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Is it? It might be for you, it certainly wont be for everyone.
I'm not defending their use of language, but remember that a lot of people actually don't know what the original usage/ meaning of that word is. I honestly only know because of this forum, although it's not a word I would ever have used anyway. But I'm assuming from their responses that the posters you are addressing don't actually understand what you're calling them out for.
 

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People are upset because cretin used to be used to be derogatory to neuro divergent people in the same way as sp*z or m*ng etc.

It was not my intention to offend people in that way, I haven’t actually heard of that word being used in that context, only the more modern way of describing them as I have mentioned before.
 

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It was not my intention to offend people in that way, I haven’t actually heard of that word being used in that context, only the more modern way of describing them as I have mentioned before.

I find it very sad that you and a few others on this particularly boring and monotonous thread, actually need to, or find pleasure in calling other members of HHO names of any kind, regardless of whether your level of education allows you to understand the meaning of the words you so frequently use.

Reading through your numerous comments it does seem it is very much your intention to offend or upset other users. Bullying and intimidation comes in many guises.
 

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there is a request on my FB from someone whose son and 7m pregnant partner pulled in to let the hunt pass and the huntsmam whipped theor windscreen and smashed it. They are requesting witnesses. I think it is Great Torrington area. Anyone know any more about this?

Would this be the Torrington Farmers Hunt? They are known to be quite aggressive, but how stupid to attack someone's car, pulled over to let them pass.

Hunts in Devon & Cornwall do seem to do as they like. Peninsula mentality maybe, or just arrogance. That's how it seems anyway.
 

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I find it very sad that you and a few others on this particularly boring and monotonous thread, actually need to, or find pleasure in calling other members of HHO names of any kind, regardless of whether your level of education allows you to understand the meaning of the words you so frequently use.

Reading through your numerous comments it does seem it is very much your intention to offend or upset other users. Bullying and intimidation comes in many guises.

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Crikey ….can I say Crikey they are all coming out of the woodwork now, never mind the racism and the veiled slurs on mine and others “level of education” the “c” word is now commonly used as a term for stupid and ignorant people in modern language. That was the inference for the people racially abusing a man. No condemnation by some about that.

Desperate times it seems, if this is the best you can come up with, to deflect the thread when I have explained my point of verbal references then crack on.
 

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I didn’t use the C word, but I also didn’t know of its historic meaning. I certainly didn’t mean to be ableist, I never would by intention. Because I didn’t know of it’s meaning, I considered the racist language to be worse. I am wrong by ignorance, and I am sorry for that. I do, however, believe this is now taking away from the despicable behaviour shown in the video all of this stemmed from, which deserves to be called out and talked about. I don’t believe calling out racism is ever boring or monotonous.

I don’t know if I’m one of the posters others are referencing, but I don’t believe I have ever used personal insults on this thread.
 

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Would this be the Torrington Farmers Hunt? They are known to be quite aggressive, but how stupid to attack someone's car, pulled over to let them pass.

Hunts in Devon & Cornwall do seem to do as they like. Peninsula mentality maybe, or just arrogance. That's how it seems anyway.

yes Torrington farmers. I think they may be more arrogant as there is more open land and more possibly older established farmers who have always supported them. I did notice with ours yesterday that one farm they used to ride over extensively was no longer ridden on. (change of farmer) Even the huntsman didn't ride over nor hounds. That is great as every farm they no longer ride over is one more bit of restriction.
 

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I didn’t use the C word, but I also didn’t know of its historic meaning. I certainly didn’t mean to be ableist, I never would by intention. Because I didn’t know of it’s meaning, I considered the racist language to be worse. I am wrong by ignorance, and I am sorry for that. I do, however, believe this is now taking away from the despicable behaviour shown in the video all of this stemmed from, which deserves to be called out and talked about. I don’t believe calling out racism is ever boring or monotonous.

I don’t know if I’m one of the posters others are referencing, but I don’t believe I have ever used personal insults on this thread.
This is exactly how I feel, I used the word but not in the context of the old ableist meaning, that I actually had never heard of, I had to look it up. Sorry my state school education was not up to scratch . It’s a word I see and hear commonly used and have been called it many times by hunty folk

Also I am the mother of a disabled son, so before people jumped on me they way they did, maybe actually point it out in a reasonable manner. I find that incredibly presumptuous and ignorant behaviour.

I am on the receiving end of many veiled and not so veiled insults….queue the we never see it brigade, but I have and so have others. I will always defend myself and if some don’t like that fact then hit the UI button.
 

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I was just going to wade in and agree that cretin is a term that was formerly (certainly in my schooldays) used commonly in playground spats but is now seen to be very inappropriate, but I see that Koweyka has now explained herself.

Gave a wry smile at this thread being dismissed as 'boring and monotonous' by an experienced hunting person, seeing as it details how hunting is imploding and destroying itself but with numerous suggestions from many, including the OP (me), as to how it could still try and save itself.

Dismiss it at your peril - ignoring the self inflicted own goals is just hastening the end.
 

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I don't understand your question SB, can you give some more detail?
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That, like the monarchy, we can only carry on doing what we do with animals if the rest of the country finds it acceptable. Individual freedoms cannot trump that, though so many like to think that they do. I know SL is a recent concept but if we don't get with it we're on a slippery slope to being toast.
 

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That, like the monarchy, we can only carry on doing what we do with animals if the rest of the country finds it acceptable. Individual freedoms cannot trump that, though so many like to think that they do. I know SL is a recent concept but if we don't get with it we're on a slippery slope to being toast.

I still don't understand. Were the people phoning in saying we shouldn't be riding horses, or that people shouldn't be riding them to follow hounds chasing a wild animal, or that Boxing Day meets of legal trail hunts shouldn't be crowding out their local pub and the local roads?

Not having heard the broadcast/phone-in you're talking about it's difficult to get the gist of what you mean.
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I still don't understand. Were the people phoning in saying we shouldn't be riding horses, or that people shouldn't be riding them to follow hounds chasing a wild animal, or that Boxing Day meets of legal trail hunts shouldn't be crowding out their local pub and the local roads?

Not having heard the broadcast/phone-in you're talking about it's difficult to get the gist of what you mean.
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Or maybe that we shouldn't be hunting wild animals full stop? It's just that we're equestrians and we mostly hunt because it's fun riding.

It's actually more a comment on the whole thread, the activity of hunting as a whole, which is mostly equestrian. There were many different perspectives, you can find the broadcasts on Global player if you'd like to listen, Matthew Wright and Sangita Myska on Xmas Eve.
 

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Or maybe that we shouldn't be hunting wild animals full stop? It's just that we're equestrians and we mostly hunt because it's fun riding.

It's actually more a comment on the whole thread, the activity of hunting as a whole, which is mostly equestrian. There were many different perspectives, you can find the broadcasts on Global player if you'd like to listen, Matthew Wright and Sangita Myska on Xmas Eve.

SB I still don't understand what point you are trying to make with this comment, sorry.

At least two phone ins on LBC yesterday. What is it with equestrianism and social licence? Why do so few understand the concept?!
 

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Or maybe that we shouldn't be hunting wild animals full stop? It's just that we're equestrians and we mostly hunt because it's fun riding.

It's actually more a comment on the whole thread, the activity of hunting as a whole, which is mostly equestrian. There were many different perspectives, you can find the broadcasts on Global player if you'd like to listen, Matthew Wright and Sangita Myska on Xmas Eve.

I think most anti hunt folk agree with your inital statement in this quote,

But without context of what callers to the program were saying or what the call in was about, the rest doesn't mean anything to anyone who didn't hear it.

Do you have a link to it so we can listen?
 

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Has no-one heard of a rhetorical question...and I did put above where you can hear the broadcasts. I should have separated my comment about LBC from my questions, they are not directly related, but obviously on the same topic. Not sure what else to say!
 

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Has no-one heard of a rhetorical question...and I did put above where you can hear the broadcasts. I should have separated my comment about LBC from my questions, they are not directly related, but obviously on the same topic. Not sure what else to say!
Of course we have, but both statements were made with the assumption that we undersood the context. Which noone apart from you does.

I tried to search on Google podcasts but cannot find what you are referring to as I don't know what it is and again the statement assumes some prior knowledge of the program.

ycIts quite hard to understand what you don't understand about @ycbm or my confusion/questions? When we're actively trying to understand what you're referring to...
 

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Labour have announced their plan to effectively ban trail hunting. Given their current likelihood of potentially winning the next GE, that seems an important thing to discuss on this thread.

alternatively given their likelihood of creating even more chaos. Who was the PM who pushed through the original hunting ban so efficiently. TB and labour come to mind. As it does seem likely labour will win the next GE I can see this promises to be a very long and timeless thread. :)
 

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Has no-one heard of a rhetorical question...and I did put above where you can hear the broadcasts. I should have separated my comment about LBC from my questions, they are not directly related, but obviously on the same topic. Not sure what else to say!

OK these are the possible things I am guessing that you could mean by "What is it with equestrianism and social licence? Why do so few understand the concept?!" on a hunting thread.

Please tick all which apply.

1. Do hunting people not understand that they need social licence in order to carry on hunting, and why aren't they acting on that?

2. Do people not reallse that we all need social licence to continue to carry out legal activities in public, so they should cut equestrians/hunting folk some slack.

3. Why don't more people who have horses understand that social licence is required for them to be able to continue to do so in future, and why aren't they acting on that?

4. Why is there so much social licence towards the use/abuse of horses in equestrianism?

5. None of the above.


If 1 and/or 3, what would you like to see change?
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OK these are the possible things I am guessing that you could mean by "What is it with equestrianism and social licence? Why do so few understand the concept?!" on a hunting thread.

Please tick all which apply.

1. Do hunting people not understand that they need social licence in order to carry on hunting, and why aren't they acting on that?

2. Do people not reallse that we all need social licence to continue to carry out legal activities in public, so they should cut equestrians/hunting folk some slack.

3. Why don't more people who have horses understand that social licence is required for them to be able to continue to do so in future, and why aren't they acting on that?

4. Why is there so much social licence towards the use/abuse of horses in equestrianism?

5. None of the above.


If 1 and/or 3, what would you like to see change?
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Wow. It was a rhetorical question, we could spend hours on this topic, and in essence the whole thread is about it. Cutting some slack is NOT what I mean though, for sure. Social licence is granted by the population at large, it's like trying to hold back the tides.

My point was simply that they spent two whole hours on LBC on this topic, that it's in the news, it was nothing about what was said on these programmes. I shall make sure I type at more length next time. There is no context, the context is this thread - my comment on social licence was a general one and not sure what else I can say to clarify it.

Broadcasts not podcasts, radio shows.

https://www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/uk/
 

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alternatively given their likelihood of creating even more chaos. Who was the PM who pushed through the original hunting ban so efficiently. TB and labour come to mind. As it does seem likely labour will win the next GE I can see this promises to be a very long and timeless thread. :)

The thread will continue as long as hunts continue to actively hunt and kill foxes with hounds ??‍♀️
 

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Wow. It was a rhetorical question, we could spend hours on this topic, and in essence the whole thread is about it. Cutting some slack is NOT what I mean though, for sure. Social licence is granted by the population at large, it's like trying to hold back the tides.

My point was simply that they spent two whole hours on LBC on this topic, that it's in the news, it was nothing about what was said on these programmes. I shall make sure I type at more length next time. There is no context, the context is this thread - my comment on social licence was a general one and not sure what else I can say to clarify it.

Broadcasts not podcasts, radio shows.

https://www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/uk/
Oh right, rhetorical questions about attitudes expressed on a broadcast only really work if the folk posed the question have also heard said broadcast.

I might have a listen later.
 

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Gave a wry smile at this thread being dismissed as 'boring and monotonous' by an experienced hunting person, seeing as it details how hunting is imploding and destroying itself but with numerous suggestions from many, including the OP (me), as to how it could still try and save itself.

Dismiss it at your peril - ignoring the self inflicted own goals is just hastening the end.

Catching up with a friend today I found out that our hunt has now lost four more farms permission to use their land as they went through stock gathered near the farms. They sent the stock through fences and some into a river. I believe but am not 100% sure the stock had been gathered there since at least the previous day so they either laid a trail right through stock or were not trail hunting.

For all hunts that are trail hunting hunts like ours are doing nothing to help the survival of hunting.
 

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my comment on social licence was a general one and not sure what else I can say to clarify it.

The clarification I was looking for was to understand whether you believe that the hunts need to take more notice of the fact that they require social licence in order to carry on (agreed), or that there should be more social licence from people towards legal trail hunting (very selectively agreed), or both.
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