'm under no illusion that this will never happen which is a great shame imo. When the end finally comes, we will certainly know who to thank.

 

[SilverLinings]

the quote below is taken from the Devon against hunting FB page. Does anyone know anything about it? Did hounds run onto the road and was one hurt?

Yesterday, 15.11.22, the East Devon Hunt was hunting along the busy 3052 around Hawkerland/Stoneyford/Aylesbeare on Clinton Devon Estate land. As usual they did not follow a trail but were illegally hunting foxes. Their out off control hounds ran onto the busy roads near the former Halfway Inn and caused a serious collision, a hound was hit twice. The injured dog was picked up by hunt members and the witnesses were told that the hound will be brought to the vets. One of the witnesses called all local vets later just to find out that the hound was not brought in.

A colleague of mine who was in the area for work got stuck for quite some time on that road on Tuesday, but she wasn't sure what the cause was (other than being some sort of car accident). I know for a fact though that the East Devon hunt foxes. They are very aware that they need to hide what they are doing, but it isn't too difficult to find out.

 

[palo1]

It really is not good enough. This should not be happening I completely agree and I can not tell you the frustration I feel as someone who supports and loves legal trail hunting, to watch the destruction of my much loved sport be brought about by those who seem to feel they are above the law. I've no doubt the days of trail hunting are numbered and illegal hunting is to blame.

What should be happening in my opinion is that trail hunting should be strictly governed by the hunting office and a strict policy should be applied. Hunts caught trespassing or causing upset to locals etc should be severely fined in the first instance, and immediately disbanded if it continues. Hunts where hounds kill or injure livestock or pets again should be at the very least severely fined, or immediately disbanded in severe cases, and again disbanded if incidents of injury to livestock or pets continues. Hunts that have killed foxes should be immediately suspended from hunting pending investigation and should be severely fined in the first instance of cases where it is found to have been accidental and again disbanded if it happens again, and immediately disbanded if evidence of blatant illegal hunting is found.

Legal hunts that cause no issues such as ours would have nothing to fear. Sadly I'm under no illusion that this will never happen which is a great shame imo. When the end finally comes, we will certainly know who to thank.

I too feel angry and frustrated that the Hunting Office doesn't immediately and seriously discipline hunts that have these incidents. There is no excuse for any of them and I KNOW that it is absolutely and entirely possible for a decent huntsman and his team to keep hounds safely under control. This is demonstrated week after week in location after location. Hunt committees and the Hunting Office need to deal with this kind of thing and ensure that no one is under any illusions as to how unacceptable it is for people to see hounds as a risk to their pets and livestock (not to mention wildlife). These reports are enraging to those of us who want to see hunting continue to be a part of our way of life.

 

[Koweyka]

I too feel angry and frustrated that the Hunting Office doesn't immediately and seriously discipline hunts that have these incidents. There is no excuse for any of them and I KNOW that it is absolutely and entirely possible for a decent huntsman and his team to keep hounds safely under control. This is demonstrated week after week in location after location. Hunt committees and the Hunting Office need to deal with this kind of thing and ensure that no one is under any illusions as to how unacceptable it is for people to see hounds as a risk to their pets and livestock (not to mention wildlife). These reports are enraging to those of us who want to see hunting continue to be a part of our way of life.

Why aren’t all the hunts, riders and supporters that are behaving banging loudly on the door of the new governing body demanding they do something ?

 

[Gallop_Away]

I too feel angry and frustrated that the Hunting Office doesn't immediately and seriously discipline hunts that have these incidents. There is no excuse for any of them and I KNOW that it is absolutely and entirely possible for a decent huntsman and his team to keep hounds safely under control. This is demonstrated week after week in location after location. Hunt committees and the Hunting Office need to deal with this kind of thing and ensure that no one is under any illusions as to how unacceptable it is for people to see hounds as a risk to their pets and livestock (not to mention wildlife). These reports are enraging to those of us who want to see hunting continue to be a part of our way of life.

Hear hear! I watch our master of hounds and whips work hounds flawlessly week in week out with no issues! There is no excuse for these appalling incidents.

 

[palo1]

Why aren’t all the hunts, riders and supporters that are behaving banging loudly on the door of the new governing body demanding they do something ?

Where I am there is a sense of alienation from the Hunting Office as well as a real sense of approbation for huntsmen who can't control their hounds/demonstrate a lack of skill and/or common courtesy. Not all hunts are closely in touch with the Hunting Office (ours isn't) so it's hard to know. I actually don't know anyone at all involved in hunting that doesn't think idiots who can't control their hounds should be sacked immediately and an investigation into incidents actioned. Clearly there is some mis match between that view and action taken. I have no idea why. I do think there is a really growing anger with the new organisation about this - surely at least one of those in charge has some balls?!!

 

[Tiddlypom]

I know for a fact though that the East Devon hunt foxes. They are very aware that they need to hide what they are doing, but it isn't too difficult to find out.

That's very poor. Back in the day as a teenager (long pre ban) I hunted with the East Devon many times. Lots of road work even then...

We pony clubbers were welcomed, but were very much kept in line and were expected to behave at all times.

One of the masters at the time was a judge, as was his wife who also rode with the E.Devon. Lovely family, and I'd have said great respecters of the law and of doing the right thing.

I have sometimes wondered what they make of the self inflicted mess that hunting is in now. Last I heard they were both still alive, but are rather elderly now.

 

[Millionwords]

Where I am there is a sense of alienation from the Hunting Office as well as a real sense of approbation for huntsmen who can't control their hounds/demonstrate a lack of skill and/or common courtesy. Not all hunts are closely in touch with the Hunting Office (ours isn't) so it's hard to know. I actually don't know anyone at all involved in hunting that doesn't think idiots who can't control their hounds should be sacked immediately and an investigation into incidents actioned. Clearly there is some mis match between that view and action taken. I have no idea why. I do think there is a really growing anger with the new organisation about this - surely at least one of those in charge has some balls?!!

Aren't some of those in charge the very same involved in the webinars? ? they're not going to hold their mates and illegal hunters to account when its them who got caught promoting ways to illegally hunt.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Aren't some of those in charge the very same involved in the webinars? ? they're not going to hold their mates and illegal hunters to account when its them who got caught promoting ways to illegally hunt.

Yes.

You only need to look at the name of the newly appointed Hunting Director, who is very well known in *ahem "traditional" hunting circles, and who played a prominent role in the infamous webinars, to know that there was never any intention of genuine reform.

From the Hunting Office news page, dated 29/6/22.

The British Hound Sports Association (BHSA)

We are pleased to announce that following the AGM’s yesterday, both the MFHA and AMHB members approved the plans to move forward with the new single governing body for hunting – the British Hound Sports Association (BHSA). The MFHA and AMHB will step back from the governance of hunting and instead focus on the hound breeding, stud books and regional representation and feedback.

In addition, following an open recruitment process, we are pleased to say that the new Managing Director of the BHSA will be Oliver Hughes, and he will be assisted by Richard Tyacke as Hunting Director.

 

[Koweyka]

Tyacke

Yes.

You only need to look at the name of the newly appointed Hunting Director, who is very well known in *ahem "traditional" hunting circles, and who played a prominent role in the infamous webinars, to know that there was never any intention of genuine reform.

From the Hunting Office news page, dated 29/6/22.

The British Hound Sports Association (BHSA)

We are pleased to announce that following the AGM’s yesterday, both the MFHA and AMHB members approved the plans to move forward with the new single governing body for hunting – the British Hound Sports Association (BHSA). The MFHA and AMHB will step back from the governance of hunting and instead focus on the hound breeding, stud books and regional representation and feedback.

In addition, following an open recruitment process, we are pleased to say that the new Managing Director of the BHSA will be Oliver Hughes, and he will be assisted by Richard Tyacke as Hunting Director.

Tyacke was the Wynnstay ex huntsman and is still very involved, that hunt is up in court at the end of the month charged with two counts of illegal hunting one charge being brought by the police themselves.

It’s akin to Fred West offering landscape services having him in charge of keeping hunting clean.

 

[palo1]

Tyacke


Tyacke was the Wynnstay ex huntsman and is still very involved, that hunt is up in court at the end of the month charged with two counts of illegal hunting one charge being brought by the police themselves.

It’s akin to Fred West offering landscape services having him in charge of keeping hunting clean.

I had heard that Richard Tyacke was more committed to sorting out the mess and that there were hopes that he could persuade the stupid reckless idiots to mend their ways and their manners.

 

[Koweyka]

I had heard that Richard Tyacke was more committed to sorting out the mess and that there were hopes that he could persuade the stupid reckless idiots to mend their ways and their manners.

Wow that’s made me chuckle !

 

[Millionwords]

Two incidents of assault with police involvement by BSV hunt recently

https://www.dorset.live/news/dorset-news/firecracker-thrown-dorset-saboteurs-tempers-7834941