Hunting is in a spot of bother

Anyone who stalks deer, for instance, will carry a large knife. Those ones suggested do not look like they were chosen with knife crime in mind
 
Landcruiser said:
I'm already getting stressed about the fact that the VWH are meeting within a mile of my property on 1st Feb. Their meet in November caused utter chaos locally, including when hounds crossed my land close to my yard, then passed the back of my stables in full cry - while my injured, rehabbing 3 yr old climbed the walls and went hysterical inside. Just why are these people allowed to tear around causing mayhem, damaging property, and causing stress and injury to humans, stock and wildlife? I feel that the non horsey public tar us all with the same brush (as has been discussed on on this thread). The antagonism from motorists that I/many of us experience is, I am sure, exacerbated by the idea that we are all rich entitled tw@ts toffs running around wherever we want to instead of staying in our own box.
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They are meeting in the area tomorrow, not as close as on 01st, but I don’t know which way they are heading.
 
I was told yesterday that the car that had its windscreen smashed in Torrington was not someone who pulled aside to let the hunt past but had in fact deliberately driven into the pack of hounds.
 
Or maybe the car driver drove round a blind corner and found hounds all over the road and couldn't stop in time? So driving carelessly but not deliberately at hounds?

Quite possibly the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Hounds all over the road is still far too common hereabouts, which is why I mention that. All too often I've had to flag down traffic myself as the hunt don't care.
 
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Before I moved to where I live now, I constantly had a problem with hounds when the hunt were out. They’d swarm the road and jump down or out from hedges in front of my car (and on one occasion my horse). I absolutely hated it and was so scared I’d accidentally hurt one. Thankfully, I don’t have to encounter a hunt anymore
 
Tiddlypom said:
Or maybe the car drove round a blind corner and found hounds all over the road and couldn't stop in time? So driving carelessly but not deliberately at hounds?

Quite possibly the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Hounds all over the road is still far too common hereabouts, which is why I mention that. All too often I've had to flag down traffic myself as the hunt don't care.
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Thats my experience too ! I am still confused as to why an earth you risk laying a scent trial over, on, or anywhere near a road if you value the welfare of your hounds and horses. We never get the local drag hunts on roads, and the rare occasion they do, they have a manned crossing point.
 
lizziebell said:
Thats my experience too ! I am still confused as to why an earth you risk laying a scent trial over, on, or anywhere near a road if you value the welfare of your hounds and horses. We never get the local drag hunts on roads, and the rare occasion they do, they have a manned crossing point.
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Probably because they didn't lay a scent at all and are hunting fox.
 
mariew said:
To be fair on rural roads you can meet anything around a blind corner and need to drive like you might.
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Absolutely - you must always be able to stop within your sightline. Never presume that the road is clear round that blind bend, there could be a party of walkers, a broken down lorry, or any other obstacle.

I live in between two blind bends on a narrow NSL country lane, and the number of vehicles that fly round on the wrong side of the road is terrifying ?. I was nearly run into from behind by a driving school car on one, when horse and me were hi vizzed up as per my avatar.
 
lizziebell said:
Thats my experience too ! I am still confused as to why an earth you risk laying a scent trial over, on, or anywhere near a road if you value the welfare of your hounds and horses. We never get the local drag hunts on roads, and the rare occasion they do, they have a manned crossing point.
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We had them on the road in the dark tonight.
 
Hunt was round my way all day winding up all the animals. They disappeared by about 3.30, or so I thought.
Back again around 5.30 looking for their lost dogs, lots of shouting & hunting horns sounding, winding up the animals that had finally calmed down ???
 
Tiddlypom said:
ITV's correspondent Rupert Evelyn makes very valid points, which pretty much sum up what many of us who are opposed to illegal hunting have been saying repeatedly on this thread ?‍♀️.

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6. Use an artificial scent that smells nothing like a fox or any other mammal.
 
Tiddlypom said:
ITV's correspondent Rupert Evelyn makes very valid points, which pretty much sum up what many of us who are opposed to illegal hunting have been saying repeatedly on this thread ?‍♀️.

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A handful of the (many) replies sum up most of what’s been said over this thread:
 

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PurBee said:
Unsure if this has been posted elsewhere on the forum, i had a look and couldnt find anything - Scotland tightening-up hunting laws limiting dog numbers and banning trail hunting. Theyre in final stages of bill proposals:

https://brodies.com/insights/land-a...-using-dogs-and-prohibition-on-trail-hunting/
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The ban on trail hunting is only a ban on using animal based scent, according to that article.

What have we been saying over and over and over again on this forum? Stop using fox scent!

Perhaps the English/Welsh trail hunts will do this before they are made to. Those who don't will then obviously be hunting illegally.
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ycbm said:
The ban on trail hunting is only a ban on using animal based scent, according to that article.

What have we been saying over and over and over again on this forum? Stop using fox scent!

Perhaps the English/Welsh trail hunts will do this before they are made to. Those who don't will then obviously be hunting illegally.
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This would be a major step forward, and quite frankly should have been a part of the legalisation when hunting with hounds was banned.

Drag hunts have never used animal based scents and I can’t think I’ve ever heard of one drag hunt that have had hounds “accidentally” track a fox.

Sorry, but if a hunt is using an animal/ fox scent, then their intention is to fox hunt, without exception. You can not tell me that hunts don’t know that a dog doesn’t understand the difference between a fox scent that has been “laid” and a natural fox scent. Foxes are everywhere, the laid scent trail will at some point cross a natural fox scent and bingo - game on.
 
lizziebell said:
Drag hunts have never used animal based scents and I can’t think I’ve ever heard of one drag hunt that have had hounds “accidentally” track a fox.
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I've been out a few times and seen them pick up a fox scent and recall that the difference in excitement in their tone is noticeable. The difference between drag packs and fox packs, though, was that the hounds were always able to be recalled to the trail within a very short distance. It only happened at a check when the hounds were casting for a scent. Once on the scent, it was strong enough to hold them.
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ycbm said:
I've been out a few times and seen them pick up a fox scent and recall that the difference in excitement in their tone is noticeable. The difference between drag packs and fox packs, though, was that the hounds were always able to be recalled to the trail within a very short distance. It only happened at a check when the hounds were casting for a scent. Once on the scent, it was strong enough to hold them.
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That difference in recall is significant. I do scent work with my dogs - the target scents are Clove, Truffle and Gun oil. We also work with “distraction” scents. I’ve also done a little bit of mantrailing. There will always be scents to distract a dog, but I think the way you explained it is right - they know pretty quickly they’ve got onto the wrong scent and there is no reward to be gained, therefore easier to recall back onto the correct scent. Maybe I should have worded my post differently, in that they don’t ”accidentally” chase a fox across half the county and then rip it apart !
 
ycbm said:
The ban on trail hunting is only a ban on using animal based scent, according to that article.

What have we been saying over and over and over again on this forum? Stop using fox scent!

Perhaps the English/Welsh trail hunts will do this before they are made to. Those who don't will then obviously be hunting illegally.
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Yes, the article is a bit ambiguous in detailing how trail hunting could continue, and just stated using animal scent is proposed to be banned - without stating if alternatives can be used. From that i wasn’t totally sure whether alternative scents could be used.
I havent read the actual full bill proposal, so imagine that likely expands on this point.

Agreed, allowing fox scent to be used trail-hunting, after banning fox hunting with dogs was/is ridiculous.
 
A rhea was chased and took a few days to find and catch near me. Not sure if it was foxhounds or the beagles who are at he same kennels. I know the beagles have no control over theirs. A few weeks ago they were all over our paddocks chasing rabbits having entered from a large arable field they weren't supposed to be in. They were calling them from the road nearly half a mile away.
 
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