Hunting is in a spot of bother

[Koweyka]

This RA hunt? The huntsman himself fillmed chasing a fox when out hunting?
https://fb.watch/hkLmRawOMm/

The heavily edited footage failed to show the huntsman running two sabs over ….go figure ?

 

[Millionwords]

The heavily edited footage failed to show the huntsman running two sabs over ….go figure ?

Sorry it was a post from sabs or monitors showing him actively pursuing a fox. Rather than just the hounds, the huntsman is close behind and chasing the fox.

The RA hunt care nothing for the law.

 

[Koweyka]

Fantastic to see the Warwickshire Hunt given a Community Protection Notice, about time these criminals were treated as such.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...UYZ6jDgYJL3zGXjKozPxDf6cel&id=241689802622821

 

[Koweyka]

Sorry it was a post from sabs or monitors showing him actively pursuing a fox. Rather than just the hounds, the huntsman is close behind and chasing the fox.

The RA hunt care nothing for the law.

There was a post earlier that was very heavily edited about Sabs turning up for hound exercise, they never showed the footage where the huntsman ran a sab over, actually did a U turn to do it ! They are a vile hunt.

 

[Millionwords]

Fantastic to see the Warwickshire Hunt given a Community Protection Notice, about time these criminals were treated as such.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...UYZ6jDgYJL3zGXjKozPxDf6cel&id=241689802622821

Thats quite something indeed!

I wonder how they will enforce it though. Use of timestamped sab or monitor footage would be very useful for this.

 

[Koweyka]

Thats quite something indeed!

I wonder how they will enforce it though. Use of timestamped sab or monitor footage would be very useful for this.

I am sure that will be readily available!

 

[Tiddlypom]

Goodness, the CPN on the Warwickshire Hunt is big news for hunting. About time. Too many hunts think that they are number one priority traffic and that all others must defer to them.

Screen shots here from Warwickshire Rural Crime Team.

 

[ycbm]

Fantastic to see the Warwickshire Hunt given a Community Protection Notice....

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...UYZ6jDgYJL3zGXjKozPxDf6cel&id=241689802622821

What excellent news.
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[ycbm]

Is it wrong to have a little smile about how annoying the hunt officials will find it to read the hounds called dogs?
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[bluehorse]

Is it wrong to have a little smile about how annoying the hunt officials will find it to read the hounds called dogs?
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I thought that, hilarious!! its about time hunts were held to account by the authorities that are there to protect the general public. Not too much of that going on in my area yet though sadly.

 

[Sossigpoker]

So last year it kicked off at the Avon Vale meet after the Red Lion pub in Lacock. The pub received such a back lash that now they've said that they won't even open until after the hunt has been.
No establishment in the village wants to be associated with these thugs now.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of thugs ??

 

[bluehorse]

So last year it kicked off at the Avon Vale meet after the Red Lion pub in Lacock. The pub received such a back lash that now they've said that they won't even open until after the hunt has been.
No establishment in the village wants to be associated with these thugs now.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of thugs ??

The tide is turning and let’s be honest, we’re not ‘townies’ are we.

 

[Landcruiser]

Can anyone give me an alternative explanation to the two options I have come up with for pack of hounds crossing my fields? Late last month I happened to be in my yard, just back from work where I have my youngster in a small pen rehabbing from ops on both stifles. My two old boys are loose on the yard/turnout off the yard keeping her company. I became aware horses were on high alert and staring west. Before I could take action, I realised the hunt were coming up the road, which runs alongside my 3 acre narrow strip of land. My yard/house is about midway. Exciting but not disastrous, my lot are used to horses passing and the hunt have been by before many times with no real problems.
Anyway, before I knew what was happening the pack of hounds came through a fenced gap in my hedge (thank you, careless driver on ice last winter), and crossed straight over my middle field to the woods behind, just at the end of my arena which is off my turnout, so only 40m or so from the oldsters and in full view of baby horse. At this point it got dangerous, all 3 horses including youngster were turning themselves inside out. Because she was closely contained she was rearing, bucking, charging backwards and forwards..not helped by the huntsmen cantering fast up the tarmac all up one side of our property while the hounds ran all the way up the back in the woods, passing metres from the back of the stables, including hers, in full cry. I was incredibly worried she was going to seriously injure herself. It turned out that the hunt had caused all sorts of havoc that same day, and hounds had crossed other people's land locally including that of a livery yard and a youngstock/training yard. I wrote to the Master and received an apology after the event.


My horses did not eat their nets the night after the hunt came through, and were still deeply unsettled late into the night. I'd say it was 36 hours until they were "back to normal." This is Not OK.

The only two reasons I can think of for a pack of hounds crossing my (and other's) land are 1. A trail was laid over private land without permission ie trespass, or 2. They were hunting a fox. Have I missed any options?

 

[Koweyka]

Can anyone give me an alternative explanation to the two options I have come up with for pack of hounds crossing my fields? Late last month I happened to be in my yard, just back from work where I have my youngster in a small pen rehabbing from ops on both stifles. My two old boys are loose on the yard/turnout off the yard keeping her company. I became aware horses were on high alert and staring west. Before I could take action, I realised the hunt were coming up the road, which runs alongside my 3 acre narrow strip of land. My yard/house is about midway. Exciting but not disastrous, my lot are used to horses passing and the hunt have been by before many times with no real problems.
Anyway, before I knew what was happening the pack of hounds came through a fenced gap in my hedge (thank you, careless driver on ice last winter), and crossed straight over my middle field to the woods behind, just at the end of my arena which is off my turnout, so only 40m or so from the oldsters and in full view of baby horse. At this point it got dangerous, all 3 horses including youngster were turning themselves inside out. Because she was closely contained she was rearing, bucking, charging backwards and forwards..not helped by the huntsmen cantering fast up the tarmac all up one side of our property while the hounds ran all the way up the back in the woods, passing metres from the back of the stables, including hers, in full cry. I was incredibly worried she was going to seriously injure herself. It turned out that the hunt had caused all sorts of havoc that same day, and hounds had crossed other people's land locally including that of a livery yard and a youngstock/training yard. I wrote to the Master and received an apology after the event.


My horses did not eat their nets the night after the hunt came through, and were still deeply unsettled late into the night. I'd say it was 36 hours until they were "back to normal." This is Not OK.

The only two reasons I can think of for a pack of hounds crossing my (and other's) land are 1. A trail was laid over private land without permission ie trespass, or 2. They were hunting a fox. Have I missed any options?

I would be favouring option 2 personally, did the “master” give you an explanation?

Did you report this incident to the police ? Even if there is nothing they can do after the event, the police will mark it as intelligence, our rural crime team welcome all incidents and footage as they say it builds up a picture of the incidents that repeatedly happen and where and in some cases as with the Warwickshire it can help make the hunts accountable for their behaviour.

I hope your horses are ok, one of mine suffered when a similar thing happened to him, he still goes on high alert when the hunt are nearby and this incident happened over 10 years ago.

 

[GoldenWillow]

Can anyone give me an alternative explanation to the two options I have come up with for pack of hounds crossing my fields? Late last month I happened to be in my yard, just back from work where I have my youngster in a small pen rehabbing from ops on both stifles. My two old boys are loose on the yard/turnout off the yard keeping her company. I became aware horses were on high alert and staring west. Before I could take action, I realised the hunt were coming up the road, which runs alongside my 3 acre narrow strip of land. My yard/house is about midway. Exciting but not disastrous, my lot are used to horses passing and the hunt have been by before many times with no real problems.
Anyway, before I knew what was happening the pack of hounds came through a fenced gap in my hedge (thank you, careless driver on ice last winter), and crossed straight over my middle field to the woods behind, just at the end of my arena which is off my turnout, so only 40m or so from the oldsters and in full view of baby horse. At this point it got dangerous, all 3 horses including youngster were turning themselves inside out. Because she was closely contained she was rearing, bucking, charging backwards and forwards..not helped by the huntsmen cantering fast up the tarmac all up one side of our property while the hounds ran all the way up the back in the woods, passing metres from the back of the stables, including hers, in full cry. I was incredibly worried she was going to seriously injure herself. It turned out that the hunt had caused all sorts of havoc that same day, and hounds had crossed other people's land locally including that of a livery yard and a youngstock/training yard. I wrote to the Master and received an apology after the event.


My horses did not eat their nets the night after the hunt came through, and were still deeply unsettled late into the night. I'd say it was 36 hours until they were "back to normal." This is Not OK.

The only two reasons I can think of for a pack of hounds crossing my (and other's) land are 1. A trail was laid over private land without permission ie trespass, or 2. They were hunting a fox. Have I missed any options?

I'd go with 2 as well. I've never had any explanation and only half hearted apologies from the hunt secretary when the hunt has gone through my field which is in a block of around 30 acres that the hunt have expressly got no permission to go on. And it happened time after time. They have lost permission from large landowners to hunt on their land after continually going on land they have been specifically asked not to go on. So like you LC I can only think of 2 reasons and the second one, for our hunt, seems much more likely.

 

[Landcruiser]

I would be favouring option 2 personally, did the “master” give you an explanation?

Did you report this incident to the police ? Even if there is nothing they can do after the event, the police will mark it as intelligence, our rural crime team welcome all incidents and footage as they say it builds up a picture of the incidents that repeatedly happen and where and in some cases as with the Warwickshire it can help make the hunts accountable for their behaviour.

I hope your horses are ok, one of mine suffered when a similar thing happened to him, he still goes on high alert when the hunt are nearby and this incident happened over 10 years ago.

I didn't report it to the police. It was kicking off all over local FB as they went over so much private land and upset so many people and animals. Someone said the police were aware. I didn't report my case as I had no proof and no material damage to show for it. This particular hunt are in court anyway for fox hunting so I guess that's a clue to which option it was.

 

[Landcruiser]

And, no, no explanation offered, just profuse apology.

 

[Miss_Millie]

Can anyone give me an alternative explanation to the two options I have come up with for pack of hounds crossing my fields? Late last month I happened to be in my yard, just back from work where I have my youngster in a small pen rehabbing from ops on both stifles. My two old boys are loose on the yard/turnout off the yard keeping her company. I became aware horses were on high alert and staring west. Before I could take action, I realised the hunt were coming up the road, which runs alongside my 3 acre narrow strip of land. My yard/house is about midway. Exciting but not disastrous, my lot are used to horses passing and the hunt have been by before many times with no real problems.
Anyway, before I knew what was happening the pack of hounds came through a fenced gap in my hedge (thank you, careless driver on ice last winter), and crossed straight over my middle field to the woods behind, just at the end of my arena which is off my turnout, so only 40m or so from the oldsters and in full view of baby horse. At this point it got dangerous, all 3 horses including youngster were turning themselves inside out. Because she was closely contained she was rearing, bucking, charging backwards and forwards..not helped by the huntsmen cantering fast up the tarmac all up one side of our property while the hounds ran all the way up the back in the woods, passing metres from the back of the stables, including hers, in full cry. I was incredibly worried she was going to seriously injure herself. It turned out that the hunt had caused all sorts of havoc that same day, and hounds had crossed other people's land locally including that of a livery yard and a youngstock/training yard. I wrote to the Master and received an apology after the event.


My horses did not eat their nets the night after the hunt came through, and were still deeply unsettled late into the night. I'd say it was 36 hours until they were "back to normal." This is Not OK.

The only two reasons I can think of for a pack of hounds crossing my (and other's) land are 1. A trail was laid over private land without permission ie trespass, or 2. They were hunting a fox. Have I missed any options?

I'm sorry that this happened to you and your horses and having followed this thread from the first post, your story is not an uncommon one. Several people on the forum have had hounds rioting onto their land and last year in the news a lady's horse died when a pack of hounds entered his field. I have no suggestions but I think it's quite obvious that many hunts do not have control of their hounds and/or are hunting fox. Thank god your horses were not injured.

 

[Sossigpoker]

And, no, no explanation offered, just profuse apology.

I'd ask for financial compensation too.
There must be a way of getting through to these thugs

 

[sakura]

The only two reasons I can think of for a pack of hounds crossing my (and other's) land are 1. A trail was laid over private land without permission ie trespass, or 2. They were hunting a fox. Have I missed any options?

I'm so sorry that happened to you. How is your youngster getting on now?

It'll most likely be option #2 and that they were in pursuit of a fox, which will also be why the hunt master did not offer up an explanation.

This is exactly why monitors are needed and why sabs are still very much in action.

 

[Fransurrey]

Can anyone give me an alternative explanation to the two options I have come up with for pack of hounds crossing my fields? Late last month I happened to be in my yard, just back from work where I have my youngster in a small pen rehabbing from ops on both stifles. My two old boys are loose on the yard/turnout off the yard keeping her company. I became aware horses were on high alert and staring west. Before I could take action, I realised the hunt were coming up the road, which runs alongside my 3 acre narrow strip of land. My yard/house is about midway. Exciting but not disastrous, my lot are used to horses passing and the hunt have been by before many times with no real problems.
Anyway, before I knew what was happening the pack of hounds came through a fenced gap in my hedge (thank you, careless driver on ice last winter), and crossed straight over my middle field to the woods behind, just at the end of my arena which is off my turnout, so only 40m or so from the oldsters and in full view of baby horse. At this point it got dangerous, all 3 horses including youngster were turning themselves inside out. Because she was closely contained she was rearing, bucking, charging backwards and forwards..not helped by the huntsmen cantering fast up the tarmac all up one side of our property while the hounds ran all the way up the back in the woods, passing metres from the back of the stables, including hers, in full cry. I was incredibly worried she was going to seriously injure herself. It turned out that the hunt had caused all sorts of havoc that same day, and hounds had crossed other people's land locally including that of a livery yard and a youngstock/training yard. I wrote to the Master and received an apology after the event.


My horses did not eat their nets the night after the hunt came through, and were still deeply unsettled late into the night. I'd say it was 36 hours until they were "back to normal." This is Not OK.

The only two reasons I can think of for a pack of hounds crossing my (and other's) land are 1. A trail was laid over private land without permission ie trespass, or 2. They were hunting a fox. Have I missed any options?

We had similar at my yard, except they'd come quite far off forestry commission land and gone through multiple private paddocks, with dogs (oh so sorry, I mean hounds) running in and out of paddocks with horses in, mine included. I have a mare who is dog-phobic. Luckily (I can't bear watching horses turn themselves inside out) it was a mid-week hunt and I was at work. No apology as far as I'm aware. That was Surrey Union, about 6 years ago.

 

[Sossigpoker]

We had similar at my yard, except they'd come quite far off forestry commission land and gone through multiple private paddocks, with dogs (oh so sorry, I mean hounds) running in and out of paddocks with horses in, mine included. I have a mare who is dog-phobic. Luckily (I can't bear watching horses turn themselves inside out) it was a mid-week hunt and I was at work. No apology as far as I'm aware. That was Surrey Union, about 6 years ago.

How is this supposed to be OK (in their minds?)
Imagine if anyone else lost control of their dogs and they were running wild on your property ? Yet somehow when it's "hounds" (i.e dogs ) it's supposed to be OK?
We've had a fox run across the yard with the pack of dogs behind it - yet none of the scum even apologised for it .

 

[Landcruiser]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. How is your youngster getting on now?

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She's bloomin' fed up but no further excitement since thank goodness. Hounds were due to meet even closer to us yesterday. I wrote to the Master and reiterated that I don't give permission to be on my land and asking for consideration of rehabbing horse when laying trails (!). Thankfully the meet was cancelled due to the ice.

 

[SEL]

@Landcruiser I don't even have gaps in my fencing - they come straight over the top. I'm relieved your injured one was ok.

 

[paddy555]

I wrote to the Master and received an apology after the event.

sorry but not good enough. When it happened to me hounds came over a fence which they demolished onto my land I rang up and got the master out the next day. We walked the boundary and I explained exactly where they couldn't go. In your case I would have asked "precisely why did they go onto my land"
no, I don't want to hear it was an accident, I want to know why? did you lay a trail over my land? (v unlikely) so the choices are you were either after a fox or you can't control your dogs, which is it? how can I be sure it won't happen in the future, why did you canter up the road past my very upset horses? why did you show such little consideration for my horses?

No good in a letter, they can reply with whatever platitudes they like, face to face even if you have to go to the kennels and press for a precise answer to each question.

Since our incident we have made progress. This seems to be the only way ie to get pretty nasty with them and let them get away with nothing. Shouldn't have to of course, we all have a right to peacefully enjoy our horses.

 

[Miss_Millie]

It is interesting reading the comments on that Facebook post by Warwickshire Rural Crime team, how many stories people have to tell of their various run ins with the hunt(s) over the years. These are not 'townies' as pro hunt propaganda like to tell us, but farmers and land owners who have had hounds cross their land without permission, livestock let out onto the roads etc. One lady said she hit a hound which sprung through a hedge out of no-where.

Most stupid comment award goes to this bright spark:

'Horses were used long before cars etc! Leave the countryside and its activities alone!'

 

[saalsk]

My local hunt have been coming through ( not on my land, but passing the other side of fences ) for the past 5-7 years. They always come round before, tell me route and timings etc so I can move various animals ( I have horses and sheep). They are lovely. Haven't seen them this year, nor last year (they leave a card if they come round and I am not in, for me to call for the info) so I assume I am not in their planned route this time. The last 2 years, I have had a small (10-12) pack of hounds with men on foot (6, maybe more, no horses, no followers) with guns, and some quad bikes. No contact with them, but can see them in the distance, as the hounds run riot on my land, quartering and searching my fields, with my horses and sheep in them. The dogs are not hunting the sheep, nor chasing the horses, but as they search the fields, the sheep go mad, the horses run around like loons, and the hounds come onto my yard, scatter chickens, freak out the cats, and the men are 4 or 5 fields away, with no obvious control over them. They have horns - they use them - the dogs seem to do what they want, and actively hunted and chased a fox across my fields, which luckily (for me - not the fox) meant they then left my land. The men never set foot on my land. I contacted the hunt - it wasn't them ( I never thought it was ) and said that they knew who it was and would talk to them. I talked to the police - the men were not on my land, so no trespass, I couldn't name/identify any of them, so no go there either, and as the dogs didn't touch any of my animals, that wasn't a crime either. I asked about dogs being out of control, and they told me that hunt dogs were different, so seeing as none of my animals were hurt, why was I complaining ? I pointed out that 3 of my sheep are elderly (10 year old pet lawnmowers), 4 were pregnant, and they said if I had any vet bills I would need to take up a civil law action with the people....that I have no idea of the names of.... Nice. I know these people have nothing to do with the local hunt, but they are not doing anyone any favours. Out of control hunting, be it real disguised at trail, or simply not bothering to hide their intentions, are turning the people that would have maybe supported legal hunting or at least not be totally anti it, against them. The local proper hunts around here ( south west wales) have a pretty good reputation generally, unlike those in the north. I can see it being ended totally at this rate

 

[Chianti]

If anyone wants to see the mentality of hunt supporters they might like to look at the Facebook page of the North London Hunt Saboteurs. Video of one of the sabs being racially abused by the hunt master and his friends ' I didn't know there was a zoo round here'. Ref to Bob Marley. I don't know how to attach it but it's pretty bad and I think shows what they really are.

 

[Sossigpoker]

This one?
Not even surprised by the depths the knuckle draggers sink to.
https://fb.watch/hwBF0PGtRi/

 

[Koweyka]

This one?
Not even surprised by the depths the knuckle draggers sink to.
https://fb.watch/hwBF0PGtRi/

They are disgusting cretins.