Hunting is in a spot of bother
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mariew
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Feels like a bit of a witch-hunt to me. Hopefully it will make her think properly about making sure she does not break the law from a hunt point of view. But she should know that anyway.
SilverLinings
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At the very least the British Police appear to have a serious inability to understand how they and their actions are perceived by the public. Some of the incidents that have come to light on the Sarah Everard thread and now this story about the (apparently illegally*) hunting PC being appointed a rural crime officer shows a massive lack of self awareness. At least, I hope it is poor self-awareness and not that the Police as an organisation don't think the public's concerns about (or impressions of) the force are of any importance.
After all the awful stuff that has been made public over the last year or two about the behaviour of individual police officers as well as whole forces I am amazed that they don't take far more care when making appointments and checking up on serving officer's backgrounds. Things like this will hardly help to restore the public's confidence in the Police. FWIW I am aware not all officers/staff are badly behaved in any way, but there appears to be an institutional problem that doesn't encourage the rooting out of bad eggs.
*assuming the reported information is correct and she rode with the hunt when they were acting illegally by e.g. fox hunting/blocking badger sets/digging out foxes/etc, or remained a paid-up member knowing this is what they were doing (even if she wasn't in the field on the day)
After all the awful stuff that has been made public over the last year or two about the behaviour of individual police officers as well as whole forces I am amazed that they don't take far more care when making appointments and checking up on serving officer's backgrounds. Things like this will hardly help to restore the public's confidence in the Police. FWIW I am aware not all officers/staff are badly behaved in any way, but there appears to be an institutional problem that doesn't encourage the rooting out of bad eggs.
*assuming the reported information is correct and she rode with the hunt when they were acting illegally by e.g. fox hunting/blocking badger sets/digging out foxes/etc, or remained a paid-up member knowing this is what they were doing (even if she wasn't in the field on the day)
ycbm
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Fred66
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Unless anyone can confirm that they are privy to knowledge that this officer was involved in any illegal act, had knowledge of any illegal act and failed to report it, or acted with any level of impropriety then this is the social media witch-hunt / cancel culture at its best.
She presumably has a strong interest in rural matters, and is likely to have a better idea than most of the issues faced by those living in rural areas. As far as hunting goes then she could be ideally placed to ensure that the hunts cleans up their act both. You can’t please all the people all the time so she is bound to have some who feel it inappropriate but personally I think she should be given a chance to prove herself.
She presumably has a strong interest in rural matters, and is likely to have a better idea than most of the issues faced by those living in rural areas. As far as hunting goes then she could be ideally placed to ensure that the hunts cleans up their act both. You can’t please all the people all the time so she is bound to have some who feel it inappropriate but personally I think she should be given a chance to prove herself.
ycbm
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I don't agree. It's a key function of a Rural Crime Police Officer to investigate claims that a hunt is hunting illegally. A subscriber to that hunt can't, or shouldn't, be involved in those investigations because that would automatically mean socialising and being friends with the people they would need to investigate.
That's just standard conflict of interest practice.
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Sossigpoker
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The Avon Vale are absolutely notorious around here , there is no way you wouldn't know what they're up to , they've not even tried to hide it. She 100% will have known that she was taking part in illegal hunting.
She also "investigated " the Beaufort for illegal hunting- while riding with them.
Clodagh
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FHS the cctv if hounds killing a fox in Norfolk. Even if you accept hounds had rioted onto the line why can’t the hunts just man up and deal?
If my dog killed something in someone’s garden and left blood everywhere, and bits of innards, (wouldn’t happen, but you know, if) I’d at least clear it up properly and grovel profusely to the home owners.
Mind you when my neighbours cat killed my chickens and left feathers and blood everywhere she didn’t apologise. But you should. It’s part of being an adult.
If my dog killed something in someone’s garden and left blood everywhere, and bits of innards, (wouldn’t happen, but you know, if) I’d at least clear it up properly and grovel profusely to the home owners.
Mind you when my neighbours cat killed my chickens and left feathers and blood everywhere she didn’t apologise. But you should. It’s part of being an adult.
Koweyka
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Koweyka
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Norfolk/Suffolk Hunt Saboteurs
In the infamous leaked webinar from the Hunting Office, Trail Hunting - by their own admission - is a “Smokescreen” for illegal hunting. This law breaking has been evidenced once again in a...
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Koweyka
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This is why the whole sham of trail hunting needs ending immediately, that fox desperately trying to hide is dreadful to watch.
A hunt supporter told me how disgusted the hunting community are with the Avon Vale and then followed up with it happens at 90% of the hunts they just got caught.
A hunt supporter told me how disgusted the hunting community are with the Avon Vale and then followed up with it happens at 90% of the hunts they just got caught.
SilverLinings
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I had thought that the future of trail hunting was on thin ice, but with the number of incidents in the news lately of hunts either indulging in clearly illegal activities or behaving badly and arrogantly when 'accidents' happen sadly I think that it is very likely it won't last beyond the next general election.
I don't want LEGAL trail hunting to disappear, and I would ride with a trail hunt if I could find one locally who weren't actually breaking any laws and/or upsetting the locals by trespassing, but the consistently appalling behaviour of some of the hunts means that I think large numbers of the general public will now tar all hunts with the same brush. The arrogant responses by some 'fox' hunters means that the general public are also unlikely to have much sympathy for arguments for the preservation of tradition through lawful trail hunting, even if the hunting fraternity all promise to obey the law from now on.
If all hunts can't ensure they won't unlawfully kill animals, trespass, block roads and destroy others' property then I can't see how trail hunting can continue under it's present guise. It is a true example of one (or a few in this case) bad apple spoiling the barrel.
Miss_Millie
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What an utter sh**show.
Seems awfully common that hounds are breaking into people's private gardens these days. A very scary thought to me as someone with multiple small animals on my property. I once had *one* small dog break into my garden, thankfully all of my animals were indoors due to the time of day, it was a real heart-in-mouth moment when I caught sight of it.
Can any of these hunts actually control their hounds? Should a literal pack of dogs be let loose in this day and age, in our overpopulated country? It isn't the 18th Century anymore fgs.
Millionwords
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Given what you've said I cannot bear to watch this. More criminality. More disregard for other peoples property, other people, the law, the life of an animal. More police investigations.
Norfolk/Suffolk Hunt Saboteurs
In the infamous leaked webinar from the Hunting Office, Trail Hunting - by their own admission - is a “Smokescreen” for illegal hunting. This law breaking has been evidenced once again in a...
All for kicks.
Appalling.
Koweyka
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It’s extremely upsetting to watch, the fear and pain it would have suffered, absolutely horrendous….I hope it’s another nail in the ever tightening coffin of trail hunt lies.
sakura
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I won’t watch that, thanks for the warning. I cannot bear to watch any living being in fear and pain. I am beyond tired of this happening.
Fred66
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It is probably actually a relatively low level part of their job rather than key. It would also put her in an ideal position to help bring to justice anyone who is illegally hunting.
I would imagine that she had declared her hobby and that if an actual investigation is required she would not be the investigating officer.
Burnttoast
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These people are just beyond contempt. Shameless, conniving, cowardly, and treating members of the public in such a way guaranteed to make those people hate them. I cannot wait to see them unable to get their kicks.Norfolk/Suffolk Hunt Saboteurs
In the infamous leaked webinar from the Hunting Office, Trail Hunting - by their own admission - is a “Smokescreen” for illegal hunting. This law breaking has been evidenced once again in a...
Sossigpoker
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Well you're wrong there since even after the Lacock cock-up Wiltshire plod still don't ask their hunt memberships. This is a force in special measures due to wide spread failures- lack of trust fron the public because of the rampant bias and corruption being just one of them.
suestowford
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Under no circumstances is it OK for hounds to break in to a private garden. If they were under control of the hunt staff, then why did they allow this? If they were not under control then the hunt should hang their heads in shame. I don't suppose they would though.
Fred66
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You know for a fact that she didn’t declare her membership?
You are aware that she is actively an investigating officer into misdemeanours by the hunt ?
If not then you cannot say I am wrong with any level of factual assurance, you can certainly express doubts as to whether any perceived conflict will be managed in the correct manner.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
The BBC is finally finding its balls and reporting negatively on hunting when the situation merits it. ITV still leads the way, but at least the beeb is stirring.
Hunt hounds caught 'marauding' through private garden https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-64744461
The BBC has approached the Duke of Beaufort's Hunt for comment.
Hunt hounds caught 'marauding' through private garden https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-64744461
The BBC has approached the Duke of Beaufort's Hunt for comment.
Sossigpoker
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I know for a fact she didn't declare it as Wiltshire police have confirmed they (still) don't ask their officer
It is w widely known fact that she "investigated " the Beaufort while being a member- her name is on their supporters club dressage day entry sheet.
Keep trying , there's no way denying the blatant bias and corruption within Wiltshire Police .
There will be a demonstration at Crime Central (some call it HQ) on Saturday that hopefully national media will cover.
This failing force is already in special measures and monitored by the inspectorate- yet they keep shooting themselves in the foot.
Only today one of their officers turned out to have far right imagery on his public Facebook profile
You couldn't even make this shit up.
Millionwords
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BBC have also picked up on the WRCT officer
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-64730252
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-64730252
Landcruiser
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Indeed. We had the VWH hounds through our back garden a few years ago, as well as the recent incident when they crossed my fields next to my yard. On another occasion, my son, who was about 12 at the time, was out walking in the woods behind us with our then 2 dogs. He came home quite shaken saying he had suddenly found himself surrounded by a pack of (VWH) foxhounds. Thankfully no damage was done, but he was properly shaken, because he was perfectly well aware of what might have happened to our dogs had the foxhounds set on them. I still shudder at the memory.
The hounds passed close by the back my property just 2 days ago, with the huntsman cantering up the road on the otherside. My two older horses have yet again been spooked and unsettled - thankfully my youngster is at a rehab yard now so no further drama with her this time. Honestly, living here, it's the bane of my life in the hunt season, and why the hell should I have to put up with it!?
Parrotperson
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You shouldn’t Land Cruiser.
Gone are the days when hunts had free rein (excuse pun) and dud what they liked. Or at least they should be gone.
Time it was banned completely as they can’t be trusted and don’t worry about breaking the law at all. And I speak as someone who has worked in hunting.
Gone are the days when hunts had free rein (excuse pun) and dud what they liked. Or at least they should be gone.
Time it was banned completely as they can’t be trusted and don’t worry about breaking the law at all. And I speak as someone who has worked in hunting.
Koweyka
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It needs lots of locals contacting the police and complaining about the impact they are having on your ability to lead a peaceful life. If enough locals complain, the police can possibly look at issuing a community protection order, that’s something our local police are actively pursuing.
lizziebell
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Unfortunately, when your local rural crime team consists of officers who are members of the hunt, any complaints tend to fall on deaf ears !
Koweyka
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